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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Yeah no Black Library books are loving Tolstoy, but there’s plenty of decent sci fi schlock if you like 40k. And plenty of crap. Out of stuff I've read recently I'd say Twice Dead King is good Sci Fi with narrative and thematic aspirations that makes it a plainly quality and emotionally fulfilling read. It's always hard to tell how people who aren't initiated in decades of fueding transhuman supermen would take a 40k book, but being told from the perspective of necron royalty gives it a leg up in being easy to recommend to somebody who's not a 40k fan. It's a bit alien but still relatable.
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Science_enthusiast posted:I am a humungous space hulk fan and as such have a softspot for bloodangels (still got some OG blood angels red too) and am thinking about getting a few boxes to see how i find it. I am finding a lot of people talking online about firstborn marines being possibly phased out- my idea was to get some death company as i love the flavour of them, but seeing as I will take ages to paint them i dont want to finish them only for them to be obsolete. Would be nice to be building toward a viable (fun only) list if I choose to take it that way. Are there any units i should outright ignore for the time being with that in mind (also had my eye on a good deal on a librarian dreadnaught). I don't know if Firstborn are being phased out, per se, but certainly deemphasized at the very least. That said, the Firstborn Death Company (jump pack and infantry) are still entirely viable and get table time. I'm still very new to 40k but I don't think I've ever heard of anyone using the Primaris Death Company because they're just not as good.
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Dec 26, 2023 13:46
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I think the premise of the Fallen tension was that it was ambiguous if the Fallen were traitors or loyalists, and the Lion could have been a traitor. The victors of Caliban could have showed up late to Terra, realised that the loyalists had won, and then pretended they had been loyalists all along. That's the origin of the "Dark Angels are actually traitors" meme. The Fallen could have blown the lid on this so they have to be hunted down, and now of course the cover up is worse than the crime which was the joke. The Horus Heresy series made that obviously non-canon and generally took a lot of the mystery out of the setting and conflict.
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Dec 26, 2023 14:17
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I wish there was a coming of age novel written from the perspective of a young nurgling whose particularly smooth skin prevents him from getting dirty and by the end he learns that that filth was inside him the entire time.
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Dec 26, 2023 15:00
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be the fanfic writer you want to see in the world
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Dec 26, 2023 15:01
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The big fight on Caliban always took place after the Siege of Terra. It occurs at some point during the Scouring. The Lion as a fence-sitter was an interesting angle, but I can understand why they dumped it. It was originally from a pretty unreliable source/character and it probably wouldn't have been that fun to write in a big series. The 30k BL books turned Luther into a Caliban secessionist dabbling in forbidden knowledge. It's at least a more interesting angle than a full on Horus following traitor. And it was something that would always have ended in tragedy. It's still handled poorly and winds up being boring. The Calibanite plotline could've been excised without much lost. Save it for the Scouring. Meanwhile, the Lion is a complete psychopath loyalist and spends the latter part of the Heresy going around blowing up traitor home worlds. It's a misguided attempt to draw traitor resources away from Terra. It doesn't really work because the traitor legions don't really give a poo poo anymore, but it's at least a fun diversion and absolutely something that character would do.
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Dec 26, 2023 15:05
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Bought the Minka Lesk model for myself as a late holiday gift, because the LGS has had it on the shelf for a while now and I promised myself I'd get it. I was going to paint it as a WW2 US GI. But it took me until now to realise that's just the regular Cadian 8th colour scheme.  Won't build it until I have something to swap out the head with though. Now I just need to get the WH+ Kasrkin before it's too late.
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Dec 26, 2023 15:48
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So I haven't played a game of Warhammer since 3rd edition but I just bought myself an airbrush and a bunch of Adepta Sororitas because I always wanted them but when I last played the entire range was metal. Does this look reasonable for a 1000 point list? I'm basically running the combo squad I've read about with the triumph, Palatine and a dialogus in a squad of sisters. Then the immolator splits up the other squad of sisters so 5 can sit on a backline objective and the other five can go find another one to sit on. Castigator for some long range anti tank, arco-flagellants to be a menace and tie things up. Penitent engine because it comes in the combat patrol and I had 65 points. Might be better as another 3 man squad of arco-flagellates and 2 crusaders? I suspect I'm light on anti-tank? ---------------------- Dialogus (30pts) Palatine (65pts) • Blade of Saint Ellynor Triumph of Saint Katherine (125pts) 10x Battle Sisters Squad (100pts) • Simulacrum Imperialis • Multi-melta • Meltagun • Sister Superior, Combi-weapon, Power weapon 10x Battle Sisters Squad (100pts) • Simulacrum Imperialis • Multi-melta • Meltagun • Sister Superior, Combi-weapon, Power weapon 10x Arco-Flagellants (130pts) 10x Arco-Flagellants (130pts) Castigator (140pts) • Castigator battle cannon • Hunter-Killer Missile • Storm bolter Penitent Engine (60pts) Immolator (115pts) • Hunter-Killer Missile • Twin Multi-melta
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Dec 26, 2023 15:50
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I suspect in 1000 point games if someone is bringing enough tank that you'd struggle with it with what you have there then if you put in enough anti tank to deal with that then you'd have the opposite problem or not have enough bodies for objectives.
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Dec 26, 2023 15:58
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Haha, fair enough. I know the game is really meant to be played at 2000 points but I figured I'd start here because it'll take me long enough to get all this painted up. At long as there is nothing really obviously bad then that's what I'll aim for to start.
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Dec 26, 2023 16:01
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Angry Lobster posted:Looks like a character and the spear definetly looks bulkier, maybe it's a pyrithe/adrasite spear? does have a melta on it, but also looks like it's a full meltagun so maybe a fancier one-off for a named guy supposing they're not doing a completely new character, could be Amon Tauromachian? there's not many named custodes that survive more than one book to choose from
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Dec 26, 2023 16:14
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Cooked Auto posted:Bought the Minka Lesk model for myself as a late holiday gift, because the LGS has had it on the shelf for a while now and I promised myself I'd get it. Regular Cadians use a lot less khaki than US troops did.
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Dec 26, 2023 16:49
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Since GW has gotten into a habit of bringing back primarchs, it could be Constantin Valdor, who had a big spear. The model looks a bit small for that, though.
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Lostconfused posted:Regular Cadians use a lot less khaki than US troops did. Granted, they were also a lot darker in tone than Cadians. Might as well go ahead with the idea, I need to buy some brush on grey primer either way.
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Dec 26, 2023 17:18
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Athas posted:Since GW has gotten into a habit of bringing back primarchs, it could be Constantin Valdor, who had a big spear. The model looks a bit small for that, though. I can’t explain why without spoiling something but it’s unlikely to be Valdor.
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Dec 26, 2023 17:28
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Cooked Auto posted:Won't build it until I have something to swap out the head with though. khagra's raiders and the melee chaos cultist box have some of the absolute best female heads around
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Dec 26, 2023 17:32
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Cease to Hope posted:khagra's raiders and the melee chaos cultist box have some of the absolute best female heads around Tempting, but I'll probably going to grab a WGA Cannon Fodder 2 box at last. I want one of the heads from it anyway and I need to put those sprues to use somehow.
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Dec 26, 2023 17:35
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It looks like a Horus Heresy custodes because it has the stupid eagle thing on top like their terminators Also the spear is slightly different from every other custodes spear.
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Dec 26, 2023 17:41
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KongGeorgeVII posted:So I haven't played a game of Warhammer since 3rd edition but I just bought myself an airbrush and a bunch of Adepta Sororitas because I always wanted them but when I last played the entire range was metal. The Palatine Dialogus Triumph combo will delete anything at 1k points and the arco-flagellants will kill everything else so I think you'll be fine. Extra squads of little dudes are probably better than the pengine too.
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RE: Black Library books, I've been reading more non-Heresy stuff lately and I've been liking what I've gone through. NL trilogy, Black Legion duology, Fall of Cadia, and now I'm wrapping up the first Dawn of Fire book and it's been pretty good. I do really like HH and the Siege books but it has been nice taking a break from Primarchs Everywhere
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Harvey Mantaco posted:I wish there was a coming of age novel written from the perspective of a young nurgling whose particularly smooth skin prevents him from getting dirty and by the end he learns that that filth was inside him the entire time. Are you there Nurgle? It's me, Typhus.
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I really liked the Eisenhorn/Ravenor stuff and the Gaunt's Ghosts series
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Dawn of Fire series has been pretty good so far with some exceptions (Wolftime). I love reading about the various groups and factions interacting that you don't see much of in other novels; Sisters reacting to Custodians, Word Bearers and Iron Warriors being bros, Catachans talking big game until a Marine walks in, Administratum menials butting heads with Logisticarum folks, etc.
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I don't have a huge interest in BL, but I'm curious if all the books are about the grand narrative? It is such a rich setting filled with massive events and characters with immense power, but I'd like to get something like a Noir novella. Or a solid road novel. What are the nobodies up to? I know there are books about guard fighting, but those are still too big picture. Does stuff like that exist, or is it all primarchs and grand campaigns?
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Virtual Russian posted:I don't have a huge interest in BL, but I'm curious if all the books are about the grand narrative? It is such a rich setting filled with massive events and characters with immense power, but I'd like to get something like a Noir novella. Or a solid road novel. What are the nobodies up to? I know there are books about guard fighting, but those are still too big picture. Most of the books are standalone stories in small sections of the galaxy, with a few large series about the movers and shakers like horus heresy. Even dawn of fire is more self contained stories that are tangentially related to each other. Most of the big story events happen in campaign supplements instead for the wargame. Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Dec 26, 2023 |
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i dont read black library because i am busy reading books about trading stocks
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If you really want smaller stories, then the Warhammer Crime books is what you're looking for. And Warhammer Horror for that part. Outside of Dawn of Fire (The horus heresy of 40k! lol) the other grand narrative series is Gaunt's Ghosts. But that one is more a cause of slow but steady escalation rather than starting off big. The rest are just stories that usually come off as big, but are all self contained and have no effect on each other. Even if some do respond to great narrative events. Chris Wraight's Watchers of the Throne and Vaults of Terra series (which both are excellent reads) take place before, during and after the Great Rift happening, and are an excellent view of what happens on Terra during that time. Cooked Auto fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Dec 26, 2023 |
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Professor Shark posted:My longtime opinion is that most 40K stuff is poorly suited for novels. Short stories and vignettes are best because they give small glimpses into the universe and leave out the majority, so the reader can fill in the details. I agree but there are a decent number of bangers in the BL novels
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Dec 26, 2023 19:59
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Hell yeah new Kroot. If it ever gets to the point where I can functionally run an all-Kroot force with some Tau vehicles as gun platforms / support pieces then I'd buy a Tau army immediately. Most of the Tau range doesn't appeal to me but the Kroot are so fuckin' cool.
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Professor Shark posted:My longtime opinion is that most 40K stuff is poorly suited for novels. Short stories and vignettes are best because they give small glimpses into the universe and leave out the majority, so the reader can fill in the details. Dan Abnett, Aaron Dembski-Bowden, Chris Wraight, Peter Fehervari and Matthew Farrer are all legitimately very skilled authors writing good sci-fi that happens to take place in the warhammer universe.
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Also Adrian Tchaikovsky, who is an actual, very prolific Sci-Fi author outside of Black Library.
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At this point I'm just ride or die for ADB, I'll read whatever he puts out. He probably should have been given End and the Death, sorry Dan.
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The end and the death had been very representative of the whole horus heresy - spreading far too little material too thin with a whole bunch of wheel spinning
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Virtual Russian posted:I don't have a huge interest in BL, but I'm curious if all the books are about the grand narrative? It is such a rich setting filled with massive events and characters with immense power, but I'd like to get something like a Noir novella. Or a solid road novel. What are the nobodies up to? I know there are books about guard fighting, but those are still too big picture. Eisenhorn is pretty much that- very Noir tales about an inquisitor interacting with all kinds of nobodies (as well as grander baddies)
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ro5s posted:The end and the death had been very representative of the whole horus heresy - spreading far too little material too thin with a whole bunch of wheel spinning Imo that mostly applies to the second book, which I felt like was padded in a way that the first one wasn't
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Imo that mostly applies to the second book, which I felt like was padded in a way that the first one wasn't Part 2 was the one I was particularly thinking of there, yeah
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Eej posted:Extra squads of little dudes mods?!? Grizzled Patriarch posted:Hell yeah new Kroot. If it ever gets to the point where I can functionally run an all-Kroot force with some Tau vehicles as gun platforms / support pieces then I'd buy a Tau army immediately. Most of the Tau range doesn't appeal to me but the Kroot are so fuckin' cool. come play KT, the Farstalkers are outstanding models
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Virtual Russian posted:I don't have a huge interest in BL, but I'm curious if all the books are about the grand narrative? It is such a rich setting filled with massive events and characters with immense power, but I'd like to get something like a Noir novella. Or a solid road novel. What are the nobodies up to? I know there are books about guard fighting, but those are still too big picture. Warhammer Crime is all about reskinning noir and cyberpunk into 40k and the stories and novels are all very solid.
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ro5s posted:The end and the death had been very representative of the whole horus heresy - spreading far too little material too thin with a whole bunch of wheel spinning I suspect it's kind of a Hobbit Trilogy thing: This is likely our last foreseeable trip to this setting, so there's a lot of deliberate lingering.
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I think it's more that no one wants to reign Abnett in, certainly not GW. More books= More money!
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