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The thing that made me finally like the eight bound was building them without the torso armor. They have fully sculpted bare torsos that give them a much more brutal look.
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I even like the eightbound and I have no idea why they bothered making them two seperate units, lol. But i prefer one datasheet with multiple options than multiple datasheets with less options each
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Dec 19, 2023 14:52
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SuperKlaus posted:Well yeah it wasn't so much about reasons for Custodes and Guard to fight because everyone in the setting is a violent blockhead. I was more idly wondering if the Custodes were a super secret squirrel thing, to make for a funny epilogue to a Kill Team game with a friend where Guard beat Custodes. Custodes rule because they are who you see chilling with the Emperor on the stained glass when you go to church. In Necromunda the Cawdor fight with polearms in reverence of them!
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Dec 19, 2023 14:54
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smug jeebus posted:
That's pretty close to the point that if I actually played 40K I'd definitely do that conversion.
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Dec 19, 2023 14:55
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The real question is why the hell are exalted eightbound not squads of 8 instead of 3?
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Improbable Lobster posted:I even like the eightbound and I have no idea why they bothered making them two seperate units, lol. But i prefer one datasheet with multiple options than multiple datasheets with less options each You'd prefer only 3 units instead of 4-6 units?
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Dec 19, 2023 15:31
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Custodes are cool but a guy in robes with a spear and guy in robes with a spear and a jetbike is a bit thin for an army. That also puts them in the eldar in power armor category too.
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Lostconfused posted:Custodes are cool but a guy in robes with a spear and guy in robes with a spear and a jetbike is a bit thin for an army. That also puts them in the eldar in power armor category too. Both in lore and on the tabletop, Custodes are distinguished more by being hard to kill than exceptionally killy (although they still are that, because 45pt per troop model). That also makes thematic sense, what with them being bodyguards and janitors. It's not at all like squishy eldar.
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Dec 19, 2023 15:46
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Have them uncover some lost secret cache of definitely not terminator armor that the emperor himself crafted at the molecular level to make your arms long enough to box with god or something. Hang on going to look at the store to make sure this doesn’t exist already Edit: well, never mind then.
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Dec 19, 2023 15:48
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Eej posted:You'd prefer only 3 units instead of 4-6 units? I'd prefer stuff like Exalted Eightbound be an upgrade on the Eightbound datasheet rather than an entirely different unit. Another example is that I prefered when the space marine predator had the lascannons as an optional upgrade rather than having two datasheets where the only difference is one gun. Ultimately I think it's just personal preference. Also World Eaters should have gotten more of the regular chaos space marine toys Improbable Lobster fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Dec 19, 2023 |
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Dec 19, 2023 16:14
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they also got bespoke special rules that define what you're supposed to be using them for
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Improbable Lobster posted:Also World Eaters should have gotten more of the regular space marine toys they can't even have bikes  
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:they can't even have bikes Bikes seem like they're on the way out for chaos in general, though I guess they could become an Emperor's Children thing if they get refreshed - those minis are like 2nd edition, right? I figured World Eaters are going to get skullcrushers since they've got Juggernaut characters.
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Bikes are the most common rumor I see get thrown around as the new model refresh that will come with the 10th CSM codex. Just a rumor obviously, but I haven't even heard another unit thrown in as a possibility everyones just going "bikes bikes bikes"
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I haven't read a single 40K Black Library book involving the World Eaters, but the idea of a group of them being able to maintain Heresy old combat bikes without surfs or a gaggle of Dark Mechanicus gearheads working on them all the time seems doubtful. Now that I think about it more, it's kind of a rad idea.
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bikes bikes bikes bikes bikes bikes bikes bikes
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AndyElusive posted:I haven't read a single 40K Black Library book involving the World Eaters, but the idea of a group of them being able to maintain Heresy old combat bikes without surfs or a gaggle of Dark Mechanicus gearheads working on them all the time seems doubtful. Now that I think about it more, it's kind of a rad idea. In (I think) Red Angel, whats left of Lotarra gives a WE champion crap for trying to take over the Conqueror with out thinking through anything; asking him if he even knows when the last time the ship took on fuel, or from who.
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AndyElusive posted:it's kind of a rad idea. Ths is all the justification World Eater bikes need. Also I want to read a story about a World Eater Predator tank commander who wires his nails into the feedback systems of the tank and becomes a living demon engine 
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Ths is all the justification World Eater bikes need. Yeah "Rad as hell" should be the justification for more models.
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Improbable Lobster posted:I'd prefer stuff like Exalted Eightbound be an upgrade on the Eightbound datasheet rather than an entirely different unit. I don't get why you want to give WE less datasheets and remove special rules?
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After yesterday I can safely say that tech Marines are absolute loving bullshit and need to be changed because of 1 singular enhancement. drat that hurt.
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Eej posted:I don't get why you want to give WE less datasheets and remove special rules? I don't. I was just expressing a preference for some of the design conventions of older editions of the game Sorry I guess?
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Yeah I just don't get that pov because having one sheet with upgrades that do totally different things means you're kneecapped with the rule of 3. Maybe you want 2 cheaper anti infantry boys and 2 more expensive anti everything guys? Maybe you don't need 2 guys with non stacking wound reroll auras but want to max out on 3 units of Exalted (some comp lists do this)?
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Eej posted:Yeah I just don't get that pov because having one sheet with upgrades that do totally different things means you're kneecapped with the rule of 3. Maybe you want 2 cheaper anti infantry boys and 2 more expensive anti everything guys? Maybe you don't need 2 guys with non stacking wound reroll auras but want to max out on 3 units of Exalted (some comp lists do this)? Okay
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The Deleter posted:Its because 40k has 30+ playable armies and there are just not enough ways to be distinct. Do you want the elite melee, the elite melee or the elite melee faction? How about the shooting focused bad at melee faction or the shooting focused bad at melee faction? And if that's too tricky for you we have sixteen different varieties of space marine, including three different flavours of "Better than regular space marines". Comparing with previous editions, I think this is why they are going with (or went with) more army based rules. You can have that basic spectrum but you got an army with free rerolls, extra dice, respawns, +1 to hit/wounds on specific targets or the whole army for a turn. But like I said before, this is why I think they should eliminate or consolidate some of the factions. Frees up some room for other armies to stand out that aren't just regular space marines. Also if I'm out to lunch on this I've only gotten back into the game in the past few months.
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dear james workshop there are too many armies nowadays. please eliminate three. i am not a crackpot.
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Clearly the answer is more armies and even less balance testing.
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The answer is to cut out more Xenos
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Eej posted:The answer is to cut out more Xenos Isn't that 30K?
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Cease to Hope posted:dear james workshop How will people cope without assault space marines, assault space marines and assault space marines?!
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Bikes are cool, they're how you get space knights. Plus Chaos poo poo Just Works because it's following its own laws. Safety Factor posted:30k Emperor's Children are very much power armored eldar. They live for the charge. They even have a unique one use reaction to let them counter charge. If they're not charging they're dying. To run them well you need to watch your positioning and invest in transports, jump packs, etc. to make sure you can control the engagement more than your opponent. Giving them a conditional always strikes first only on their charge would go a long way towards approximating their 30k feel, IMO. But that might not be what you actually want. In 30k they're all about obsessive perfection, which translates great into mechanics - the units are specialized enough to reward good planning and clever play, and punish blundering around reacting to whatever. But 40k EC are currently in a weird place, thematically. They're sex and drugs and rock-'n'-roll. The perfection is gone, along with the obsession and temptation themes. They're artless, and they shouldn't be. I think that's what's kept them from getting out into a codex: it's really easy to do them wrong. AoS has some great vibes with the Hedonists, and that's a good place to draw from, but it's a distinctly AoS aesthetic. I'd guess that the new Heretic Astartes list is a preview of where they're headed, and that's probably okay.
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I didn't play in 9th that's just when I started collecting/painting and never got game ready, but isn't all the strikes first stuff very in line with what you got if you built your CSMs as EC in 9th with all the mandatory Slaanesh marks and with Lucius in the army?
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There was a kinda thing where if you had the Mark of Slaanesh and started in engagement range you'd fight first. I just had another look at the 9e Chaos Marines book and there's probably more but I can't figure it out from this mess. E: p76 states more or less that Emperor's Children get Noise Marines as troops and that's basically it. You might be conflating 9e and 10th, where 10th has a bunch of "if Lucius is your warlord ..." rules E2: in 9th The MoS lets you fight first regardless of who charged whom. In 30k, charging increases EC's initiative by 1 so they're going to fight first in most cases. (30k resolves melee combat in initiative order.) The difference is that it was always on in 9th, vs being an earned reward in 30k. moths fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Dec 20, 2023 |
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AndyElusive posted:I haven't read a single 40K Black Library book involving the World Eaters, but the idea of a group of them being able to maintain Heresy old combat bikes without surfs or a gaggle of Dark Mechanicus gearheads working on them all the time seems doubtful. Now that I think about it more, it's kind of a rad idea. World Eaters are canonically armed and maintained by the gifts of Khorne. Who needs armoury serfs when your god repairs your armour after a good fight?
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Cease to Hope posted:dear james workshop Custodes, Knights, Chaos Knights. Done.
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Improbable Lobster posted:World Eaters are canonically armed and maintained by the gifts of Khorne. Who needs armoury serfs when your god repairs your armour after a good fight? Would Khorne even consider the bike part of their armor though? He'd just give you a Juggernaut to ride into hell, or your bike would just start turning into one. I mean, that's probably the reason why WE don't have bikes. They grew legs and ran away.
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Why are Deathwatch and Grey Knights under Space Marines anyway? Aren't they both special Inquisition death squads for xenos and psycher/warp stuff respectively?
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Deathwatch are under Space Marines because they are literally space marines who are seconded to the Ordo Xenos for variable lengths of time. Grey Knights are not under Space Marines they have their own codex.
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WE don't need bikes, they need jakhals riding flesh hounds
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not even shitposting. less "what if an old CSM unit, but khorne" and more "what new stuff can we do with the WE aesthetic?" please give WE more dudes who are half chainsaw, a khorne coven who cleans the skulls, a shooting unit that flenses and flays, penitents who fight harder on death than they do normally anything but "CSM guy with chainaxes", please
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