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moths posted:I haven't read many of the DA Heresy books, but in what I've read they're actually a little worse. It's not that half went to Chaos; It's that the entire legion went straight to Team Dark Angels but split 50/50 into Angels leaning Horus and leaning Emperor. Have you read Luther: First of the Fallen? Because the entire Fallen arc up to the destruction of Caliban is laid up there pretty clearly.
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Have u guys heard about what happened ON CALIBAN?
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Dec 25, 2023 21:50
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Angry Lobster posted:Have you read Luther: First of the Fallen? Because the entire Fallen arc up to the destruction of Caliban is laid up there pretty clearly. I haven't! I got about 60% through their trilogy but JBP posted:ON CALIBAN Is Luther:FotF a good read?
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Dec 25, 2023 22:10
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The only way I'm getting through black library novels is because they're on audible and I can listen to them while painting.
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Dec 25, 2023 22:20
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moths posted:I haven't! I got about 60% through their trilogy but Oh yes, the DA heresy era books are not that great. This one is quite different from the rest due to how it's narrated. On one hand, It's one of the best Gav Thorpe books, on the other hand, it's still a Gav Thorpe book. I think it's worth a read overall, although if you're easily bored with pre-Imperial Caliban, you'll have some trouble with certain parts.
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Dec 25, 2023 22:29
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I do pretty much all of my reading, Black Library or not, while going on porcelain cruises.
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Dec 25, 2023 22:29
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Oh sweet, I'll check that out then! DA lore is pretty fun, but their HH trilogy was just a massive snooze.
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Dec 25, 2023 22:42
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moths posted:Oh sweet, I'll check that out then! Anyone kept going after their first one?! It was so bad I stopped reading all the heresy books and just read the death guard ones (also bad)
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Dec 25, 2023 22:54
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There are some really good Heresy books, but they’re surrounded by absolute dross.
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Dec 25, 2023 22:56
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There were no Lions on Caliban.
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Dec 25, 2023 23:16
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The new models look dope and I want some.
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Dec 26, 2023 00:22
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ro5s posted:Anyone kept going after their first one?! It was so bad I stopped reading all the heresy books and just read the death guard ones (also bad) I'm pretty sure it was the first Dark Angels book that made me stop reading them all and only pick ones people agree are good/about the only interesting legion. Sadly there's only like one Night Lords book
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Dec 26, 2023 01:08
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AndyElusive posted:Some of you guys are very nitpicky because the new Dangel stuff looks great overall. I'm very happy for you, 1st Legion.
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Dec 26, 2023 02:02
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Also painted up a couple of Void Talons to go with that Oblit. Hurray Christmas painting!
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Dec 26, 2023 02:33
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I will enjoy combining the new Risen Fallen guys with the Night Lords kill team box, whenever that comes out, to make just plain fallen Fallen. The storyline works in this sense of being this insane obsession of a particular chapter that they push so hard and so audaciously that they create actual villains out of people who wouldn't otherwise have become them. That, and they have an aesthetic that's just really, really good.
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Dec 26, 2023 03:27
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The trauma of the Horus Heresy making marine chapters weirdos that are obsessed with weird poo poo that no one else really cares sbout is a recurring theme (Dark Angels/Fallen, all the legions with dead primarchs)
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Dec 26, 2023 03:36
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We need more emphasis on the 23 hour and 45 minute space marine day, with 15 minutes allowed for personal time/introspection.
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Dec 26, 2023 06:44
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I thought it was 5 minutes and it's supposed to be explicitly thinking about how good the Emperor is.
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Dec 26, 2023 06:54
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If you eat the brains of someone who loves the emperor, you can double up your worship time
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Improbable Lobster posted:The trauma of the Horus Heresy making marine chapters weirdos that are obsessed with weird poo poo that no one else really cares sbout is a recurring theme (Dark Angels/Fallen, all the legions with dead primarchs) Yeah maybe I've been parsing it wrong, but I thought the entire point of the DA was that the preoccupation with the Fallen was stupid, keeping secrets like they do is stupid, and this causes them to do stupid things (e.g. chasing shadows instead of doing productive things)
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Nancy posted:Yeah maybe I've been parsing it wrong, but I thought the entire point of the DA was that the preoccupation with the Fallen was stupid, keeping secrets like they do is stupid, and this causes them to do stupid things (e.g. chasing shadows instead of doing productive things) That and the idea that now they’re trapped, because the stuff they’ve done on their dumb Fallen hunts that they think are necessary to prevent their terrible secret from getting out is way worse than their terrible secret is. They have to keep covering up their coverup, because the coverup is worse than the initial crime.
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Dec 26, 2023 08:51
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DaysBefore posted:I'm pretty sure it was the first Dark Angels book that made me stop reading them all and only pick ones people agree are good/about the only interesting legion. Sadly there's only like one Night Lords book There's four good Night Lords books, it's just that they're all 40k not 30k
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Pretty much, the night haunter was an interesting Primarch right up until they had to actually write him in the Horus heresy novels.
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Dec 26, 2023 09:15
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Mr Teatime posted:Pretty much, the night haunter was an interesting Primarch right up until they had to actually write him in the Horus heresy novels. Same for most of them.
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Dec 26, 2023 11:04
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My longtime opinion is that most 40K stuff is poorly suited for novels. Short stories and vignettes are best because they give small glimpses into the universe and leave out the majority, so the reader can fill in the details. Out of the 1000 BL books, are even 8 of them actually good?
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Professor Shark posted:Out of the 1000 BL books, are even 8 of them actually good? Horus Rising, Legion, A Thousand Sons, The First Heretic, Prospero Burns, Know No Fear, Betrayer, Saturnine, Echoes of Eternity, End and the Death volumes 1 and 2 12 by my count Edit: I misread this as only refering to the Horus Heresy books. So there's a lot more on top of that.
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Dec 26, 2023 11:29
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The short stories that show up in White Dwarf and similar places are usually pretty good. It's like Space Marine models: they look cool, but the impression falls apart if you think too much about how they can move their arms with those pauldrons, or how many oversized bullets their magazine can possibly hold. The entire universe is like that at all levels. The optimal duration of a story in 40k is the same as the length of a comic in the 2000 AD magazine. That said, the Watchers of the Throne books were pretty good too (and not too long). Really shows the Custodes as idiot savants.
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Professor Shark posted:My longtime opinion is that most 40K stuff is poorly suited for novels. Short stories and vignettes are best because they give small glimpses into the universe and leave out the majority, so the reader can fill in the details. Yeah there's a ton of good black library books.
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/26/whats-coming-to-warhammer-40000-in-2024/ The 2024 model teaser video is up. The thumbnail definitely looks orkish at least. So I'm seeing Votann, Ork and Kroot on a mount. And that's about it. Cooked Auto fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Dec 26, 2023 |
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There’s a bunch of good black library stuff and there’s a heck of a lot of complete poo poo. Go get yourself the audiobook of the infinite and the divine because it completely owns and isn’t space marines.
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Mr Teatime posted:Go get yourself the audiobook of the infinite and the divine because it completely owns and isn’t space marines. And the The Twice-Dead King books too, because they're good Necron books as well. And narrated by the same guy who did Infinite.
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40k is so big as a setting that most of the novels take place in their own little bubbles too, only giving you glimpses into the setting. I wouldn't say the short stories are especially better at that, either.
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Athas posted:There is absolutely a silhouette of a Custodes spear, but much larger than usual. Looks like a character and the spear definetly looks bulkier, maybe it's a pyrithe/adrasite spear?
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AndyElusive posted:Some of you guys are very nitpicky because the new Dangel stuff looks great overall. I'm very happy for you, 1st Legion. Yeah I don't know what exactly people were expecting. These are just... dark angels. That's what they look like. Do I like them? Not particularly. But they're not for me. They're for Dark Angels likers. And they're very good models.
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Professor Shark posted:My longtime opinion is that most 40K stuff is poorly suited for novels. Short stories and vignettes are best because they give small glimpses into the universe and leave out the majority, so the reader can fill in the details. I don't know if any BL books pass the bar for being capital-L Literature but out of the several dozen I've read over the years the vast majority of them have been pretty good solid fun. A solid percentage have been genuinely good books by their own merits. Honestly the quality of BL books is pretty consistently high for what they are, which is pulp sci-fi adventure novels.
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Geisladisk posted:I don't know if any BL books pass the bar for being capital-L Literature but out of the several dozen I've read over the years the vast majority of them have been pretty good solid fun. A solid percentage have been genuinely good books by their own merits. Yeah I'd say the last few years at least, the library at its lowest is still a fun, fast reading pulp novel.
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Howdy guys. Ive been painting minis for a while, but mostly been in to the blanchitsu warband scale stuff til now (plus bloodbowl), but I am having the urge to dip my toe in to 40k and to paint some pace marines! I am a humungous space hulk fan and as such have a softspot for bloodangels (still got some OG blood angels red too) and am thinking about getting a few boxes to see how i find it. I am finding a lot of people talking online about firstborn marines being possibly phased out- my idea was to get some death company as i love the flavour of them, but seeing as I will take ages to paint them i dont want to finish them only for them to be obsolete. Would be nice to be building toward a viable (fun only) list if I choose to take it that way. Are there any units i should outright ignore for the time being with that in mind (also had my eye on a good deal on a librarian dreadnaught). My other idea was orks as i love the kitbashing side of the hobby- have heard they are expensive but is that more if you arent bashing? How realistic would it be to rely on mostly kitbashing for a full list?
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Yeah no Black Library books are loving Tolstoy, but there’s plenty of decent sci fi schlock if you like 40k. And plenty of crap. Even some of the pure bolter porn is fun, like Helsreach.
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Geisladisk posted:The fallen subplot also kinda stopped making sense once the HH books established that a ton of dudes from every legion rebelled so it really isn't a big deal that some DE rebelled. however, it does make the fact that the whole army is named after lionel johnson very funny
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