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Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

👰Proč bychom se netěšili🥰když nám Pán Bůh🙌🏻zdraví dá💪?

Agents are GO! posted:

They should call Romney, I heard he has binders

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Agents are GO!
Dec 29, 2004


That was one of the best photoshop phridays, and the only one that I had some shops selected for the article!

Sarcastro
Dec 28, 2000
Elite member of the Grammar Nazi Squad that

Freudian slippers posted:

Yeah, it may have been after the time he met with Putin in absolute privacy (and confiscated the translator's notes afterwards).

Which, we shouldn't let anyone forget, was literally one of the first things he did upon taking office.

V-Men
Aug 15, 2001

Don't it make your dick bust concrete to be in the same room with two noble, selfless public servants.

Murgos posted:

Anyway, the reason why the binder was 10 inches thick is probably because some rear end in a top hat printed out the PowerPoint deck 1 enlarged slide per page because Trump is a Luddite who won’t touch computers and also probably is myopic but won’t wear glasses because he’s vain.

Oh yeah having each slide be its own page is pretty normal.

gregday
May 23, 2003

https://twitter.com/big_cases/status/1736849495722479728

Meadows lost his bid to move his case to federal court. It’ll stay in GA.

GhostofJohnMuir
Aug 14, 2014

anime is not good
engoron did not find bartov's testimony that the error in trump's statements were just a series of little woopsies very persausive

quote:


The New York trial judge overseeing Donald Trump’s civil fraud trial wrote a scathing denial of the former president’s latest attempt to toss the state attorney general’s case against him — potentially a preview of a tough outcome for Trump as the trial process winds down.

Judge Arthur Engoron slammed Trump’s accounting experts and rejected key points of the defense in an order Monday denying a motion for a directed verdict filed by Trump’s attorneys after trial testimony ended last week.

It would be a “glaring flaw” to assume testimony from Trump accounting experts Eli Bartov and Jason Flemmons are true and accurate, the judge wrote.


The case record proves there are many material misstatements on Trump’s personal financial statements, according to Engoron.

Bartov is a tenured professor, but all that his testimony proves is that for a million or so dollars, some experts will say whatever you want them to say,” Engoron wrote. “By doggedly attempting to justify every misstatement, Professor Bartov lost all credibility.”

Engoron added: “Defendants also trot out two of their standard canards, that valuations are subjective and that the law only penalizes ‘material’ deviations. These both fall into the category of ‘Let no one be fooled.’”

A valuation can be based on different criteria and analyzed different ways, the judge says, “But a lie is still a lie.”

The judge also knocked a defense argument frequently touted by Trump that disclaimers on his financial statements protect him from liability.

“They are not disclaimers at all, they are not defendants’ statements, and they certainly do not shield defendants from liability; if anything, they expose defendants to liability,” he wrote.

Engoron also said he found the Attorney General’s expert on disgorgement credible and said that the banks that lent Trump money were injured despite defense claims that the bank’s loved Trump’s business.

“If you pay a lower interest rate on a loan by overstating the value of any of your assets, thus lowering the perceived risk to the lender, your gains are ill-gotten,” Engoron said. “That the instant lenders made millions of dollars and were happy with the transactions does not mean that they were not damaged by lending at lower interest rates than they otherwise would have.”

engoron seems sick of this trial, and trump's argument in general

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



How much more trial is there in terms of the NY civil fraud one? Both in terms of processes and actual time.

beerinator
Feb 21, 2003

Xiahou Dun posted:

How much more trial is there in terms of the NY civil fraud one? Both in terms of processes and actual time.

Last I saw it was expected to be fully over half way through January 2024.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

The Islamic Shock posted:

I'm pretty surprised to find out Trump was rock-hard for declassifying Russian interference intel because in his own mind he's always right and he actually thought the truth would set him free for the first time ever

I mean that sounds like him but I didn't think he was that dumb in his narcissism

He released the "perfect " phone call that was the key piece of evidence in his first impeachment because of the same kind of thinking.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Charlz Guybon posted:

He released the "perfect " phone call that was the key piece of evidence in his first impeachment because of the same kind of thinking.

yeah, trumps issue is he thinks everything that he does is perfect and perfectly done, his brain can not comprehend that he either hosed up or did the wrong thing and thats honestly one of the thing thats hosed him the most and will gently caress him in the future. like he probably could have won if he admited and changed course on some covid times but like he was incapible of giving soft ball answers of "what would you say to a scared american people" and he just attacked the reporter for 10 mintues.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Most of the other motherfuckers know they're full of poo poo and have to hide things/dissemble/lie outright but Trump sincerely and honestly believes he is 100% in the right 100% of the time, and that nobody else could even do as well as him, let alone better. It leads to extremely funny moments.

Staluigi
Jun 22, 2021

Ms Adequate posted:

Most of the other motherfuckers know they're full of poo poo and have to hide things/dissemble/lie outright but Trump sincerely and honestly believes he is 100% in the right 100% of the time, and that nobody else could even do as well as him, let alone better.

You know, I don't actually believe this

Like I'm sure the answer is really complicated and like ten abnormal psych podcasts worth of crazy bonkers poo poo, but I am not convinced at all that he is unaware of when he lies and unaware of when he's hiding the truth of something because he's cheating or criming

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone



He absolutely becomes aware of fuckups, but that's when he gets furious and starts trying to blame other folks to repair his ego.

Tenkaris
Feb 10, 2006

I would really prefer if you would be quiet.
Yeah, who needs lies when you can just go hard into whataboutism and dodge the question entirely?

Lammasu
May 8, 2019

lawful Good Monster
Ironically, I think Ted Cruz gave the best description of Trump when he said he could say exactly opposite things on a lie detector test the same day and pass both of them.

Tenkaris
Feb 10, 2006

I would really prefer if you would be quiet.
Well yeah because it detects stress not lies

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Staluigi posted:

You know, I don't actually believe this

Like I'm sure the answer is really complicated and like ten abnormal psych podcasts worth of crazy bonkers poo poo, but I am not convinced at all that he is unaware of when he lies and unaware of when he's hiding the truth of something because he's cheating or criming

I mean, he's not always unaware of when he's cheating or criming, but he learned politics from Roy Cohn so his idea of what is cheating and what is "hardball" is Nixonially screwed, so of course he thinks the Ukraine call was perfect, because that's just politics. Add in being surrounded by criminals like Manafort and Stone who will happily reinforce the idea that this is all just normal politics and how the game is played, and I think there's a lot he sees as "crimes" in the same way that tax avoidance is a "crime", it's something that people give lip service to but only stupid people don't do it given half a chance

Sarcastro
Dec 28, 2000
Elite member of the Grammar Nazi Squad that

Staluigi posted:

You know, I don't actually believe this

Like I'm sure the answer is really complicated and like ten abnormal psych podcasts worth of crazy bonkers poo poo, but I am not convinced at all that he is unaware of when he lies and unaware of when he's hiding the truth of something because he's cheating or criming

I think there's two refinements we can add to the idea that address your concern:

1) He does firmly believe that if he says it enough, it becomes true (which is certainly true for his fevered acolytes);
2) He is adept at convincing himself to believe his own bullshit over time.

For instance, from the few statements and snippets we've heard from people in the inner circles after the 2020 election but before the lawsuits ramped up, I actually believe that he did indeed know that he'd lost. But as he kept repeating his nonsense for his masses and as the lawsuits got chugging along (and getting blown out every time), I also genuinely believe that he grew to believe his own lies.

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



He believes it because his hot air keeps the grift blimp aloft.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus
If everything warlock is built around eldritch blast then why is there a whole warlock subclass about using swords

e: wow this was definitely not the right thread for that post

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Professor Beetus posted:

If everything warlock is built around eldritch blast then why is there a whole warlock subclass about using swords

e: wow this was definitely not the right thread for that post

Tell me you’ve never read an Elric story without telling me you’ve never read Eldric.

Nervous
Jan 25, 2005

Why, hello, my little slice of pecan pie.

Professor Beetus posted:

If everything warlock is built around eldritch blast then why is there a whole warlock subclass about using swords

e: wow this was definitely not the right thread for that post

Not as good as that Steiner post in the USCE thread a month or two ago but still tremendous content.

No joke, I was trying to figure out why Trump had gone off about warlocks for a couple of seconds. It didn't seem impossible.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Staluigi posted:

You know, I don't actually believe this

Like I'm sure the answer is really complicated and like ten abnormal psych podcasts worth of crazy bonkers poo poo, but I am not convinced at all that he is unaware of when he lies and unaware of when he's hiding the truth of something because he's cheating or criming

His whole shtick is to bully you into accepting his bullshit even if (and particularly when) both of you know he's lying. It's about domination. The goal is to get you to back down and accept (or at least not challenge) his nonsense. That's how he wins.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus

Nervous posted:

Not as good as that Steiner post in the USCE thread a month or two ago but still tremendous content.

No joke, I was trying to figure out why Trump had gone off about warlocks for a couple of seconds. It didn't seem impossible.

my first wrong thread post in my 16 years of posting on SA. better than making a politics post in the bg3 thread, probably

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Professor Beetus posted:

If everything warlock is built around eldritch blast then why is there a whole warlock subclass about using swords

Look at this noob who doesn't think there are suboptimal builds

Staluigi
Jun 22, 2021

Professor Beetus posted:

If everything warlock is built around eldritch blast then why is there a whole warlock subclass about using swords

e: wow this was definitely not the right thread for that post

because they were desperately trying to add some flavor to the eldritch blast class and were willing to bend a few cardinal balance guidelines to keep its hybrid melee/cantrip ranged schtick SAD in a way which wouldn't just leave most hexblades just machine gunning eldritch blast 100% of the time as opposed to 90%. secretary of the interior just had a press conference on it this week with the heads of both houses of congress as part of the effort to get Celestial and Archfey subclasses included in budget reconciliation, i shouldn't need to be explaining this

deoju
Jul 11, 2004

All the pieces matter.
Nap Ghost

Sarcastro posted:

1) He does firmly believe that if he says it enough, it becomes true (which is certainly true for his fevered acolytes);
2) He is adept at convincing himself to believe his own bullshit over time.
Yup. Trump's dad and Trump himself were heavily influenced by Vincent Norman Peale's Power of Positive Thinking.

Tenkaris
Feb 10, 2006

I would really prefer if you would be quiet.

Professor Beetus posted:

If everything warlock is built around eldritch blast then why is there a whole warlock subclass about using swords

e: wow this was definitely not the right thread for that post

According to at least this one frustrated DM, the power gamer move is actually using a polearm on your warlock :haw:

https://youtube.com/shorts/hyTmdwaUdTs?si=w9ANpBWrHdtXGGDj

Nervous
Jan 25, 2005

Why, hello, my little slice of pecan pie.

Staluigi posted:

because they were desperately trying to add some flavor to the eldritch blast class and were willing to bend a few cardinal balance guidelines to keep its hybrid melee/cantrip ranged schtick SAD in a way which wouldn't just leave most hexblades just machine gunning eldritch blast 100% of the time as opposed to 90%. secretary of the interior just had a press conference on it this week with the heads of both houses of congress as part of the effort to get Celestial and Archfey subclasses included in budget reconciliation, i shouldn't need to be explaining this

How does the interior secretary plan to get past the Senate parliamentarian's ruling that only one subclass can be included in a reconciliation package?

Staluigi
Jun 22, 2021

Nervous posted:

How does the interior secretary plan to get past the Senate parliamentarian's ruling that only one subclass can be included in a reconciliation package?

giving clarence thomas a feat once every two class levels

Dalmuti
Apr 8, 2007
I'm a level 69 vice president

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Dalmuti posted:

I'm a level 69 vice president

lol, I can still easily defeat you as the US election is a free to play game, with in game paid purchases, so I just brought the most stupidly expensive game item that can just basically automatically defeat you.

lol get rectk fuckin newb!!!

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Staluigi posted:

giving clarence thomas a feat once every two class levels

From everything I’ve heard, Clarence Thomas is pretty much an IRL Pornomancer from Unknown Armies.

Lammasu
May 8, 2019

lawful Good Monster

Professor Beetus posted:

If everything warlock is built around eldritch blast then why is there a whole warlock subclass about using swords

e: wow this was definitely not the right thread for that post

I had a player that made a Warlock with no offensive spells. It was kind of annoying,

Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


I made The Dark Urge a warlock and mostly noncombat spells because you can cause an absurd amount of chaos with high charisma and mobility spells.

Also now would be a timely occasion to recommend reading modern philosophy Harry Frankfurt's essay 'On Bullshit', or at least browse the Wikipedia article.

Tldr: bullshit is different and more insidious than mere lies because the liar cares about the truth and can be refuted with facts. The bullshitter will say whatever is necessary because the words themselves are ephemeral and crafted to channel emotional responses.

Agents are GO!
Dec 29, 2004

Tenkaris posted:

According to at least this one frustrated DM, the power gamer move is actually using a polearm on your warlock :haw:

https://youtube.com/shorts/hyTmdwaUdTs?si=w9ANpBWrHdtXGGDj

Like "arming your warlock with a polearm" or "using a pole arm to injure the warlock who's bugging you"?

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

Sarcastro posted:

I think there's two refinements we can add to the idea that address your concern:

1) He does firmly believe that if he says it enough, it becomes true (which is certainly true for his fevered acolytes);
2) He is adept at convincing himself to believe his own bullshit over time.

For instance, from the few statements and snippets we've heard from people in the inner circles after the 2020 election but before the lawsuits ramped up, I actually believe that he did indeed know that he'd lost. But as he kept repeating his nonsense for his masses and as the lawsuits got chugging along (and getting blown out every time), I also genuinely believe that he grew to believe his own lies.

This, a thousand times, is the function of huge swathes of terrible people throughout politics. Alex Jones believes multiple contradictory lies and conspiracy theories; Musk routinely spouts bullshit that he will cling to for years. there is not the bright line between deliberate lying and sincere belief that naive commentators have tried to cultivate for so long. The human capacity for cognitive dissonance is infinite, and the forces that prop up people like Musk, or Jones, or Trump, or a million other bad faith interlocutors, select for people who reason from this position of impenetrability. The act of telling the lie includes a commitment, an ideological and identity-driven rationalization of the belief that allows the user, whether they're a trade group leader or a politician or a charlatan or a techbro, to choose to reason falsely. All three of those italicized words are significant in their own terms.

Staluigi
Jun 22, 2021

Discendo Vox posted:

people who reason from this position of impenetrability. The act of telling the lie includes a commitment, an ideological and identity-driven rationalization of the belief that allows the user, whether they're a trade group leader or a politician or a charlatan or a techbro

yeah but here you're clearly talking about Great Old One which is pretty mid, not understanding how this made it to the presidency

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

Staluigi posted:

yeah but here you're clearly talking about Great Old One which is pretty mid, not understanding how this made it to the presidency

If you're someone who already has power and privilege, this self-rationalization, this ability to sincerely believe false things, is a powerful driving force and defensive mechanism, especially if you're an idiot or rear end in a top hat- it makes you as psychologically immune to consequences for your abuse as you are physically immunized by the undue deference that your privilege, or the tolerance of civil society, will grant. It's an epistemology borne of solipsism, the beating heart of the process of bad faith: the ability to make the world bend around your views and, by the extension of your thoughts, render yourself immune to doubt or correction. To make the easy reference, some people will see as many lights as are convenient for them.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 09:16 on Dec 19, 2023

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Mercury_Storm
Jun 12, 2003

*chomp chomp chomp*
It's the mentality of a dictator and/or fascist, which we've seen time and time again throughout history, but I guess people are still surprised that it happened here.

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