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If they're gonna do an Emperor's Children faction like the other Big God Legions they have plenty of room to explore other EXCESS types. Do glass cannon cultists whacked on hyper space meth that can hit the juice once a game but take mortal wounds afterwards. Hypnotic projected 3D artists who cause Fights Last and battleshock tests when they get close from the wild colors and shapes assaulting their enemies. Daemon engine walkers that have weaponized Walls of Sound. Get crazy with gluttony demons and stuff that gains a toughness bonus from being battleshocked because they love the overwhelming sensations. Noise Marines Havocs that can focus their weapons like fire prisms but lose effects once they start taking casualties because the band is losing members. I'm just brainstorming but I think there's lots of room to be creative here. Edit: I understand that this sounds like Power Armor Eldar but maybe we need a Power Armor Eldar faction filled out somewhere. They can be a glass cannon-ish force that rapidly loses power as they get hit back due to their lower numbers, but they're perfectionists so you're supposed to hit fast and hard where you need to anyway and have a little built in crunch from power armor. I like the idea of giving them a toughness bonus from being shocked because it doesn't negate the whole reason you want them shocked in the first place (objectives) but does emphasize that you only have a short window to do something about them before they're back up in your business getting nasty. Dr. Red Ranger fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Dec 18, 2023 |
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Lostconfused posted:I always thought that the 40K universe was supposed to be big and messy enough that anyone can end up fighting anyone for any reason. And a lot of factions have baked in reasons for it. Like Chaos will fight anyone because it's chaos, Eldar for their mysterious farseer reasons, anyone in the Empire just shouts heresy and starts blasting, and so on. There is also the more pedestrian reason you can give which is "training mission".
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Dr. Red Ranger posted:Daemon engine walkers that have weaponized Walls of Sound.    Let these things come back the size of a Khorne-dozer.
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Is Doom Rider still a thing? I always liked his obsession with speed being the thing that drew him to Slaneesh. Slaneesh should be a faction with a lot of flavour to it like that, especially if you want to avoid more torturefucking. Also I miss the guitars. The Doof Warrior was 8 years ago it's past time.
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Doom Rider got killed in a book a couple of years back. Can't remember the circumstances though.
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Cooked Auto posted:Doom Rider got killed in a book a couple of years back. Can't remember the circumstances though. Just looked it up, the White Scars cut his head off and it's still alive and they're keeping it with them on Chogoris
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30k Emperor's Children are very much power armored eldar. They live for the charge. They even have a unique one use reaction to let them counter charge. If they're not charging they're dying. To run them well you need to watch your positioning and invest in transports, jump packs, etc. to make sure you can control the engagement more than your opponent. They have a rite of war (optional army construction rules that change up how an army plays) that is purpose built to let you outflank pretty much anything you want when you want. Or you can go all in on proto-noise marines and surgical augments. And that's without getting into their new rules for when they're fully corrupted. That stuff hinges on running demon Fulgrim too much for it to be really viable. Their unique units are phoenix terminators, palatine blades, kakophoni, and the sunkillers. Phoenix terminators are in tartaros armor with unique EC power spears, funky weapon master abilities, and an inspiring aura. Palatine blades start with dueling sabres and can upgrade to EC rapiers or the same spears as the terminators. They have the same weapon master ability as the terminators so there's a bit of overlap there. However, there's a variant with jump packs and they're the perfect companions for a character like Eidolon. Kakophoni are proto-noise marines with the expected sonic weaponry. They're a powerful anti-infantry unit and are even fearless (immune to morale and pinning) which is very rare in 30k. Finally, sunkillers are a unit added in the exemplary battles series of pdfs and they're essentially the ultimate lascannon specialists. They hit on a 2+, can ignore cover, and if you're insane you can run 20 of them in a single squad (800 points). They can also designate a super heavy target at the start of the game and gain bonuses against it. They're wannabe titan killers and are a 0-1 choice so you can't just load up on three units of them. I'm not saying that a 40k refresh should be a carbon copy of this stuff. I'm pretty sure the palatine blades don't survive the heresy, for example, but there's still the perfect warrior angle to pursue there. I'd personally love to see some hosed up bikers following in Doomrider's footsteps.
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Nazzadan posted:Just looked it up, the White Scars cut his head off and it's still alive and they're keeping it with them on Chogoris That's fuckin metal.
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Nazzadan posted:Just looked it up, the White Scars cut his head off and it's still alive and they're keeping it with them on Chogoris Free him.
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I still don't think Chaos Terminators but WE and EC flavoured are necessary. Eightbound are basically WE flavoured Termies, lose the guns and the heavy armour but keep the beef and crank up the melee to max. I don't see why they can't do that for EC termies.
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Safety Factor posted:30k Emperor's Children are very much power armored eldar. They live for the charge. They even have a unique one use reaction to let them counter charge. If they're not charging they're dying. To run them well you need to watch your positioning and invest in transports, jump packs, etc. to make sure you can control the engagement more than your opponent. They have a rite of war (optional army construction rules that change up how an army plays) that is purpose built to let you outflank pretty much anything you want when you want. Or you can go all in on proto-noise marines and surgical augments. And that's without getting into their new rules for when they're fully corrupted. That stuff hinges on running demon Fulgrim too much for it to be really viable. I guess this niche is kind of already partially occupied by Eightbound but fast terminators with lots of fights first mid strength high-AP attacks that have spider eyes and doom siren mouths would still be pretty cool. Maybe they could also give them some hosed up sky hunter jetbikes with sonic weaponry since there aren’t really any of the old 30k era grav vehicles outside of Custodes and Chaos is probably the next most sensible place for them.
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Eej posted:I still don't think Chaos Terminators but WE and EC flavoured are necessary. Eightbound are basically WE flavoured Termies, lose the guns and the heavy armour but keep the beef and crank up the melee to max. I don't see why they can't do that for EC termies. I get what you're saying with regards to the Eightbound but the theoretical ECs would then need something that is basically Termies But Melee so you're still adding something, so at that point why not just add the Phoenix Guard. If we're throwing out alternatives, blade slaves like the Word Bearers have but more Palatine'y could work.
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Eej posted:I still don't think Chaos Terminators but WE and EC flavoured are necessary. Eightbound are basically WE flavoured Termies, lose the guns and the heavy armour but keep the beef and crank up the melee to max. I don't see why they can't do that for EC termies. terminators look cool
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Mercurius posted:Phoenix Terminators would be an interesting addition just because there aren’t any Tartaros units in 40k and the spears are unique enough to give them some identity of their own. This is Scarab Occult Terminator erasure Nazzadan posted:I get what you're saying with regards to the Eightbound but the theoretical ECs would then need something that is basically Termies But Melee so you're still adding something, so at that point why not just add the Phoenix Guard. If we're throwing out alternatives, blade slaves like the Word Bearers have but more Palatine'y could work. Terminators with weird hosed up arms that merge into a perfectly filigreed blade in one hand and a sonic gun in the other
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Safety Factor posted:Free him. Lucius should break in and steal his noggin.
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Eej posted:Terminators with weird hosed up arms that merge into a perfectly filigreed blade in one hand and a sonic gun in the other Hm, I mean ya sure this would be cool I'd take this
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EC bikers but on weird little messed up crotch rocket bikes where.you can't tell where the marine and or bike and or snake daemon steed begin or end. You know for sure the business end is the one with crab claws and a screaming face stretched over a doom siren though.
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Eej posted:I still don't think Chaos Terminators but WE and EC flavoured are necessary. Eightbound are basically WE flavoured Termies, lose the guns and the heavy armour but keep the beef and crank up the melee to max. I don't see why they can't do that for EC termies. Terminators are cool. That is the reason. People like them because they are cool and classic and the new sculpts have been good and all the chaos marines have them. It isn't a mystery
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Well yeah it wasn't so much about reasons for Custodes and Guard to fight because everyone in the setting is a violent blockhead. I was more idly wondering if the Custodes were a super secret squirrel thing, to make for a funny epilogue to a Kill Team game with a friend where Guard beat Custodes.
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Improbable Lobster posted:Terminators are cool. That is the reason. People like them because they are cool and classic and the new sculpts have been good and all the chaos marines have them. It isn't a mystery They sure are, that's why you can run Terminators in WE right now! In terms of gameplay though WE really need something that isn't just Infantry That Fights.
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SuperKlaus posted:Well yeah it wasn't so much about reasons for Custodes and Guard to fight because everyone in the setting is a violent blockhead. I was more idly wondering if the Custodes were a super secret squirrel thing, to make for a funny epilogue to a Kill Team game with a friend where Guard beat Custodes. Every kill team game ending with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tvAjX5ACPo&t=13s
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Slight update to the Iron Warriors tank: It still needs a lot of weathering, and the air clay I used to stick the Malcador treads to the Sturmtiger's sides treads needs to dry and that'll take 3 to 5 days per the box. I'll make some backflaps to cover up the areas where you can see the gap between the 2 separate tread sections. I feel the roof still needs something extra. Not sure if it should be debris, barbed wire, a marine corpse or whatever else. I'm really liking the sandbags per thread recommendation, that was a great idea and filled in some bad gaps in the front prerty nicely. I need to make some texture for mud which means I actually need to check what I've got in stock because I've simply forgotten. Maybe a spackle of some sort mixed with omnissiah knows what, or a golden/liquitex crackle medium with other junk added. I'm leaving the tiny little hatch on the back as is and my in lore justification is that the tank is piloted by high grade servitors who are bound to the interior. So basically it's just a repair drone entry port and humans or astartes would even consider piloting the vehicle themselves. The Demilich posted:My first and only Iron Warriors tank. I think I still need to do.... something to the front. Not sure what though. The Demilich fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Dec 19, 2023 |
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Eej posted:This is Scarab Occult Terminator erasure
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Nazzadan posted:Just looked it up, the White Scars cut his head off and it's still alive and they're keeping it with them on Chogoris Common White Scars W.
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The Demilich posted:Slight update to the Iron Warriors tank: Wow, what a monstrosity! It's awesome!  The tracks do a great job at blending the tank into a 40k look. I really like it, good job!
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Yeah that tank is looking gloriously brutal, well done dude.
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idk. a lot of these things people keep proposing as the core gimmick of EC are just things CSM already do. go-fast expensive specialized units that have to strike first to work, with abilities that slowly burn them out? i was literally playing that army yesterday.
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Its because 40k has 30+ playable armies and there are just not enough ways to be distinct. Do you want the elite melee, the elite melee or the elite melee faction? How about the shooting focused bad at melee faction or the shooting focused bad at melee faction? And if that's too tricky for you we have sixteen different varieties of space marine, including three different flavours of "Better than regular space marines".
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Abyone complaining about this unit or faction being to similar to another one should think about what they are saying
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I think World Eaters and Emperor's Children should get terminators because terminators are cool. Why mess with the classics, you know? Eightbound are ugly. Exalted eightbound are outright hideous. And why are they even two units? One just seems to do everything better for only a few more points.
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Safety Factor posted:I think World Eaters and Emperor's Children should get terminators because terminators are cool. Why mess with the classics, you know?  Eightbound should have been Red Butchers pumped full of warp juice and ten thousand years of hate Gravitas Shortfall fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Dec 19, 2023 |
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Chaosing up 30k special terminators would be better than the abominations (in a bad way) that are the eightbound. Basically all the red butcher minis would need is the correct logos and away they go. Give me sleek phoenix terminators twisted and hosed up but still very much the same vibe and I'll buy them all.
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AndyElusive posted:Lucius should break in and steal his noggin. Or Trazyn.
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JBP posted:Chaosing up 30k special terminators would be better than the abominations (in a bad way) that are the eightbound. I wonder if they have done that specifically to prevent people from using 40K stuff in 30k, like they removed the rules for Tartaros Sekhmet terminators.
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Safety Factor posted:Free him. Weren't the Red Corsairs en route to assault Chogoris as of the last book? I could see them freeing him as they rob a reliquarium, only for DOOMRIDER to corrupt the Corsair vanguard, steal some Scars bikes, and ride off into the warp coked to the gills.
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Yvonmukluk posted:I wonder if they have done that specifically to prevent people from using 40K stuff in 30k, like they removed the rules for Tartaros Sekhmet terminators. Possibly but I'm sure they could have done something similar to the butchers with big khorne logos and whatever. I was looking forward to Khorne brand terminators and when they showed the eightbound I was like lmao. Regular chaos terminators are awesome tho and they look good in red.
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Anyone got a size comparison between the new Terminators and the Eightbound?
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Anyone got a size comparison between the new Terminators and the Eightbound? https://www.goonhammer.com/new-world-eaters-miniatures-the-goonhammer-review/ This gives you an idea.
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Safety Factor posted:I think World Eaters and Emperor's Children should get terminators because terminators are cool. Why mess with the classics, you know? One's a Scout mover that is anti infantry with a reroll wounds aura and the other is anti everything with deep strike but more expensive in an army that is full of expensive poo poo?
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Anyone got a size comparison between the new Terminators and the Eightbound?  These aren't finished yet, don't look at them
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