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Volmarias posted:The idea is that people should read the design documents ahead of time, instead of skimming it at a review meeting. I used to work at a company founded by an ex-Amazon person and until we got over like 500 or so people there was a culture of good writing and people actually reading and commenting on documents. It was great and I've never worked at a better place with smarter people. It all went to poo poo when we started hiring in volume after going public.
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Motronic posted:It all went to poo poo when we started hiring in volume after going public. Ah, yeah, sorry about that. It tends to happen whenever I join an organization.
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Dec 23, 2023 18:23
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Mokelumne Trekka posted:has anyone ever repeatedly sent warnings about a high impending workload months in advance, that more resources and manpower are needed, and this is completely ignored by higher ups and they just charge forward into a hosed up megadisaster? asking for a friend
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Dec 23, 2023 18:33
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Motronic posted:I used to work at a company founded by an ex-Amazon person and until we got over like 500 or so people there was a culture of good writing and people actually reading and commenting on documents. It was great and I've never worked at a better place with smarter people. Yep, the concept seems really good, if people can actually read and write. As opposed to my former company, where *everything* had to be done through PowerPoint. And the boss i got stuck under at the end seriously thought her big "value add" was making very pretty decks.
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Dec 23, 2023 18:42
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Baddog posted:As opposed to my former company, where *everything* had to be done through PowerPoint. And the boss i got stuck under at the end seriously thought her big "value add" was making very pretty decks. Yeah, that's pretty much where I'm at now. I have received engineering diagrams in slide deck format. I have no words.
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Dec 23, 2023 18:44
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Motronic posted:Yeah, that's pretty much where I'm at now. I have received engineering diagrams in slide deck format. I have no words. It could be worse. Our Product Managers love, love, love LucidSpark. Imagine an hour of someone zooming and panning through a poorly organized whiteboard that would be ten feet across if it were a physical artifact. Lucid has tool to organize each section into something cohesive, but only about a third of the ones I see use them.
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Dec 23, 2023 18:51
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Motronic posted:
Corporate Megathread: It all went to poo poo when we started hiring in volume.
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Dec 23, 2023 19:32
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Volmarias posted:The idea is that people should read the design documents ahead of time, instead of skimming it at a review meeting. Sure. My issue is that it seems like an extremely engineering focused way to design interfaces. And, in fact, it’s not like Amazon is famous for usability.
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Dec 23, 2023 20:24
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I think part of the problem with Powerpoint is that if you asked someone to make a presentation to literally explain why you shouldn't shoot them in the head right now, they'd somehow still never get to the point or explain their thoughts clearly. Powerpoint didn't force the presenter to squeeze that entire flow-chart onto the slide at 8% zoom, or write an entire procedure in 10-pt font and then turn around and read the slide without any eye contact. They did that horrid poo poo of their own volition. Powerpoint just gives people enough easy rope to hang themselves with.
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Dec 23, 2023 21:17
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It bugs me that everyone gets PowerPoint but if you want Visio you have to beg for it
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Dec 23, 2023 21:21
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We took a PowerPoint training class that amounted to “cut everything out. Know your talking points and have a pretty picture for the toddlers in the meeting room”. E:grammar Democratic Pirate fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Dec 23, 2023 |
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Dec 23, 2023 21:39
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Democratic Pirate posted:have a pretty picture for the toddlers in the meeting room Someone taught me this when I was early-mid career, and it was very helpful. Know the toddlers, ideally know how they like to receive information, and (very ideally) have an idea of what sort of message they like to receive. Some people just want a feel, others want all the data, etc etc. Target the right audience with the right presentation. Oh yeah and figure it all out in 20 minutes, because I signed you up to present this next one. 
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Democratic Pirate posted:We took a PowerPoint training class that amounted to “cut everything out. Speak to your know your talking points and have a pretty picture for the toddlers in the meeting room”. This was the other half of my grad school capstone class and I cringe when I look at presentations I made before that. My work teammates love to put multiple paragraphs on their ppts and it drives me nuts.
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Dec 23, 2023 22:58
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Renegret posted:e: The real bullshit is not getting paid out for sick time. So now, at the end of the year when everybody's burning Vacation and we're juggling Holiday alternates, we also have to deal with people just randomly calling out. Since we're a 24/7 department, we can't just leave the department unmanned. So while you have the right to call out in that case, you're going to gently caress over the on call and make an enemy in the process. Taking a mental day because your boss is annoying is perfectly legit if the alternative is "the shareholders thank you for your service"
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Dec 23, 2023 23:35
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If I'm actually doing it as a presentation then the words are mostly prompts for me, if it's just a handy way of sending a pack of stuff round then they need to contain actual useful info. My god though some of the "metrics packs" I see produced, jesus Christ. Fully committing to quantity over quality almost all of them.
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Dec 24, 2023 00:51
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:My god though some of the "metrics packs" I see produced, jesus Christ. Fully committing to quantity over quality almost all of them. Every data point in my 35 page reporting packages is precious to me  The most exhausting big boss I’ve reported to thus far wanted a streamlined deck but also loved when presenters flipped to supplementary slides in response to his questions. We ended up with 50 slide decks because anything that had data attached got thrown in the backup section.
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My old shop had a PowerPoint deck that we used to bring to external partners to show what we did in our weird little niche offices. The director of that shop insisted that we used this deck and we weren't allowed to change a word. No changing fonts, no changing backgrounds, nothing. Use the pre-approved deck, and only the pre-approved deck, because it's external PR communication. The problem was she was a loving idiot, so the whole deck was full of typos. And each slide was formatted differently, including often two or three different formats in one slide. Like it was written by a boomer who didn't know how those things function. I cleaned it up for her once and sent it to her for approval and got accused of sabotaging the department. That lady and that department sucked poo poo. I used it once and refused to ever embarrass myself like that again.
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priznat posted:It bugs me that everyone gets PowerPoint but if you want Visio you have to beg for it gently caress me, this speaks to me.
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priznat posted:It bugs me that everyone gets PowerPoint but if you want Visio you have to beg for it The baby version of Visio is free on MS 365 now, and it's mostly fine for making a simple chart or whatever.
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Dec 24, 2023 03:47
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~Coxy posted:The baby version of Visio is free on MS 365 now, and it's mostly fine for making a simple chart or whatever. loving finally!! Used to be you couldn’t even get that without your manager having to approve a $500 expense for a Visio sub.
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The baby version sucks rear end. I tried to make some network diagrams with it and was wildly displeased with the end result. I refused to do anymore until I got the full version and, well, I haven't had to make network diagrams again at least
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One day I will master Visio and not gently caress up the line attachment points causing a huge mess when a square is moved but today is not that day!!!
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You've gotta work for a corp so large that the 365 subscription is basically anything and everything you could ever need.priznat posted:One day I will master Visio and not gently caress up the line attachment points causing a huge mess when a square is moved but today is not that day!!! There is no way to fix that when dragging elements afaik, just like dragging a shape sometimes causes the diagrams to explode. Moving things with the keyboard tends to work though. I'm the guy that will zoom all the way in to align additional connector points and move shapes by the micron so that all lines are straight. My diagrams are often peppered with alignment guides so that things will snap in properly.
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The best PowerPoint I've ever seen was when I joined a divisional update meeting and the very senior person running it started off by saying "I hate doing presentations but wanted to use this as an example" and opened a single slide with nothing but a picture of a crocodile on it, made one reference to it, then kept it on screen for the entire 45 minutes left in the meeting. Astonishing power move.
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The best presentation I saw was when our director finished up our objectives for the year by playing Jerry Reed's Eastbound and Down and having the select lyrics fly in in time with the music: - We're Gonna Do What They Say Can't Be Done - We've got a long way to go - And a short time to get there It was pointless "motivational" bullshit but I admired the chutzpah of just playing a forty year old country song as a summary.
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Fil5000 posted:The best presentation I saw was when our director finished up our objectives for the year by playing Jerry Reed's Eastbound and Down and having the select lyrics fly in in time with the music: Smdh if you haven't used the Kenny Powers intro to starting in the Mexican leagues as a team building ice breaker.
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Smh wasting money on proprietary software for diagrams when PlantUML exists.
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gently caress UML.
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:If I'm actually doing it as a presentation then the words are mostly prompts for me, if it's just a handy way of sending a pack of stuff round then they need to contain actual useful info. I make two kinds of decks. The presentation ones that are my outline and notes in slide format, and the ones where you send it around and people can just zoom the gently caress in.
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UML Deez nuts
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"You should have that in the backup slides." "Put that in the backups." "Attach the report in the backups." "We should keep a video walkthrough of the facility in the backups in case someone doesn't understand the process." *Sundae uploads a 900MB powerpoint deck to the meeting shared drive* "What? Why is it so big?!?"
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:1. You've gotta work for a corp so large that the 365 subscription is basically anything and everything you could ever need. 1. No 365 sub has Visio, you have to add Visio Plan 1 (web) or 2 (desktop) on an individual basis. https://m365maps.com/ 2. I might be misunderstanding you, but if you use Add Connection Point feature (Control+Shift+1 from memory) to add any custom connection points to the shapes, you can get pretty good auto-routing arrows and they'll obviously stick to the objects as you lay them out.
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~Coxy posted:1. No 365 sub has Visio, you have to add Visio Plan 1 (web) or 2 (desktop) on an individual basis. Yes, I usually add several custom connectors in the shape editor to make sure I can get all that I want to prettify it. That way you can do it by inputting the values for where the connectors are added, including using fractions of length, height etc. Makes getting it juuust right much easier.
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~Coxy posted:1. No 365 sub has Visio, you have to add Visio Plan 1 (web) or 2 (desktop) on an individual basis. Huh I figured it must have been included seeing as I got no "you must pay for this" when I got it installed at work. For 2, it's if you drag shapes sometimes it will get so caught up trying to auto route it it will just blast everything all over the place and the whole thing flies apart..
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If office copilot will let you create diagrams you describe I will be extremely excited by AI finally
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I can get into Visio using the 365 Web app despite not having approval for the actual program.
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Between the basic shapes (including connectors) and Insert > Icons, you can get about 90% of the way there in PowerPoint. At least for presentation purposes.
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Draw.io or whatever it's called now does well enough for most things I need so far.
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knox_harrington posted:I can get into Visio using the 365 Web app despite not having approval for the actual program. It comes with 365 the actual application has a separate license which I think 365 also comes with but your IT has to be competent which lol.
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Where I work it was easier to get a copy of draftsite and just do my diagrams in that than it was to get a copy of Visio because I could go through the engineering approval process instead of the office/manager approval process. As an added bonus no one can poorly edit my diagrams and steal credit/blame me for them.
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