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Yeah, that was me. I’m fully convinced Power of the Doctor was plotted/written by AI. It’s got all the greasy fingerprints of the forgetful plotting as you say. Plus it’s close enough to now that it’s a non zero chance AI was used.
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I would dispute that many of Chibnall's ideas were exciting at any point. It's taken me a while to put my finger on it, but I think the touchpoint for the Whitaker years isn't AI. It's that if you told people that Disney owned Doctor Who now, the past six years are what you'd imagine. A rather good-looking imitation of a British sci-fi show with lots of superficial diversity, but terminally cowardly in its politics and devoting large quantities of the episodes to the plot mechanics. Why engage with Rosa Parks when you can min/max the number of people on the bus?
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Dec 24, 2023 00:34
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Yeah, I’d love to hear from Malorie Blackman about her script, and what happened. I can’t imagine she wrote something so insipid.
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Dec 24, 2023 01:06
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Wolfechu posted:I think if Chibnall's run had been a few years later, we'd all be squinting at it suspiciously as if AI wrote it. I think it was The_Doctor or Jerusalem on here that compared the two, the initial rush of exciting ideas that gradually go nowhere as the AI forgets where the story actually started. Nothing could sum up Chibnall's era better.
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Dec 24, 2023 01:42
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Confusedslight posted:Nothing could sum up Chibnall's era better.
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Dec 24, 2023 02:11
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I've been doing a rewatch of all of Who with my partner who is new to the show and it's been a delight re-experiencing the rollercoaster of glorious highs and plummeting lows of the RTD era. I think... Love and Monsters might actually be good outside of the love life joke when rewatching it through the lens of LINDA being a representation of various facers of the Who fandom.
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Dec 24, 2023 02:44
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SirSamVimes posted:I think... Love and Monsters might actually be good outside of the love life joke when rewatching it through the lens of LINDA being a representation of various facers of the Who fandom. It is. I like it up until that ending which is so bad that it destroys the rest of the episode.
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Dec 24, 2023 02:50
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McGann posted:Was I alone in being absolutely annoyed by Audacity's personality? It felt like it was speed running through companion themes that had already been beaten to death years ago, and her constant complaining about "society"[my words, not hers...I think, I zoned out a lot of her monologues) felt like a constant stream of "holier than thou" condescension. Maybe that was the point, but boy would I have enjoyed those stories a bit more with a different companion. Oh nah, I love her. You can feel some of the authors struggling with the idea that she's a socialist, because they don't know how to write someone with a non-liberal ideology, but I like that she's got a strong sense of ethics. Even if you'll occasionally get a writer who thinks that makes her a violent, planet bombing radical or something.
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Dec 24, 2023 03:09
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Just watched village of the angels and really liked it. Felt like a good angels episode to me. Kinda wish they could get away from the dont blink thing, but all in all used the angel canon effectively imo. So far these flux episodes feel longer than they are, they feel absolutely packed with stuff. I think i like it, but trying to binge it does feel a little exhausting sometimes
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Dec 24, 2023 05:48
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LividLiquid posted:Nope. That's it. That's the one-paragraph summary of all those disappointing years. It kind of applies to every episode individually, too, even the good ones are rocky in places. I don't feel we got a decently paced story with a solid conclusion until Eve of the Daleks, and that's a hell of a late entry to finding a good pace for your show. The start of Jodie's run, I felt it had such potential, and whatever flaws there were, they'd shake themselves out over the season. Okay, well, the next season then. Ah... I think it's actually worse than just 'poo poo Doctor Who'; it's 'tantalizingly close to being good Doctor Who', and I feel just a pass or more two through the writer's room or something and there'd be some genuine classics in her run. Anyway, then this giant Welshman barged back into the room accompanied by Murray Gold, and all is well again
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Dec 24, 2023 07:18
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Wolfechu posted:It kind of applies to every episode individually, too, even the good ones are rocky in places. I don't feel we got a decently paced story with a solid conclusion until Eve of the Daleks, and that's a hell of a late entry to finding a good pace for your show. Now I am picturing Rusty just wheeling Murray into every room he walks into.
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:Now I am picturing Rusty just wheeling Murray into every room he walks into. With a synthesiser that he's playing dramatic scene appropriate music on at all times.
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Dec 24, 2023 09:35
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I'm genuinely so glad this dumb bad show is back. Some of it is absolute poo poo but it's fun as gently caress and made with a camp tone that allows that to be absolutely enjoyable anyway.
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Open Source Idiom posted:Oh nah, I love her. You can feel some of the authors struggling with the idea that she's a socialist, because they don't know how to write someone with a non-liberal ideology, but I like that she's got a strong sense of ethics. Even if you'll occasionally get a writer who thinks that makes her a violent, planet bombing radical or something. That last point, 100%. I think you may have hit the nail on the head - it's an attempt at socialism, but through a more (usually) centrist lens. As a socialist myself, i am thinking I bounced hard due to the last story i was really invested in, she took takes the "correct" side but refuses to see any nuance to the situation. It's that type of writing that annoys me. I'm going to give her another shot with that in mind, lazy writers gonna do lazy writing sometimes. Open Source Idiom posted:I'm genuinely so glad this dumb bad show is back. Some of it is absolute poo poo but it's fun as gently caress and made with a camp tone that allows that to be absolutely enjoyable anyway. Hell yeah. And it's Christmas! CHRISTMAS WOULDN'T BE CHRISTMAS without a special I can simultaneously enjoy immensely and also be slightly embarrassed to have to explain parts of.
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Dec 24, 2023 14:15
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I can't imagine how irritating it would be to listen to a neoliberal try to sympathetically or semi-sympathetically write a 'socialist'. I think it would be more irritating than the usual contempt, bafflement or open hostility, frankly
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Dec 24, 2023 16:20
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Well, the political divide is a bit different in Britain, I don't know - might feel different accordingly.
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lines posted:Well, the political divide is a bit different in Britain, I don't know - might feel different accordingly. To be clear (I may be misunderstanding you), I am (lamentably) British. And the politics here are basically American except somehow even more parochial and reactionary. Thatcherism is still the carrier wave of our political and media environment, and the countervailing militancy of the 80s has been long quashed Though RTD2 may well be the vanguard pushing back against that 
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Dec 24, 2023 16:45
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Maybe I underestimate things! I am British and having been raised in a socialist youth movement here I have a slightly rosier view of things.
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lines posted:Maybe I underestimate things! I am British and having been raised in a socialist youth movement here I have a slightly rosier view of things.
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Plucky Brit posted:The Conservatives have been in power for 27 of the past 40 years. The other 13 was New Labour. Also the last time anyone with any vaguely socialist ideas was in charge of the Labour party he was sabotaged by his own MPs and utterly villified by the press (at least in part because he said that he thought that the use of nuclear weapons would be "bad").
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Plucky Brit posted:The Conservatives have been in power for 27 of the past 40 years. The other 13 was New Labour. Sure, but in my experience people don't really dismiss socialist thinking out of hand even when they wouldn't call themselves that themselves. (New Labour itself was a weird mixed bag in this sense, but obviously its leadership embraced third-way thinking in a way that hasn't really happened since).
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Fil5000 posted:Also the last time anyone with any vaguely socialist ideas was in charge of the Labour party he was sabotaged by his own MPs and utterly villified by the press (at least in part because he said that he thought that the use of nuclear weapons would be "bad"). And the current Labour leader who is centrist beige personified* has gone on record of saying Thatcher was good, actually.  *what he’s doing in labour at all is anyone’s guess
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He was a Trotskyist in the 80s! Insert joke here.
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The_Doctor posted:And the current Labour leader who is centrist beige personified* has gone on record of saying Thatcher was good, actually. And he's a cop
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lines posted:Maybe I underestimate things! I am British and having been raised in a socialist youth movement here I have a slightly rosier view of things. Legitimately the biggest flight of fancy in a thread dedicated to Doctor Who.
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Fil5000 posted:And he's a cop First against the wall, etc
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Wow, it's weird they're ending the Chronicles line with the 11th Doctor Chronicles. I heard the other Chronicles lines aren't as good, but drat this is good. I just listened to the bonus, download only story: Broken Hearts. I don't think I've ever seen Doctor Who do an introspective follow-up story where a companion spends the entire episode giving the Doctor the works because he did something over the line. The entire threat is just some inclement weather that responds to their emotional state so the story is pretty much devoted to the two getting to know each other better and come to terms with what they did to one another in a prior adventure. They both come out seeming like real people with problems that they work through and grow from. It's honestly kind of great. I am really liking Valerie as a companion too. She really doesn't take guff in a way that Clara and Amy never did. It's really fun having a companion who will check the Doctor and will hold grudges and will take him to task. Of all the Doctors, the 11th really kind of needed that: someone who didn't see him as this big, magical, wonderful man and could call him on his bullshit and make him look at himself. Edit: Like, honestly, this series 7c feels better than the rest of the Smith era. I blows series 6 and 7 out of the water and, as much as like series 5, it's definitely better than it. It might be the best season of the Matt Smith era so far (we got one more, four episode box set to go) despite not actually having Matt Smith in it. Covok fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Dec 24, 2023 |
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I'd assume that any Ninth and Tenth Doctor ones probably sell substantially less than actual stories with Ecclestone and Tennant.
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Dec 24, 2023 21:58
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I know the show overall has kind of stepped away from the format of doing some two-parters and some single episodes, but I really wonder what the flow and structure of this new series will be with it being only 8 episodes plus the Christmas specials on either end
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Dec 24, 2023 22:15
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RTD should slide the runtime out to 1:30 per episode. 8 movies a year.
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Dec 24, 2023 22:19
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do you really want a repeat of the year of specials
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Dec 24, 2023 22:21
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I want more than 480min of Doctor Who in a season
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Dec 24, 2023 22:24
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Infinitum posted:I want more than 480min of Doctor Who in a season See Disney being an American company, an "hour" of television is 42 minutes plus commercials so 480 minutes of Doctor Who is actually 11+ episodes
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Dec 24, 2023 22:45
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Give me 4 x 25min episodes again for a single story, preferably with a lot of running around the same corridor to pad out the running time and bizarre closeups of the floor as a cliffhanger stinger.
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HD DAD posted:Give me 4 x 25min episodes again for a single story, preferably with a lot of running around the same corridor to pad out the running time and bizarre closeups of the floor as a cliffhanger stinger. This but unironically
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Wolfechu posted:I think it's actually worse than just 'poo poo Doctor Who'; it's 'tantalizingly close to being good Doctor Who', and I feel just a pass or more two through the writer's room or something and there'd be some genuine classics in her run.
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Dec 25, 2023 01:11
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I rewatched The Sound of the Drums and have realized how much RTD lifted from it for The Giggle.
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Covok posted:Edit: Like, honestly, this series 7c feels better than the rest of the Smith era. I blows series 6 and 7 out of the water and, as much as like series 5, it's definitely better than it. It might be the best season of the Matt Smith era so far (we got one more, four episode box set to go) despite not actually having Matt Smith in it. It's pretty good. I suspect I don't love it as much as you do, but I do like Valarie an absolute fucktonne. The episode where she and the Doctor go around possessing toys and cartoons and poo poo was really, really good.
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 Happy Christmas from the East Coast of the US!
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I can't say when I'll be able to watch the Church on Ruby Road since I'll be traveling to and from family for most of the next two days, but it will probably be "eventually", if not Wednesday.
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