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Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

My vote is for large scale industrial sabotage and the targeted harassment and murder of ceo's and politicians.

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Saganlives
Jul 6, 2005



Please, your optimism burns.

20 Blunts
Jan 21, 2017
maybe another continent will pop up and we can run it all over gain

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

Professor Shark posted:

*sharpens broken scissors*

You aren't allowed to have those and if those are company property you're in extra trouble.

roffles
Dec 25, 2004

20 Blunts posted:

maybe another continent will pop up and we can run it all over gain

:tinfoil: they're defrosting Antarctica on purpose

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
Got my kids their first PCs, came with Windows 11 and I've been helping them set them up and trying to install some games and christ Windows 11 sucks, really exudes that late stage capitalist dystopian feel.

shazbot
Sep 20, 2004
Ah, hon, ya got arby's all over my acoustic wave machine.

His Divine Shadow posted:

Got my kids their first PCs, came with Windows 11 and I've been helping them set them up and trying to install some games and christ Windows 11 sucks, really exudes that late stage capitalist dystopian feel.

You’re just old!


And 11 sucks

bossy lady
Jul 9, 1983

His Divine Shadow posted:

Got my kids their first PCs, came with Windows 11 and I've been helping them set them up and trying to install some games and christ Windows 11 sucks, really exudes that late stage capitalist dystopian feel.

Give your kids linux. That'll put some hair on their chests

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003

LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL
(づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ♥(‘∀’●)

bossy lady posted:

Give your kids linux. That'll put some hair on their chests

imo emulate a 80286+80287 system running Xenix and make them learn COBOL, H and C

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

His Divine Shadow posted:

Got my kids their first PCs, came with Windows 11 and I've been helping them set them up and trying to install some games and christ Windows 11 sucks, really exudes that late stage capitalist dystopian feel.

There is no good OS.

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003

LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL
(づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ♥(‘∀’●)

Duck and Cover posted:

There is no good OS.

incorrect, Win 3.1, hot dog stand

Beastie
Nov 3, 2006

They used to call me tricky-kid, I lived the life they wish they did.


His Divine Shadow posted:

Got my kids their first PCs, came with Windows 11 and I've been helping them set them up and trying to install some games and christ Windows 11 sucks, really exudes that late stage capitalist dystopian feel.

Its constants pop up to synch and link to a million different things is obnoxious. Try booting up MacOS for the first time vs a Windows machine. It's night and day.

Hasturtium
May 19, 2020

And that year, for his birthday, he got six pink ping pong balls in a little pink backpack.

MrQwerty posted:

incorrect, Win 3.1, hot dog stand

Did somebody say Hot Dog Linux?

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?
Windows 98 was great once most of the USB stuff was sorted out

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

His Divine Shadow posted:

Got my kids their first PCs, came with Windows 11 and I've been helping them set them up and trying to install some games and christ Windows 11 sucks, really exudes that late stage capitalist dystopian feel.

I miss Windows 7, used that right up until MS stopped supporting it. Absolutely nothing that's come in the later versions has improved my computing experience at all.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Pistol_Pete posted:

I miss Windows 7, used that right up until MS stopped supporting it. Absolutely nothing that's come in the later versions has improved my computing experience at all.

Big Windows 7 fan here, but Windows 10 got real solid for awhile. But then they started adding news and weather on the task bar, notifications increased, and now I'm seeing pop up adds for some Microsoft game on work computers.

Well Played Mauer
Jun 1, 2003

We'll always have Cabo
Windows is what happens when a company full of MBA goons get their UX improvements from a phone maker and their features from a socialist project being overrun by other MBA goons.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Well Played Mauer posted:

Windows is what happens when a company full of MBA goons get their UX improvements from a phone maker and their features from a socialist project being overrun by other MBA goons.

you're saying it's bfc vs cspam?

800peepee51doodoo
Mar 1, 2001

Volute the swarth, trawl betwixt phonotic
Scoff the festune

redshirt posted:

Big Windows 7 fan here, but Windows 10 got real solid for awhile. But then they started adding news and weather on the task bar, notifications increased, and now I'm seeing pop up adds for some Microsoft game on work computers.

Agreed. I was pretty happy with Win10 for a couple of years. Its still okay-ish if you actively hunt down and kill all of the news, notifications, and pop up ads but I shouldn't have to do that. If there was another option for an OS that didn't come caged in overpriced, proprietary hardware or require a CS degree to use, I'd be interested.

In anti-enshittification news, this thread got me to finally switch out from chrome to firefox. I was worried about losing a bunch of cross-platform functionality but so far its been pretty seamless. Also, it seems to have fixed the issue I had scrolling this site on my phone. For some reason, SA would constantly hitch and fight me while scrolling down threads. It was only this site and it was on every phone I've used in the last several years. No idea why. Firefox doesn't do that so, uh, aces I guess

MrTargetPractice
Mar 17, 2004

I forgot what it's called but there is some sort of patch out there that nukes everything shutty in wibdows 10 for you. It's a .bat so you can right click open it in a text editor to make sure nothing spooky is in there. Takes like 30 seconds to run and disables all that crap for you.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:
You can get rid of 100% of windows shittiness by pulling the power in cord out of the wall.

VikingofRock
Aug 24, 2008




800peepee51doodoo posted:

If there was another option for an OS that didn't come caged in overpriced, proprietary hardware or require a CS degree to use, I'd be interested.

FWIW there probably are some easier linux distros nowadays. My guess is that OpenSUSE Tumbleweed or Fedora might be pretty reasonable even without using the command line, but I've never really tried either.

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003

LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL
(づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ♥(‘∀’●)

Yeah until something you really need to use doesn't work

MrTargetPractice
Mar 17, 2004

Whoever said there are no good OSes is correct. People day Linux and Mac are better but they are just poo poo in different ways. Having worked with all 3 in IT I can tell you from experience there are no winners.

Nettle Soup
Jan 30, 2010

Oh, and Jones was there too.

MrTargetPractice posted:

I forgot what it's called but there is some sort of patch out there that nukes everything shutty in wibdows 10 for you. It's a .bat so you can right click open it in a text editor to make sure nothing spooky is in there. Takes like 30 seconds to run and disables all that crap for you.

I think it's Windows10debloater. I have a whole folder of this junk so I don't have to track it down every time I reinstall:


Not sure why nohboard is in there, I should add 7zip.

I stuck with win7 until last year or so, until stuff was literally no longer working. "Upgrading" to windows 10 added literally nothing but hassle.

Internet Old One
Dec 6, 2021

Coke Adds Life

MrQwerty posted:

imo emulate a 80286+80287 system running Xenix and make them learn COBOL, H and C

>Suggesting Microsoft products.

Venix286 or Coherent. Venix can run comfortably with a few hundred kb so they won’t grow up spoiled.

Canine Blues Arooo
Jan 7, 2008

when you think about it...i'm the first girl you ever spent the night with

Grimey Drawer

MrTargetPractice posted:

Whoever said there are no good OSes is correct. People day Linux and Mac are better but they are just poo poo in different ways. Having worked with all 3 in IT I can tell you from experience there are no winners.

This is the unfortunate truth.

There was definitely a time when I could at least say there was 1 good OS, but those days were basically dead with the advent of Windows 8. Windows marketshare continues to slip and I'm wondering if there is anyone home upstairs to maybe put 1 and 1 together and recognize that annoying the ever living poo poo out of your customers and mass deleting features is maybe not a great long term business plan.

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.
When my current smallest gets old enough, my plan is to bite the bullet and finally go full Linux gaming.

I'd rather train him that "sometimes computer stuff is messy and doesn't work well and you have to check forums full of unhelpful people trying to help" than "your computer will relentlessly betray you to get you to read about Nazis and buy in-game money."

bar88537
Nov 8, 2004

We got a few transformers toys and they seem really flimsy. I don't expect them to last long.

tactlessbastard
Feb 4, 2001

Godspeed, post
Fun Shoe
Playskool makes a little baby toy gear set that we've had years before for the older kids, they're so durable they live on forever at grandparents' houses for all the cousins to play with eventually. We had another baby this year so we bought a new one for for him, and it is a good 30% lighter, feels and looks flimsy, and didn't get any cheaper.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!
Looks like the parents are learning lessons with these new baby toys as well lol

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

MrTargetPractice posted:

Whoever said there are no good OSes is correct. People day Linux and Mac are better but they are just poo poo in different ways. Having worked with all 3 in IT I can tell you from experience there are no winners.

Of course I am correct. Linux is a fussy and absolutely horrible if you aren't a computer engineer who works in Linux all day. When it works it's fine when you actually have to fix poo poo or interact with it sucks. Macs don't like to communicate failures and works weirdly (differently than windows not necessarily bad or good but in a way I do not expect). Windows is built on the old and has multiple places to do the same thing but sometimes only one of those areas has the exact checkbox or whatever you need. IOS tries to pretend it isn't an OS so doesn't give or hides features it should have (like a file structure). Android seems to think I want to give access to everything to every app I download. Well at least the apps request it.

Just because I didn't list a fault with the OS doesn't mean it doesn't exist I just didn't want to give everyone a novel to read.

Atopian posted:

When my current smallest gets old enough, my plan is to bite the bullet and finally go full Linux gaming.

I'd rather train him that "sometimes computer stuff is messy and doesn't work well and you have to check forums full of unhelpful people trying to help" than "your computer will relentlessly betray you to get you to read about Nazis and buy in-game money."

Cruel.

MrTargetPractice
Mar 17, 2004

Duck and Cover posted:

Of course I am correct. Linux is a fussy and absolutely horrible if you aren't a computer engineer who works in Linux all day. When it works it's fine when you actually have to fix poo poo or interact with it sucks. Macs don't like to communicate failures and works weirdly (differently than windows not necessarily bad or good but in a way I do not expect). Windows is built on the old and has multiple places to do the same thing but sometimes only one of those areas has the exact checkbox or whatever you need. IOS tries to pretend it isn't an OS so doesn't give or hides features it should have (like a file structure). Android seems to think I want to give access to everything to every app I download. Well at least the apps request it.

Just because I didn't list a fault with the OS doesn't mean it doesn't exist I just didn't want to give everyone a novel to read.

Cruel.

I was an engineer that worked with Linux all day and it still was a pain in the rear end. You were trying to install this thing and forgot some touch file someplace? Welp it fails, doesn't tell you and wont uninstall so now you gotta reimage.

I worked for Apple during the time they decided to get rid of their "there are no viruses Mac" marketing on account of all the viruses people were gettibg. They tried to be like "oh it's not TECHNICALLY a virua it's malware" but thankfully that didn't last long. Just before that there was a huge rash of people's keychain (password storage) would randomly get corrupted.

There are plenty of issues with every OS. It pisses me right off when people are like "Oh you wouldn't have thay issue if you used X :smuggo:". Why are you Staning for a loving OS like loving sports team, I hate it.

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.


Boy named Sue

Atopian fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Dec 26, 2023

wash bucket
Feb 21, 2006

I'll agree that each OS has it's ups and downs but I feel like I've put the most effort into cutting Windows out of my life.

It didn't work.

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003

LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL
(づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ♥(‘∀’●)

I put the most effort into cutting linux and macos out of my life by not using them because I didn't pay $2k to build a computer to sit around loving with a command line for 3 weeks over a driver or $7k to buy a computer that can't play games

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Well I'll tell you this, all modern OS's are better then Win95 when I needed 34 floppy disks to install.

Insert disk 22 of 34.......

Shit Fuckasaurus
Oct 14, 2005

i think right angles might be an abomination against nature you guys
Lipstick Apathy
Mobile OSes suck way, way more than desktop OSes, but they're nefarious because they hide it and most people don't know. Both Android and iOS, for example, make it impossible to software disable Bluetooth. Turning Bluetooth off disables normal user-facing Bluetooth functionality, but any software on your phone with certain permissions (varies by OS but sadly it's usually Location) can see the nearby Bluetooth devices AND be detected by nearby Bluetooth beacons while Bluetooth is ostensibly "off".

There is no consumer benefit to this. There is zero argument for things to work this way that doesn't start and end at "gently caress you, consumer!". It can be and is used to track you down to the inch every loving day, and it's not even close to to worst they do. Motherfuckers need to go against the wall over it, I'm sick of how absolutely complacent people are about enshittification.

Duck and Cover
Apr 6, 2007

MrTargetPractice posted:

I was an engineer that worked with Linux all day and it still was a pain in the rear end. You were trying to install this thing and forgot some touch file someplace? Welp it fails, doesn't tell you and wont uninstall so now you gotta reimage.

I worked for Apple during the time they decided to get rid of their "there are no viruses Mac" marketing on account of all the viruses people were gettibg. They tried to be like "oh it's not TECHNICALLY a virua it's malware" but thankfully that didn't last long. Just before that there was a huge rash of people's keychain (password storage) would randomly get corrupted.

There are plenty of issues with every OS. It pisses me right off when people are like "Oh you wouldn't have thay issue if you used X :smuggo:". Why are you Staning for a loving OS like loving sports team, I hate it.

Yeah I absolutely believe that but I didn't want the crowd that knows Linux insisting it's fantastic and the best thing ever. My steam deck had a wonky install which was messing up installing the emulator thing I wanted. I wasted time trying to fix poo poo instead of just nuking and starting over which was in the end how I solved it. Also I recall the package manger or something having one of those stupid misspelled words names (like flickr) and so when I spelled the word correctly the command prompt was like lol no.

Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Dec 26, 2023

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redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

If I had to rank the 3 big OS's I use:

Win 10
Mac Whatever is the last OS
Ubuntu

And I know for what some people do, Ubuntu is by far the best. But I'm averaging it out, and I assure you Jane in Accounting and Cindy the Teacher and Stan the Medical Assistant and so on and such across thousands of professions and custom software running on Windows....

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