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Please do not doxx me like that.
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man after man
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# ? Dec 21, 2023 20:23 |
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Hatebag posted:les budgets terribles?! in the mid 90s the project finally bore fruit, creating a new perfect soldier for a new age of war. they were grifting snake, lowest bidder snake and vaporware snake
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Commerce Department Announces Industrial Base Survey of American Semiconductor Supply Chainwww.commerce.gov posted:FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
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# ? Dec 21, 2023 20:27 |
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Also I dunno what we're talking about here with the Bradley being "retired from active service." BAE just started delivering rebuilt M2 and M3A4s in the last couple years and there are still a couple thousand in service. They keep trying to replace them with other poo poo but the other poo poo ends up being worse and getting cancelled (hello GCV program). Now they're doing this poo poo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM30_Mechanized_Infantry_Combat_Vehicle optionally manned fighting vehicle lomarf "optionally manned" is the biggest loving grift yet
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# ? Dec 21, 2023 20:28 |
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Kojima can't come up with weapon projects as imaginative as the F35 and LCS.
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Cerebral Bore posted:in the mid 90s the project finally bore fruit, creating a new perfect soldier for a new age of war. they were grifting snake, lowest bidder snake and vaporware snake super boondoggle method!?
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# ? Dec 21, 2023 20:33 |
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Why is every branch so reticent to move to unmanned stuff? Like drones, robots, etc.? It seems like trying to make it so that it could either have a crew or be empty will get you the worst of both worlds and please don’t just say grift
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poisonpill posted:Why is every branch so reticent to move to unmanned stuff? Like drones, robots, etc.? It seems like trying to make it so that it could either have a crew or be empty will get you the worst of both worlds and please don’t just say grift latency is still an unsolved problem
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poisonpill posted:Why is every branch so reticent to move to unmanned stuff? Like drones, robots, etc.? It seems like trying to make it so that it could either have a crew or be empty will get you the worst of both worlds and please don’t just say grift the worst of both worlds in terms of cost and combat performance but the BEST of both worlds in terms of profitability and maintaining the status quo of Western military doctrine and force composition which pleases entrenched politicians and military leaders' sensibilities
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# ? Dec 21, 2023 20:40 |
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Just imagine a room full of mid-level officers, procurement officials, and analysts looking at the Ukraine war and going "looks like drones are the future" then the most senior guy in the room who is probably (depending on branch) an ex-armor, surface warfare, naval aviator, or tactical fighter pilot speaks up: "alright flunkies, pull up the brief for the next IFV/tank/fighter jet/bomber/warship procurement program. scroll to the bottom. insert the following: 'also it's a drone.'" and then everyone nods and goes "great plan sir, very innovative." and if there's already a guy in the room from lockheed or bae or whatever at this point they've popped a full chub under the conference table
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# ? Dec 21, 2023 20:45 |
mawarannahr posted:Commerce Department Announces Industrial Base Survey of American Semiconductor Supply Chain it's fun watching the government stirring like a drunken sleeping giant, hangover head pounding, slowly realizing just how hosed it is.
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# ? Dec 21, 2023 20:46 |
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"Son, you're going to be a super soldier after we inject you with the genes of America's greatest soldier, Michael Flynn."
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# ? Dec 21, 2023 20:51 |
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Hatebag posted:super boondoggle method!? a revolutionary new nuclear weapons launch platform. when deployed it can fire an atomic warhead from any terrain at any target in the world within a mere 240 hours as long as it isn't raining anywhere in its flight path and as long as the maintenance crew remembered to oil all 2468 proprietary actuators with a special blend of lubricants, rosewater and lemur piss my god... colonel, how long do we have to stop them? time is running out. we expect them to have a 1:50 scale mock-up ready as early as 2035 2035?!?
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poisonpill posted:Why is every branch so reticent to move to unmanned stuff? Like drones, robots, etc.? It seems like trying to make it so that it could either have a crew or be empty will get you the worst of both worlds and please don’t just say grift I don’t think they are, there seems to be a huge amount of unmanned stuff already deployed and probably a bunch in development that we don’t know about yet. It just hasn’t started showing up in action movies much yet so it isn’t in the public consciousness for the most part.
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stephenthinkpad posted:Kojima can't come up with weapon projects as imaginative as the F35 and LCS. kojima's flaw was thinking the people building weapons actually wanted to make something other than money
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Cerebral Bore posted:a revolutionary new nuclear weapons launch platform. when deployed it can fire an atomic warhead from any terrain at any target in the world within a mere 240 hours as long as it isn't raining anywhere in its flight path and as long as the maintenance crew remembered to oil all 2468 proprietary actuators with a special blend of lubricants, rosewater and lemur piss the dramatic conclusion: a shirtless fistfight on top of a bunch of usb drives containing powerpoint presentations about metal gear
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You can read the writing on the wall with these programs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborative_combat_aircraft Western military leaders and industry look at drones and they basically think of a current-gen manned combat aircraft but with a couple benefits: 1) maybe itll be cheaper because we won't have to put a cockpit and all its associated gear on the plane? 2) we wont have to care if it gets shot down because no pilot, thatll be popular with politicians i bet? 3) maybe it can do some sick macross zero poo poo because we dont have to worry about human g-tolerance anymore??? Just take a step back and think about that. You're starting from the design assumptions of a current-gen manned combat aircraft - that it's going to be carry 500lb+ bombs, that it's going to be able to fight 1:1 with a manned tactical fighter, that you're going to have a fleet of them measured in hundreds or mayyybe thousands. You're ultimately talking about a system that you expect to procure as if it was a tactical combat aircraft. Then look at like a Shahed-136 or -238. There's a reason the US hasn't procured something like that: doctrinally, it's a threat to all the power players in the MIC. Suddenly you're talking about an intermediate-range strategic strike weapon that doesn't need hugely expensive cutting edge stealth technology that can only be fabricated by the lockmart and grumman keebler elves or the pratt & whitney and GE supercruise whisperers, that doesn't need aerial refueling, that doesn't need aircraft carriers, hell you're calling into question whether you even need expensive and highly trained (and prestigious) pilots to deliver air strikes at all. It's generally just a true observation that doctrinal concepts that threaten the prestige of the entrenched military leadership are killed in the crib unless there are outside forces that strong-arm the military into accepting them; it's just even more true now that there's also this massive and highly profitable sole-source arms industry whose cozy margins are also threatened by new ideas.
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we need fewer Dick Joneses and more Bob Mortons
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I think Pentagon wants drone for the simply rule #1 reason, does it look more scifi? The problem is the cooler and more scifi looking drones are big drones, that's not where the direction is going in the actual war.
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The Oldest Man posted:You can read the writing on the wall with these programs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborative_combat_aircraft I would quibble that the US does actually procure similar loitering munitions, the switchblade jumps to mind, but they’re stuck in doctrinal niches because of the organizational threat that changing doctrine to enhance their usage would pose. So they’re seen as a way to enhance the existing force structure rather than something demanding a restructuring to adapt to using.
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poisonpill posted:Why is every branch so reticent to move to unmanned stuff? Like drones, robots, etc.? It seems like trying to make it so that it could either have a crew or be empty will get you the worst of both worlds and please don’t just say grift For unmanned ground vehicles I think the basic problem is that they're just a bad idea. Aerial drones are a different story but the Russia-Ukraine war has shown that you really need extremely large volumes of very cheap disposable drones (e.g., the Shahed 136, DJI Mavics, Aliexpress quadcopters with PG-7s strapped to them etc.), which goes against the entire MIC ethos of building small amounts of extremely expensive stuff. A typical example of a Western-made tactical drone is something like the Switchblade 300, which costs $60,000 apiece, has a range of 10 km and a warhead basically equivalent to a grenade. For ~$20,000, the Russian MIC can build a Geran-2 with a range of 2500 km and a warhead weighing 50 kilograms. So it's grift.
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Trabisnikof posted:I would quibble that the US does actually procure similar loitering munitions, the switchblade jumps to mind, but they’re stuck in doctrinal niches because of the organizational threat that changing doctrine to enhance their usage would pose. The switchblade is a tactical munition with a range of about 40km for the latest and largest version, and it's still designed to be man-portable. The Shahed-136 is a strategic munition with a range of 2500 km that weighs almost 500 pounds. These are only similar in that they are drones that are smaller than conventional aircraft.
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poisonpill posted:Why is every branch so reticent to move to unmanned stuff? Like drones, robots, etc.? It seems like trying to make it so that it could either have a crew or be empty will get you the worst of both worlds and please don’t just say grift The Air Force brass are all fighter pilots. You don't get promotions if your cockpit is a trailer at Creech and your controls are from an Xbox.
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I keep thinking about the prevalence of cheap quadrotors with RPG-7 warheads ziptied to them and how it's almost inconceivable the US/NATO will ever begin to have anything comparable that somehow costs under 5 figures per unit let alone 4 figures.
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skooma512 posted:The Air Force brass are all fighter pilots. You don't get promotions if your cockpit is a trailer at Creech and your controls are from an Xbox. Hey some of them are bomber pilots
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poisonpill posted:Why is every branch so reticent to move to unmanned stuff? Like drones, robots, etc.? It seems like trying to make it so that it could either have a crew or be empty will get you the worst of both worlds and please don’t just say grift a rare case where i get to maniacally shout 'inflation is inflation of wages, not prices' but in the ww3 thread the ideological foundation of american government since the nixon administration is keep labor costs down no matter what, of course that will bleed into the military via cutting carriers to skeleton crews and unmanned tanks
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Justin Tyme posted:cheap quadrotors with RPG-7 warheads ziptied to them This is just US MIC garbagebrain that these are all crude, ersatz improvisational weapons rather than purpose-built, series-production designs because that feeds the Western cope machine that Acksually, these cave-dwelling primitives can't compete with Our Good poo poo. Does this look like an RPG-7 warhead ziptied to a quadcopter to you?
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# ? Dec 21, 2023 21:39 |
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Like these functionally do the same thing (short-range aerial reconnaissance) but compare the cost: AeroVironment RQ-11 (US MIC recon drone) vs. DJI Mavic Air 3 (commercial quadcopter)
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The Oldest Man posted:The switchblade is a tactical munition with a range of about 40km for the latest and largest version, and it's still designed to be man-portable. The Shahed-136 is a strategic munition with a range of 2500 km that weighs almost 500 pounds. These are only similar in that they are drones that are smaller than conventional aircraft. and they cost the same but good point, that was not an exact comparison. the recent tomahawks can apparently loiter now, and they're only $2M each. there's also the Aevex Phoenix Ghost and the Raytheon Coyote but details are scant on those
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The Oldest Man posted:
I think the point of the comment is that even duct taping ordinance to a quadcopter you bought on your phone while taking a dump is more effective than a Switchblade.
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# ? Dec 21, 2023 21:46 |
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switchblade should be the name of the ginsu hellfire variant what are we even doing
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Real hurthling! posted:switchblade should be the name of the ginsu hellfire variant Yeah its been bothering me for years at this point as well.
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# ? Dec 21, 2023 21:51 |
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the fact that if the us buys a loitering munition it will cost 100x more than if China, Russia, Iran, etc bought it goes beyond the organizational threat to flyboys etc that these munitions pose. the cost is due to the fundamental rot at play in the american economic system. if we want to buy a manned fighter jet, an unmanned fighter jet, a tank, a truck, a nuclear power plant or a concrete bridge over a creek, they're all going to cost 100x what it does in places not suffering from the same institutionalized grift. replacing the air force chiefs with droneboys instead of flyboys won't be able to change that. they'll just buy more million dollar loitering munitions to replace the million dollar missiles
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uber_stoat posted:it's fun watching the government stirring like a drunken sleeping giant, hangover head pounding, slowly realizing just how hosed it is.
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# ? Dec 21, 2023 21:54 |
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The largest Switchblade is comparable to the early version of Lancet. They are designed to target tanks, costs about 200k-400k each. I don't know the Russian side has ever tried something on the scale of the smaller Switchblade. The FPV """suicide""" drones started this year and its an entire different way of killing people in the trench or light armored vehicles. It costs about 2k each. Has the range of under 10 miles? The Iranian Shahed 137 has had a pretty old history, I think the earliest design was from Israel. It's not really a new drone design from this war. I don't know why the west can't make any and give to Ukraine.
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Trabisnikof posted:and they cost the same Only 100 times as expensive as a Shahed per munition then assuming that you're getting the Burke that's shooting them for free Trabisnikof posted:the fact that if the us buys a loitering munition it will cost 100x more than if China, Russia, Iran, etc bought it goes beyond the organizational threat to flyboys etc that these munitions pose. the cost is due to the fundamental rot at play in the american economic system. Getting doctrinally pantsed is a result of the rot as much as the out of control cost basis of the military's systems is stephenthinkpad posted:The Iranian Shahed 137 has had a pretty old history, I think the earliest design was from Israel. It's not really a new drone design from this war. I don't know why the west can't make any and give to Ukraine. The whole point here is that the Western MIC is so loving blinkered that it won't even try to adapt until forced to, very likely by a shocking military defeat, and that even once it starts trying it probably won't be able to because its cost basis and industrial capacity are totally hosed too
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The Oldest Man posted:
quote:The Rich Man and Lazarus
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I’m about halfway through Vladislov Zubak’s ‘Collapse’ it is so good, and it’s amazing how unthinkable the end was to everyone, even on the inside something to think about
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stephenthinkpad posted:The Iranian Shahed 137 has had a pretty old history, I think the earliest design was from Israel. It's not really a new drone design from this war. I don't know why the west can't make any and give to Ukraine. making cheap and functional poo poo isn't profitable, and thus, by the magic of the ~free market~, it turns out that having a dozen artisan drones that don't perform any better than the cheapo ones is inherently a better use for the money
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