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BillsPhoenix posted:I think most posters here know this, but I'm not predicting a future US military build up in that area.
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cat botherer posted:I think Americans are actually very used to struggling and losing limited hot wars. No? The Iraq invasions were limited hot wars and the US rocked face there, if only because the enemy was weakened by duking it out with Iran for 8 years prior in a much hotter war. Afghanistan was knocked over in a month or so. The occupation is where the US falls on its rear end. That's actually part of the problem, Americans think every war is gonna be like the Gulf or March-April 2003 where we just poo poo on everything with planes and win (on paper).
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DancingShade posted:US F-35 Loses ‘Stealth Panel’ Flying Over The Pacific; Second Incident Reported From Kadena Air Base Stealth tech working as intended
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skooma512 posted:No?
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cat botherer posted:OK, but have you considered that America is an r-worded demon country? It seems like you haven't? Arrogance and divine right. Almost no Americans think they lost Afghanistan or Iraq 1, and very few think Iraq 2 was a loss - at most some liberals think it was a missuse of funds and lives for oil.
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skooma512 posted:Afghanistan was knocked over in a month or so. the taliban never lost, never stopped fighting, and won the war.
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might as well say the nazis won ww2 because you arbitrarily drew a line after the battle of france and called the rest of it something else
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The Oldest Man posted:might as well say the nazis won ww2 because you arbitrarily drew a line after the battle of france and called the rest of it something else the nazis did win ww2 because the us still exists
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cat botherer posted:America is an r-worded demon country.
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The Oldest Man posted:the taliban never lost, never stopped fighting, and won the war. I know, but popular perception of Afghanistan was that the US invaded, defeated the nominal military of the country, and that's that the hot war bit done. The reality of course was more complex.
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The Oldest Man posted:the taliban never lost, never stopped fighting, and won the war. Until the US abetted the Northern Alliance murdering a bunch of them in shipping containers, and until they were denied any place at the Jirga or other councils that traditionally end a war among the Afghans, they were willing to lay down their arms.
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Frosted Flake posted:Until the US abetted the Northern Alliance murdering a bunch of them in shipping containers, and until they were denied any place at the Jirga or other councils that traditionally end a war among the Afghans, they were willing to lay down their arms. "we won't accept your surrender" and then getting owned is, indeed, a very funny way to lose a war. skooma512 posted:I know, but popular perception of Afghanistan was that the US invaded, defeated the nominal military of the country, and that's that the hot war bit done. The reality of course was
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what's the over/under on the houthis sinking at least one destroyer https://twitter.com/IranObserver0/status/1736810715866935372 https://twitter.com/NavyStrang/status/1737123337644675231
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zetamind2000 posted:what's the over/under on the houthis sinking at least one destroyer I don't actually think the Houthis need to actually win a single tactical engagement here. Just forcing the ships to deploy and the aircraft to fly is going to attrit the USN and probably at an unsustainable level; just a question of whether they can bomb the Yemenis into submission before planes start crashing and ships start ramming each other. And as long as the fight continues commerce is going to continue to be totally hosed which is victory for the Houthis. Buuut if there's one thing we know the Yemenis are weak to it's an air-only campaign using US supplied aircraft and weapons so I'm sure they'll be giving up in loving no time
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oh boy i cant wait for some cod blops takes on the gulf war are we going to get to see iraqis ripping kuwaiti babies out of incubators? i bet we areee
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The Oldest Man posted:oh boy i cant wait for some cod blops takes on the gulf war I want them to make Wag The Dog The Game The Dog
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The Oldest Man posted:I don't actually think the Houthis need to actually win a single tactical engagement here. Just forcing the ships to deploy and the aircraft to fly is going to attrit the USN and probably at an unsustainable level; just a question of whether they can bomb the Yemenis into submission before planes start crashing and ships start ramming each other. And as long as the fight continues commerce is going to continue to be totally hosed which is victory for the Houthis. shutting down the port of eilat and denying the egyptians canal transit fares alone is a great deal of pressure
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It feels like 10 or more years ago the US would've responded to Ansarallah much faster. At least some cruise missiles or bombing for publicity. If it's a slower response presumably it's either America being too thinly stretched or they are concerned about Yemeni capability. Whatever happens the US excels at reframing defeat as victory so losing another war they have to do mental gymnastics for domestic consumption won't necessarily be new. I think it's likely the US would pull out before losing ships, but if they did gently caress up to the point of actually losing a couple expensive ships and have hundreds of sailors die that could be harder to spin.
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FuzzySlippers posted:It feels like 10 or more years ago the US would've responded to Ansarallah much faster. At least some cruise missiles or bombing for publicity. If it's a slower response presumably it's either America being too thinly stretched or they are concerned about Yemeni capability. ansar allah shot down f-15s during the conflict, the us could fling some cruise missiles but any air campaign would need long planning and concentrated force such that the buildup would be obvious for months hamas and hezbollah lack integrated air defense networks, ansar allah does not
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from the replies to that ship tracker tweet https://twitter.com/hq_storage/status/1737136935280529590  This... This the typea brain we're destroying the world for?
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atelier morgan posted:ansar allah shot down f-15s during the conflict, the us could fling some cruise missiles but any air campaign would need long planning and concentrated force such that the buildup would be obvious for months Ansar has proper IADS and SAMs? I'm not sure if I'm more surprised that they have it, or that Hezbollah does not.
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skooma512 posted:Ansar has proper IADS and SAMs? You can in fact see them in that tweet about operation whatever the gently caress Money Shield Good if I'm not mistaken
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atelier morgan posted:ansar allah shot down f-15s during the conflict, the us could fling some cruise missiles but any air campaign would need long planning and concentrated force such that the buildup would be obvious for months Didn't know their air defenses were that good. Though in the past the US has generally been cavalier about firing off some cruise missiles to "send a message". Even if they don't hit anything important they can still look muscular on cable news. I wonder if the reluctance here is material (they don't have the missiles to waste) or diplomatic (hoping to find a solution that doesn't antagonize them or others in the region further).
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FuzzySlippers posted:Didn't know their air defenses were that good. Though in the past the US has generally been cavalier about firing off some cruise missiles to "send a message". Even if they don't hit anything important they can still look muscular on cable news. I wonder if the reluctance here is material (they don't have the missiles to waste) or diplomatic (hoping to find a solution that doesn't antagonize them or others in the region further). The US is probably worried about Yemen firing off its own rockets in order to "send a message" themselves and taking out a Saudi oil well.
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skooma512 posted:Ansar has proper IADS and SAMs? hezbollah did not have the capability for diplomatic/internal political reasons and is doing what it can to fix that given the ongoing
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code:quote:The US is concerned about the cost of missiles used against Houthi drones, according to Politico, as the country is trillions of dollars in debt
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uber_stoat posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aviation_shootdowns_and_accidents_during_the_Saudi_Arabian%E2%80%93led_intervention_in_Yemen Wing Loong II UAV MALE
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gradenko_2000 posted:
someone who is good at economy please help my moribund empire is dying
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According to Marine Traffic there's plenty of cargo ships transiting the Suez. Some may have dived south or diverted west, but I'm curious what filters are on that map. If it's just Israel bound cargo ships headed away, well, tough luck lol.
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I'm really glad to hear America has decided to guard prosperity. It's great they're doing something nice for a change
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