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Zamujasa posted:arguing that we should not archive / index things that exist on the internet is an insane take for complete loving imbeciles and you are not "devils advocating" by suggesting it, you are being a loving moron as a more primary post going "we should index and archive *everything*" is on its face moronic. unless you're a recluse most of your communication is things you would not want indexed and archived, and the internet is for most people a primary mode of expression. e2e encryption is an obvious default speaking to people known and close to you, and it should extend to a lot of community, in the interest of "community" being a thing that exists.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:as a more primary post going "we should index and archive *everything*" is on its face moronic. people are talking about publications and not personal email, and until this post I thought it was obvious to all concerned
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i think CV might also be referring to it in the context of something like forum posts, or possibly chat logs, but idk. like, someone not being cognizant that their posts on a random phpbb forum from 20 years ago will be trivially discoverable and readable to the public we all know that our words and deeds are archived in the library of congress, but maybe there are people who thought their furaffinity posts were private or something infernal machines fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Dec 21, 2023 |
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Subjunctive posted:people are talking about publications and not personal email, and until this post I thought it was obvious to all concerned the very original op was about discord not being indexed being bad though. like, there's some sliding scale here, some things that are now put on discord should not be exclusively on discord, but discord not being indexed is i would say *obviously* not a problem. in that discord being indexed as a matter of course would be kind of horrific. the real devils advocate is celebrating llm's poisoning google. which is more stirring the pot than anything. fair. that said i am not sure the internet will be worse for it over time, but i do realize that is a deeply fringe opinion with no arguments to support it.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:the very original op was about discord not being indexed being bad though. no, I believe it was about using discord as a publication mechanism being bad because discord is not indexed. nobody proposed indexing discord, they indicated that they thought things should be published somewhere else that was indexed. discord not being indexed by default is fine, it just makes it a bad repository for knowledge as opposed to conversation
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Subjunctive posted:no, I believe it was about using discord as a publication mechanism being bad because discord is not indexed. nobody proposed indexing discord, they indicated that they thought things should be published somewhere else that was indexed. discord not being indexed by default is fine, it just makes it a bad repository for knowledge as opposed to conversation just a demand people chat where it can be indexed, i see, thanks for the clarification of this important distinction
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:just a demand people chat where it can be indexed, i see, thanks for the clarification of this important distinction are you being deliberately obtuse, or do you not know what "published" means and how it's different from "chatting"
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Jabor posted:are you being deliberately obtuse, or do you not know what "published" means and how it's different from "chatting" do you imagine the people posting things to discord are confused about what they are doing?
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:do you imagine the people posting things to discord are confused about what they are doing? yes, constantly
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Shame Boy posted:yes, constantly ok, fair, the bar was set a touch too low in what i wanted to express there
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Subjunctive posted:no, I believe it was about using discord as a publication mechanism being bad because discord is not indexed. nobody proposed indexing discord, they indicated that they thought things should be published somewhere else that was indexed. discord not being indexed by default is fine, it just makes it a bad repository for knowledge as opposed to conversation just like conversing in what's ended up as a repository has turned out to be a pretty bad idea for some people, in retrospect
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:do you imagine the people posting things to discord are confused about what they are doing? Not really. But people posting stuff that you would expect to publish (such as solutions to technical problems and documentation) in Discord, a chat system, is what got us here. That stuff needs to be published somewhere visible and indexable, like wikis, or forums, or so on. Often, it is not. Performing this publication is what people above you in the thread have been advocating.
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for a long time, having support information on a forum was the worst possible way to provide support that still counted as providing support but then along came discord...
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:just a demand people chat where it can be indexed, i see, thanks for the clarification of this important distinction nobody is arguing this on another note i read the terrapin paper today and it concludes that ssh should be rewritten from the ground up
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from what I understand, my preference to use public key authentication has largely protected me from the terrapin issue although I’m open to the idea of being wrong
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Half of the replies that I saw on the netgear forums, particularly for their enterprise vpn endpoint and packet inspection gateways, were from just one guy who said “I have the answer right here, click on this link to go to my website” and, to be fair, it had the answer but it also shows how batshit stupid it is to just let community forums answer common questions instead of the manufacturers provide support on their own dime. Because a few years later, the guy put his answers behind a paywall (I think). So every answered question was now a source of revenue. I dunno why I still buy netgear. I have this nighthawk I have to reboot a couple times a week because it loses connection to a wifi extender. But I would rather have netgear than belkin, and ubiquiti is undergoing some weird poo poo right now.
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At the risk of sounding very dense, I have something to ask. What does SV mean in its usage in the last page?
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sb hermit posted:and ubiquiti is undergoing some weird poo poo right now. what's this, i have unifi stuff at home and will need new hardware shortly.
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sb hermit posted:At the risk of sounding very dense, I have something to ask. What does SV mean in its usage in the last page? silicon valley
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more like silly-con valley!!
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Midjack posted:silicon valley oh right. thank you Shame Boy posted:more like silly-con valley!! 
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Midjack posted:what's this, i have unifi stuff at home and will need new hardware shortly. five days ago, unifi cloud presented other peoples’ accounts when you went to access your stuff https://www.theregister.com/2023/12/15/ubiquiti_camera_privacy/ this would not be an issue for me (no one does cloud security better than google, or maybe apple, and my risk assessments are scored with that in mind) because I don’t let certain classes of critical things connect to the cloud. I get the impression that ubiquiti is trying to get all their devices to use their cloud tools instead of just allowing site admins to handle things themselves: https://community.ui.com/questions/...92-3985787bbddc yes, a lot of this seems very chicken little and overreacting but I can start seeing a skynet-like scenario where a malicious actor could really do a number on my company or home network due to technocrat hubris and SV “break fast and send thoughts and prayers if we break too much” mentality.
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everything that I have read about the issue tells me that there is a fundamental architectural issue with their poo poo and they aren’t going to bother fixing it beyond papering over things they probably don’t even understand how their poo poo works if you have a building with a crumbling foundation due to earthquakes, you have to tear down the building. You can’t just add brackets to prevent bookshelves from falling on toddlers. Those brackets aren’t going to prevent the building from falling over.
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i use ubiquiti but without their cloud stuff and it's just been absolutely 100% stable. never had any issues. i hope they'll never make that cloud stuff mandatory because i'd have to find and buy a whole new network setup
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spankmeister posted:i use ubiquiti but without their cloud stuff and it's just been absolutely 100% stable. never had any issues. I 100% agree with all of this
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I will absolutely never let a web service manage my network hardware. The idea of having critical infrastructure handling confidential data accessible directly by the vendor is horrific.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:the very original op was about discord not being indexed being bad though. like, there's some sliding scale here, some things that are now put on discord should not be exclusively on discord, but discord not being indexed is i would say *obviously* not a problem. in that discord being indexed as a matter of course would be kind of horrific. Once Discord runs out of VC money, which despite their best attempts to flog the paid service is what actually pays for everything, they'll attempt to get themselves sold to FAANG, and all that delicious data will be gobbled up by whoever ends up putting the most money into the most run-of-the-mill techbros you can imagine. Captain Foo posted:nobody is arguing this Doesn't matter to them that the OpenSSH folks don't actually make money. sb hermit posted:I dunno why I still buy netgear. I have this nighthawk I have to reboot a couple times a week because it loses connection to a wifi extender. But I would rather have netgear than belkin, and ubiquiti is undergoing some weird poo poo right now.
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today, in all security vendors are trash: i've just learned that one of the major phish simulation platforms don't actually host their externally linked company logos (microsoft/zoom/etc) used in the phish emails. they're hotlinked from wikipedia 
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:as soon as they said "we will not import existing groups from symphony to teams" every said "that's ridiculous" and that's before they saw how bad teams is at video calls by comparison to even webex sb hermit posted:I dunno why I still buy netgear. I have this nighthawk I have to reboot a couple times a week because it loses connection to a wifi extender. But I would rather have netgear than belkin, and ubiquiti is undergoing some weird poo poo right now. spankmeister posted:i use ubiquiti but without their cloud stuff and it's just been absolutely 100% stable. never had any issues. evil_bunnY fucked around with this message at 11:10 on Dec 21, 2023 |
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:just a demand people chat where it can be indexed "people chat" is already being indexed, scraped, used and abused, but it's only accessible by discord/skype/teams/etc moderation teams, sysadmins, advertising giants, and elon the sooner people realize centralized social media isn't a private environment, the better e;fb
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spankmeister posted:i use ubiquiti but without their cloud stuff and it's just been absolutely 100% stable. never had any issues. i moved from a single cisco for $3000 to a bunch of ubiquity gear for way way less at work recently and it works, though having to enter poo poo into a web interface instead of being able to copy+paste it through ssh is annoying when inputting a ton of poo poo. i had to make a curl script for it lmao i even have auto-updates enabled and haven't had any issues, but yeah, i generally avoid cloud poo poo for on-prem stuff like the plague
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spankmeister posted:i use ubiquiti but without their cloud stuff and it's just been absolutely 100% stable. never had any issues. signed
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Truga posted:i moved from a single cisco for $3000 to a bunch of ubiquity gear for way way less at work recently and it works, though having to enter poo poo into a web interface instead of being able to copy+paste it through ssh is annoying when inputting a ton of poo poo. i had to make a curl script for it lmao you can manage the unifi gear via ssh, you just have to manually build and push your own config files. i don't know that you'd want to do that, or why you'd want to do that, but it is possible. Midjack posted:signed they're already building their products in such a way that you're guided repeatedly to set up cloud credentials for everything and local-only options are hidden. it's still possible to do local accounts, but they're doing their best to become meraki infernal machines fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Dec 21, 2023 |
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Truga posted:i moved from a single cisco for $3000 to a bunch of ubiquity gear for way way less at work recently and it works, though having to enter poo poo into a web interface instead of being able to copy+paste it through ssh is annoying when inputting a ton of poo poo. i had to make a curl script for it lmao if it's a pile of AP's, you can skip the set inform stuff with DHCP option 43. also, ubiquiti's edgeos is a fork of vyatta. would be interesting to see how far it's diverged from vyatta and vyos.
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infernal machines posted:you can manage the unifi gear via ssh, you just have to manually build and push your own config files. i don't know that you'd want to do that, or why you'd want to do that, but it is possible.
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so if not Ubiquiti/Unifi, what’s the hotness for in-wall APs and PoE switches and stuff?
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