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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:The buttons work because dogs and cats understand basic noun-verb arrangements and what they result in. It’s not language understanding. It’s classical conditioning. That these animals can be conditioned to press a wide array of phrases shouldn’t be surprising, domesticated animals have been doing tricks forever. The end result is the animal being able to express their basic needs without having to fully understand language so yeah it does work like language but it is not “language” as your or I know it. It's classical conditioning, but what it's conditioning is pressing a sequence of buttons for a reward. That's it. There's no language involved. You could wire the buttons up to anything you wanted; the buttons could play a recorded audio clip (saying "feed me" or "gently caress you" or "spock ate my balls"), the buttons could tip random strangers on Onlyfans, the buttons could make random shitposts on internet forums. The dog doesn't care (or know) about the _meaning_ of the buttons, only that pressing them in sequence gets it fed. The most extreme example is probably when BF Skinner taught pigeons to pilot guided missiles. The pigeons did not (as far as we know) want to do kamikaze death rides into military targets, they just knew that pushing buttons in response to stimulus got them fed.
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my cat would be so loving annoying if he had those buttons
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Tobermory posted:It's classical conditioning, but what it's conditioning is pressing a sequence of buttons for a reward. That's it. There's no language involved. You could wire the buttons up to anything you wanted; the buttons could play a recorded audio clip (saying "feed me" or "gently caress you" or "spock ate my balls"), the buttons could tip random strangers on Onlyfans, the buttons could make random shitposts on internet forums. The dog doesn't care (or know) about the _meaning_ of the buttons, only that pressing them in sequence gets it fed. That’s what I was attempting to say. It feels like language even if it isn’t so that probably feels satisfying for a lot of people. Me and the dog agree on sounds meaning common things and now he can just press a button to express that feeling. The main thing is I don’t have to ask my dog if he wants food or wants to go outside to pee, whereas I did before. I could also just train him to get my attention and then go to the door but the buttons were actually more convenient. He just tells me. Just having quick access to express specific reward desires is a pretty cool thing imo.
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Try moving the buttons around, now what you stupid cat
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All these buttons give you various flavors of food, but one connects gasoline to your bidet........ dare you press the buttons............
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Karate Bastard posted:All these buttons give you various flavors of food, but one connects gasoline to your bidet........ dare you press the buttons............ These Saw sequels keep going downhill.
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Tobermory posted:It's classical conditioning, but what it's conditioning is pressing a sequence of buttons for a reward. That's it. There's no language involved. You could wire the buttons up to anything you wanted; the buttons could play a recorded audio clip (saying "feed me" or "gently caress you" or "spock ate my balls"), the buttons could tip random strangers on Onlyfans, the buttons could make random shitposts on internet forums. The dog doesn't care (or know) about the _meaning_ of the buttons, only that pressing them in sequence gets it fed. And now we call it data entry
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Oscar Wild posted:And now we call it data entry I loved data entry so much. I entered so much data.
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redshirt posted:I loved data entry so much. I entered so much data. 
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redshirt posted:I loved data entry so much. I entered so much data. We’ll call you Lt Yar then
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PAR-479 baby!
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Karate Bastard posted:All these buttons give you various flavors of food, but one connects gasoline to your bidet........ dare you press the buttons............ Why isn't gasoline a bathroom spray scent? Is there not a way to capture the essence without also killing brain cells?
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Why isn't gasoline a bathroom spray scent? Is there not a way to capture the essence without also killing brain cells? The chemical that makes gasoline smell so delicious is benzene, so I would say probably not.
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 Focus on one point real hard and circles appear. Then it becomes one of those things where once you see it the first time you can make your brain alternate between squares and circles.
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Cartoon Man posted:
What witchcraft is this?
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Scratch Monkey posted:We’ll call you Lt Yar then When you Tasha, Data enter you.
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redshirt posted:What witchcraft is this? I’m unlocking the secret third hemisphere of your brain.
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Nigmaetcetera posted:The chemical that makes gasoline smell so delicious is benzene, so I would say probably not. Double curse if you're old enough is that leaded gasoline smelled better yet!
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Cartoon Man posted:
I only recognise USB and Ethernet ports. Maybe HDMI?
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redshirt posted:What witchcraft is this? 
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Killer robot posted:Double curse if you're old enough is that leaded gasoline smelled better yet! You'd rub a little leaded gasoline behind your ear for good luck.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Why isn't gasoline a bathroom spray scent? Is there not a way to capture the essence without also killing brain cells? Go work at a service station.
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PainterofCrap posted:Go work at a service station. Without killing brain cells.
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That's operant conditioning. Classical is respondent conditioning, which is limited to reflexes and other biologically fixed across. Operant allows for very complex sequence and fine discriminations. Classical is antecedent based, operant is (mostly) consequence/reward based. Cats have no clue what the "mad" "why" and other abstract buttons are, other than "this gets human attention." You can teach them to use buttons to request more tangible things like certain activities, toys, pets, etc. I've taught quail to find various colors and match shapes, and others have taught them to sort music and paintings by style. They can learn cool poo poo. But this tiktok button stuff ain't it. Source: 3 degrees and a decade of research experience.
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Gaming Garbage has put up a bunch of new videos today. Lowtax posting from beyond the grave. https://www.youtube.com/@GamingGarbage/videos
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Death is no release from posting
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EVEN IN DEATH I STILL POST
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:The buttons work because dogs and cats understand basic noun-verb arrangements and what they result in. It’s not language understanding. It’s classical conditioning. That these animals can be conditioned to press a wide array of phrases shouldn’t be surprising, domesticated animals have been doing tricks forever. The end result is the animal being able to express their basic needs without having to fully understand language so yeah it does work like language but it is not “language” as your or I know it. We know that smart trained dogs can understand hundreds of words. A service dog has commands to do a multitude of very specific activities. Dogs can understand sound "outside" refers to going outside, but their vocal apparatus is incapable of making that sound. It is plausible that a button with their person's voice saying "outside" could quickly be associated with the concept of going outside and be used to meaningfully request going outside.
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Noir89 posted:This. Cool, I have an extremely verbal dog for the same reason  He sounds like Chewbacca
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We trained our beagle to ring a bell at the back door to go out. Which worked great until he figured out that it didn't have to be because he wanted to go pee or crap. He could ring the bell and be let out to stand outside and sniff for a half hour. The bell didn't last long.
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i also need to see your nipples, for science please form an orderly line
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your nipples aren't lined up already?
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Why isn't gasoline a bathroom spray scent? Is there not a way to capture the essence without also killing brain cells? https://y.yarn.co/c2f8755c-9ddf-4c9c-9ad3-99f04573496f.mp4
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Cartoon Man posted:
They appear because they are there.
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MrUnderbridge posted:We trained our beagle to ring a bell at the back door to go out. Same but the command "bring me your leash!" Whoops turns out dogs always want to go outside. "Leash for you sir." "May I offer you a leash in these trying times." "May I suggest a leash?" "Hey, look what I found, (it's the leash)." Anyway Scientists make major breakthrough in human/ape communication.
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Dienes posted:That's operant conditioning. Classical is respondent conditioning, which is limited to reflexes and other biologically fixed across. Operant allows for very complex sequence and fine discriminations. Classical is antecedent based, operant is (mostly) consequence/reward based. This is cool as gently caress.
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This dude who I saw in Key West is the only person I've ever seen train house cats. Not really cursed unless you count his bizarre behavior but relevant to the derail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGK361KA-FU&t=90s Most impressive thing to me is how he gets them to just run back into their carriers.
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A man who can train cats has the potential for great evil, yet he uses his powers... for good?
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As a wise man of byob once said, you must use your powers for good as well as for evil.
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redshirt posted:What witchcraft is this? The circles are actually there. The "boxes" at first glance look like they have mitered corners, but they haven't.
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