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ScootsMcSkirt posted:are there any good videos on how the damage types work? I think you mostly have to learn it by rote either in Sefani's playground or from a spreadsheet like this one https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PtPcw4m4YtO_IcEkFlJJOBVWCYDEIeCKJRYLT4SmLc0/htmlview Carapace is the one that sparks when you hit it, though. And bosses are always unyielding* *Except the twins apparently
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Ive definitely noticed suppression helping in some situations but obviously its better to just kill everything so quickly it doesnt matter.
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ScootsMcSkirt posted:are there any good videos on how the damage types work? Unarmored/flak/carapace/etc are armor types. You can go to the psykarium and shoot some enemies and it'll show what kind of type you're hitting. Note that most enemies have locational armor (for example, Maulers have flak armor on their body but Carapace helmets, so aim for the gut) If you don't want to get too Into It the general rule of thumb: * Flak is most armored elites you see (shotgunners, one version of gunners, maulers, etc) * Carapace is heavy armor mostly limited to Ogryns (Crushers in particular), and helmets of Maulers * Maniac is ragers, mutants, flamers, bombers(?) * Infested is things like poxwalker zombies, dogs
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Someone had asked about people skipping health stations and Christ I'm seeing so much of it now too. Even people steadfastly refusing to heal with a station 5 yards away and you're about to leave it behind to an elevator (i.e. it's not like they're saving it in case they have to double back after a boss fight.) Any time I see multiple people doing the same inexplicable stupid poo poo in an online game in a short span of time, I assume it's because of a youtuber, so I'm leaning that way. I get needlessly worked up about it because half the time we're carrying their dumb asses anyway, and it's just a real open show of disrespect to everyone else's time.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Someone had asked about people skipping health stations and Christ I'm seeing so much of it now too. Even people steadfastly refusing to heal with a station 5 yards away and you're about to leave it behind to an elevator (i.e. it's not like they're saving it in case they have to double back after a boss fight.) I'll admit I fully do not watch a single youtuber play Darktide but generally speaking someone ignoring a medicae station is just a sign of a very new player... or just a bad one. Or they don't look at their health. I'd be interested to find out if it was related to specific youtubers doing something dumb.
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Fishstick posted:* Maniac is ragers, mutants, flamers, bombers(?) Bombers and scab ragers are flak (dreg ragers are indeed maniac).
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Someone had asked about people skipping health stations and Christ I'm seeing so much of it now too. Even people steadfastly refusing to heal with a station 5 yards away and you're about to leave it behind to an elevator (i.e. it's not like they're saving it in case they have to double back after a boss fight.) Anecdotally i have seen a sharp uptick in this as well. To the point that i just heal now and eat the charge after a ping if they dont turn around
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Evil Kit posted:I'll admit I fully do not watch a single youtuber play Darktide but generally speaking someone ignoring a medicae station is just a sign of a very new player... or just a bad one. Or they don't look at their health. I'm talking about people who are specifically refusing to heal. Like the team will tag it and say "heal up" and it's literally a second away and they'll get mad and refuse. I've seen 3 in the past 24 hours. Like if you just neglected to and you're now far enough past it that it's not worth it to walk back, sure, whatever. Or you're about to do the Torrent descender holdout and maybe you'd rather keep a tiny bit unhealed just in case someone gets blasted to the lower level and needs to heal up, or maybe you'd rather risk the lower health in case there's a boss fight, etc. Those are all fine. But for example, Chasm Terminus, at the elevator before the boss fight? Or Carnival 1 where there's a station directly before an airlock? Nehru the Damaja fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Dec 27, 2023 |
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Nehru the Damaja posted:I'm talking about people who are specifically refusing to heal. Like the team will tag it and say "heal up" and it's literally a second away and they'll get mad and refuse. I've seen 3 in the past 24 hours.
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Exodee posted:If they're outright refusing and aren't a Zealot running a wounds build then it's got to be because of the most popular scoreboard mod. It assigns a bunch of arbritary scores to your performance, and having a low medicae heal count is one of the things that inflates it like crazy. Just another reason why that mod is bad and dumb. Almost like scoreboard mods in a cooperative game were a gigantic mistake. Who knew?
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I'm sure there's different opinions on this, but even if I'm running wounds Zealot I'll take a heal when it's available. It's nice to just mow through things and have crazy damage resistance, but it also assumes someone is going to be around to pick you up when you go down. There are definitely people who can skirt the line at no health and not go down, but they're not all that common and there's enough chaos in this game that it's just not worth it in my opinion. Temp HP in Vermintide 2 was much more reliable for Saltzspire, IMO. So yeah, I roll my eyes even when a wound Zealot does it.
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SkyeAuroline posted:Almost like scoreboard mods in a cooperative game were a gigantic mistake. Who knew? Internet Explorer posted:I'm sure there's different opinions on this, but even if I'm running wounds Zealot I'll take a heal when it's available. It's nice to just mow through things and have crazy damage resistance, but it also assumes someone is going to be around to pick you up when you go down. There are definitely people who can skirt the line at no health and not go down, but they're not all that common and there's enough chaos in this game that it's just not worth it in my opinion. Temp HP in Vermintide 2 was much more reliable for Saltzspire, IMO. Exodee fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Dec 27, 2023 |
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SkyeAuroline posted:Almost like scoreboard mods in a cooperative game were a gigantic mistake. Who knew? I would prefer if it only showed your own stats. Or combined all your teammates into an aggregate. Maybe I’ll see if I can alter the existing scoreboard mod to do that. e: f;b
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Exodee posted:Unfortunately that cat's out of the bag though. You can put that cat right back in the bag by banning anyone using a modified client from matchmaking, as should have been done from day 1. Want to use it in private games, be my guest.
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this is very helpful, thank you
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Nehru the Damaja posted:I'm talking about people who are specifically refusing to heal. Like the team will tag it and say "heal up" and it's literally a second away and they'll get mad and refuse. I've seen 3 in the past 24 hours. That's the exact thing I'm talking about lol. Either they think they don't need it or are just too tunnel vision to grab the heal. Or maybe they have voice chat turned off, idk! It's baffling but fairly rare on Damnation when I pubstove, it happens just often enough to stick out generally. It's a loving mystery and a half why some folks refuse though.
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SkyeAuroline posted:You can put that cat right back in the bag by banning anyone using a modified client from matchmaking, as should have been done from day 1. Want to use it in private games, be my guest. Fatshark is already on record for being okay with mods since fairly early on. As long as the mods do not let you directly effect the gameplay of others in some way, they don't really care what they do. While I'm a puritan modless player, there are some mods I respect and can appreciate are available for players to make use of like ones that help with accessbility. There are other mods I think shouldn't exist but I don't actually have to see any of the things they do in game so whatever, who cares if the person using the mod has put in the effort to install it. There's a couple of cheat mods that exists and one just highlights what symbols you'll need to press ahead of time when you start hacking minigame. Yes, it is cheating, but it's so minor and the player still has to push the button it's kinda whatever. And you'd never know if someone would have it unless they told you about it. The other cheat mod is the one that gives you enemy health bars in a run. Yes, that's cheating. 
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I like the scoreboard but will never mention i have it to another player. It's just to give me an idea of if whatever build I'm using is actually effective or I'm being carried at all
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I like the scoreboard but it's pretty much arbitrary how it generates scores, right? Or does the game have these scores built in and it just mines that data?
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withoutclass posted:I like the scoreboard but it's pretty much arbitrary how it generates scores, right? Or does the game have these scores built in and it just mines that data? the basics were explained to me once, heavily paraphrased and half remembered so grain of salt. The mod looks for certain "trigger" flags that fire in the game for certain events or something, so it's scraping things that happen in game but can't actually read game data. It's a very hacked way and also means it isn't 100% as accurate for some stats compared to others.
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The composite scores (e.g. offense score, teamwork score, total score) are arbitrary attempts to decide which score elements weigh how much. They'd be arbitrary whether that's the modder's doing or Fatshark. So those scores are useless. You can remove the rows for them in your mod options, and imo it helps combat the brain rot that having a scoreboard can lead to.
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The scores are extremely arbitrary since they only weigh the values that you choose to be shown. There are a TON of metrics that it can potentially track -- way more than can be shown on screen. As you prune away stuff you don't care about, the remaining values will be scores compared to the other players on the team. Anyone who plays non-optimally purely for the sake of scoreboard is an absolute drooling idiot.
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I think it's an interesting topic overall. 2/3 damnation games I played today had people just running off solo with zero situational awareness, not healing, etc. I feel like the scoreboard gives a convenient reason for it, but what else could be going on? Maybe a friend playing on their account? It's all very bizarre to me.
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Yeah most of them are just "for fun" scores and you have to adjust your metrics for success based on your role, i.e. it's ok if your leadership vet isn't topping the damage charts but you need to adjust your zealot if you're dead last in damage. Boss damage is also worth paying attention to.
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withoutclass posted:I think it's an interesting topic overall. 2/3 damnation games I played today had people just running off solo with zero situational awareness, not healing, etc. I feel like the scoreboard gives a convenient reason for it, but what else could be going on? Maybe a friend playing on their account? It's all very bizarre to me. I honestly think that for half the people playing like morons, the process involved with installing mods would be beyond them. Navigating folders, opening .bat files and editing text files? Not a chance. And it certainly doesn't explain it for anyone on console
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Shuka posted:Hell yeah ogryn and plasma goons fire it up! Thanks for the advice, hopped into a Heresy mission and it was good. It was tense. Was definitely actually using dodge, calling out targets and all that good stuff. Was a smooth run even when things started getting hairy. Only went down 1 to being chained knocked off a ledge. Just hit rank 25 and feeling great as a Gunlugger build. Now 4 in a row, all successful. I'm liking this Tiny Chalupa fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Dec 28, 2023 |
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withoutclass posted:I think it's an interesting topic overall. 2/3 damnation games I played today had people just running off solo with zero situational awareness, not healing, etc. I feel like the scoreboard gives a convenient reason for it, but what else could be going on? Maybe a friend playing on their account? It's all very bizarre to me. There's definitely been some "it's gotta be this person's little brother" going on. Or like a friend who came to hang out. I feel like I'd have newbies playing on a lower difficulty, but who knows.
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Scoreboard mod doesn't track lives saved pressing F as a dome psyker or a chant Zealot so it's a worthless engine for fueling protagonist lobby fantasies.
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I dont know how people play zealot. I feel like I'm constantly not quite good enough at things. Maybe the keystones make it shine
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Zealot keystones are a big deal, yeah. Piety gives you 25% crit chance basically all mission long, for example.
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https://i.imgur.com/FJ73n8Q.mp4 The character name is what really elevates this
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ZeusCannon posted:I dont know how people play zealot. I feel like I'm constantly not quite good enough at things. Maybe the keystones make it shine we had a long time experienced players on the tide discord hate zealot and leveling it and then they hit level 24-25 and hit the major damage talents and were like "oh, I get it"
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ZeusCannon posted:I dont know how people play zealot. I feel like I'm constantly not quite good enough at things. Maybe the keystones make it shine When leveling sprint slide dodge directly into groups of gunners to force them into melee. Your like maximum velocity man. Flamer is good as hell while getting it to 30
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SkyeAuroline posted:You can put that cat right back in the bag by banning anyone using a modified client from matchmaking, as should have been done from day 1. Want to use it in private games, be my guest. Nah because as much as scoreboard does make people act like morons, most other mods actively make the game a better experience
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My problem with zealot is clearly stealth is op as gently caress. Not even backstabs just having free repositions/aggrobreaking/toughness. To the point where i don’t want to use it.
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Homeless Friend posted:My problem with zealot is clearly stealth is op as gently caress. Not even backstabs just having free repositions/aggrobreaking/toughness. To the point where i don’t want to use it. you get way less toughness than charge or chorus though lol, and it requires an ability modifier to even get toughness back. It's very much the offense stealth as opposed to Vet's defensive stealth. Still a solid ability mind you but I always roll my eyes a little when I see a Zealot with it cause 90% of them how no idea how to actually make use of it.
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The scoreboard mod is great, if only it weren't for the scores. I love having it for the analytics, so I can track how effective changes to my build are. For anyone using it for that sort of purpose, I highly recommend getting the "improved scoreboard" mod which ditches a lot of the arbitrary score keeping poo poo and focuses more on breaking down the stats, so you can see your crit rate, weakspot hits, etc. Would be cool if it also had stuff like the amount of damage blocked by the Psyker bubble, but I'm guessing that info just isn't available.
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SkyeAuroline posted:You can put that cat right back in the bag by banning anyone using a modified client from matchmaking, as should have been done from day 1. Want to use it in private games, be my guest. You can take thr mod that gives the plasma gun a usable crosshair from my overheated dead hands
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