[P/I] Dear university students, my advice to you is to become familiar with the Quran

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Spaced God: Feb 8, 2014; All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!

Engorged Pedipalps posted:

It seems kinda insane to follow the US' direction in this context lmao

The guys threatening to raid your vessel have way more power here than the guys wringing their hands about damage to international norms

Yeah also AIS is super important for traffic and emergency information and really the only time you turn it off is if you're actively doing something illegal

# ? Dec 28, 2023 17:58

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Diamonds On MY Fish: Dec 10, 2008; I WAS BORN THIS WAY

hubris.height posted:

i am being driven insane by the work that is being successfully completed to establish anti-zionism as anti-semitism and it seems like a really lovely plan in the long haul

It's a very deliberate plan to confuse the idea of what actual antisemitism is, so actual antisemitism can fly under the radar, and when it gets really bad for Jews living in the Diaspora, the governments can say "Well, just to live over there, in YOUR country!"

# ? Dec 28, 2023 17:59

yellowcar: Feb 14, 2010

Engorged Pedipalps posted:

It seems kinda insane to follow the US' direction in this context lmao

The guys threatening to raid your vessel have way more power here than the guys wringing their hands about damage to international norms

what in the hell is the rationale behind turning your transponders off anyway

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:01

Al!: Apr 2, 2010

Engorged Pedipalps posted:

Lmao, holy poo poo @ that necklace, did they pull this guy off a flight that time travelled here from 2002???

he peaked when adult swim peaked in like 2015

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:03

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

israelis running so wild in jerusalem that the armenian church had to issue this

https://twitter.com/armenianquarter/status/1740341564847874551

wtf... 😳

here's some interesting poo poo - Israel is blaming "Arab Muslim men" for attacking. however, none of the Armenian media is saying this and they seem to blame settlers and Israelis.
Armenian Christians attacked in Jerusalem, some in serious condition

m.jpost.com posted:

Updated:
DECEMBER 28, 2023 18:43

## Patriarchate: "Armenian clerics in Jerusalem are fighting for their lives."

Over 30 armed provocateurs wearing ski masks and some carrying lethal weapons attacked a group of Armenian bishops, priests, deacons, and other citizens on Thursday morning in the Old City of Jerusalem, according to the Armenian Patriarchate.

"A mass and coordinated physical attack was launched," the Patriarchate wrote in an official letter to the Police and Israeli government, which the Jerusalem Post reviewed. "Several priests, students and indigenous Armenians are seriously injured."

The Police confirmed that it received the letter and said that arrests were made on both sides - both Armenians and Muslims who allegedly carried out the attack. No one has been officially charged, the Police said.

"There was an unfortunate incident where some Arab Muslim men and some men from the Armenian community got into a brawl in the old city of Jerusalem," Jerusalem Deputy Mayor Fleur Hassan-Nahoum told the Post. "Police came promptly to separate the parties, and arrests were on both sides.�

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"The city of Jerusalem will not tolerate any criminal activity, whether religiously motivated or otherwise, and the police will prosecute those responsible," she said.
### 'Existential threat' to the Armenian Patriarchate

The Patriarchate claimed that the attack was in response to its submission of a lawsuit to the District Court of Jerusalem for the Cows' Garden deal, which was officially received sometime on Wednesday.�

Last month, the Armenian Patriarchate filed a lawsuit to cancel an agreement made over two years ago by the Patriarchate to lease one-fourth of the Armenian Quarter to an Australian Jewish developer for 98 years. Once local and international Armenians understood what had happened, they began protesting, including holding a weekly vigil, to pressure the Patriarchate to cancel the deal.�

The deal became known as the Cows' Garden Land Deal because the developer was going to build a luxury hotel on the grounds of what is currently a parking lot on a plot of land with that name. The developer was also planning to take down several homes and a seminary to build.

The Patriarchate called on the government and Police to investigate the attack concerning the suit.�

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There was not yet any official reported connection; however, a source close to the situation told the Post that the broker of the land deal was an Arab Christian, and the Armenian community believes that he sent the attackers.

"The Armenian Patriarchate's existential threat is now a physical reality," the letter reads. "Armenian clerics in Jerusalem are fighting for their lives against impune provocateurs."

This is a developing story.

Armenian source:
8 out of 30 people who attacked Armenians in Jerusalem are detained

news.am posted:

Eight people who attacked the "Cows� Garden" in the Armenian Quarter of Jerusalem have been detained. Vigen Demirchyan, a member of the Armenian community in Jerusalem, told Armenian News-NEWS.am about this.

He confirmed that two Armenians were detained, too.

Demirchyan believes that this attack was organized by the security service of the company which has been trying to occupy the area of the "Cows� Garden" for a long time.

As we already informed, a group of terrorists in black clothes and masks, numbering about 30 people, armed with sticks, tear gas-grenades, and some other means on Thursday attacked the Armenians in the "Cows� Garden" area of the Armenian Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem in order to harm them, take them out of the area, and intimidate them. Also, these terrorists started throwing stones at Armenians.

The Armenian youth and the surprised Armenian clerics started a real battle against them, adequately responding and holding the area until the police officers�located 200 meters away�arrived late at the scene.

The attack has been stopped.

Two Armenians, however, were taken to the police.

The Armenian Patriarchate of Jerusalem informs that several priests, deacons, and students of the Armenian Theological Academy, as well as some local Armenians, were seriously injured.

"This is the criminal response we have received for filing a lawsuit with the Jerusalem District Court regarding the �Cows� Garden� issue, which was officially received by the court 24 hours ago," the patriarchate added, in particular.

another source:
Jerusalem's Armenian community fights to defend precious space in the Old City

www.thenationalnews.com posted:

Christmas is rarely this quiet in Jerusalem�s Old City. The war in Gaza has kept visitors from abroad away. Local Christians, most of whom are Palestinian, are choosing not to celebrate publicly as Gazans continue to be killed only 50 miles away.

The south-western corner of the Old City is different. In the car park of the Armenian Quarter, 10 men play cards loudly, smoke and boil soup in a plywood structure festooned with Armenian flags.

They belong to a community that has shrunk in recent decades to about only 1,000 people.

On a cold evening in December, the atmosphere was convivial but the raincoats and protective goggles hanging by the entrance indicate a far more serious side to their presence.

�Those are in case of pepper spray,� says Hagop Djernazian, a leader of the Save the Armenian Quarter movement.

Mr Djernazian and his fellow community members are guarding a plot of land that is the subject of a contentious property dispute, involving a private developer�s plan to build a hotel on the site, which makes up 25 per cent of the entire quarter.

The land in question encompasses the community's car park and the seminary. Activists say both are vital for the community's survival.

The deal would also hand over to developers a private garden for the Patriarch and a number of homes.

Most significant of all, the transaction would mean that a vast space in the Old City � one of the flashpoints of the Israel-Palestine conflict � would no longer be in the hands of local Christians, a community whose numbers and influence have been dwindling in recent decades.

Many fear that losing this particular area puts the Armenian community one step closer to extinction.

The struggle has pitted a local community, most of them the descendants of genocide survivors, against a confusing web of property dealers, allegedly corrupt church officials who signed off on the agreement and, seemingly, Israeli settlers.

If the deal goes through, Mr Djernazian says the community's very presence in the Old City is under threat. It would be another blow to Holy Land Christians, who have been leaving in droves in recent decades.

�We�ve been sleeping here for more than a month to guard the area 24/7, somewhere between six and 10 of us, depending on the day,� Mr Djernazian says.

�I�ve only slept in my house twice during the past month and a half.�

He now sleeps on camping equipment on top of the car park�s cold tarmac, much of it recently chewed up in a recent standoff.

The tent was set up after bulldozers and guards, some of them armed, turned up to the site in late October and began knocking down walls. They came the same day the Armenian Patriarch bowed to pressure from the community and signed a letter cancelling the original property deal that would have signed over the land to developers who plan to build the luxury hotel.

Danny Rothman, a figure at the heart of the deal about whom very little is known, was also there in October. Mr Rothman declined to comment on the reason for his presence and the property deal at the time.

He was met with a large crowd of community members, many of whom sit in the tent today. They are lying back on sofas, mostly relaxing, but occasionally leaving the warmth to survey a makeshift fence of rubble and barbed wire that protects the section of the car park most under threat.

Just outside the tent, a scraggly Christmas tree is planted in a large mound of yet more rubble. At the very top is another Armenian flag.

Weeks after the confrontation, a picture emerged of Mr Rothman appearing to sit with senior figures from Ateret Cohanim, a high-profile settler organisation that is behind the takeover of a number of non-Jewish properties in the Old City.

At the time of the last confrontation, The National spoke to Daniel Seidemann, an Israeli anti-settlement activist and lawyer, who said �the whole thing stinks�.

�I�ve said to my friends in the international community, ignore the legalities for now,� he said.

Speaking about the dangers of the surge in hostility in October, Mr Seidemann added: �There are hundreds of members of a community confronting armed [Israeli guards] with dogs and weapons. It�s on the brink of an explosion.

"The last thing we need is an eruption of convulsive violence in Jerusalem. Sort out the legal issues later � make this go away.�

The involvement of settlers is only one side of the story, however. The most bitter issue for those standing guard in the tent was how church authorities allowed this catastrophe to happen to the institution they are supposed to shepherd.

�The patriarchate is still not co-operating with our local and international legal teams,� Mr Djernazian says.

�This case will ultimately go to court and when that happens we need full transparency from the institution that signed the papers. That�s not happening, which is our biggest concern right now.�

For now, there is a sense among the local community that they are the ones who must shoulder the burden of protecting their heritage in the Holy Land this Christmas.

If they can keep doing so with the same level of enthusiasm, Mr Djernazian is optimistic the community will win.

"We have the will. We believe in this just struggle. I�d be even more optimistic if the patriarchate agreed to sit around the same table with out lawyers. But we know our strategy and the things we need to do as a community.�

Updated: December 22, 2023, 10:00 AM

another:
�We Won�t Leave�: Armenians in Jerusalem Push Back against Armed Settlers - The Armenian Mirror-Spectator

mirrorspectator.com - Fri, 01 Dec 2023 posted:

EAST JERUSALEM (Al Jazeera) � After learning that settlers had returned to bulldoze in an area of the parking lot near his house in the Armenian Quarter, 80-year-old Garo Nalbandian, a professional photographer, joined a community sit-in in the area known as the Cows� Garden with, of course, his trusty camera.

�We won�t leave,� a determined Nalbandian said gruffly in between snapping photos of Armenians on one side of the makeshift barricade and Israeli police and hired security on the other.

On October 26, the leader of the Armenian Patriarchate of Jerusalem announced it would cancel a once-secret 2021 land lease deal with a real estate company that has alleged links to settler interests.

Since then, representatives from the company, Xana Gardens, have sent contractors, armed settlers and bulldozers to seize the land � which, along with the parking lot, includes Armenian Church property and the homes of Nalbandian and four other families.

The 1,600-year-old Armenian community is concentrated in the confines of the Armenian Quarter, occupying 14 percent of the Old City of Jerusalem at its southwestern corner.

�You know all your neighbors. If I don�t have milk at 1am, I just knock on their door. If I don�t have bread, I call my friend,� said Setrag Balian, 26, one of the leaders of the current movement to reverse the land deal. �We take care of each other�s kids, of our families.�

This Armenian community � the oldest Armenian diaspora in the world � has seen its population decline from some 27,000 people a century ago to about 1,000 today.

Yet, with each attempted demolition, the community flocks in numbers at a moment�s notice, standing in the way of bulldozers while withstanding threats of arrest and armed intimidation.

Nalbandian�s family risks losing the home they�ve lived in since 1969, under the deal. Garo�s wife, Hrout, whose family has been in Jerusalem as far back as the 8th or 9th century, describes her sweet memories of the decades of getting engaged, married and raising kids in their modest one-story home.

�Wherever we walk, it�s like we are in Armenia,� she said. �We have like a big family for the Armenians. After so many years � to become homeless, this is very hard.�

Garo�s studio in Wadi al-Joz is adorned with breathtaking photos he has taken of streets and cities around the world, from Athens to Alexandria. �But our beautiful Armenian Quarter is like nowhere else,� Garo remarked. �We must protect it.�

A controversial deal

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The community�s suspicions of Israeli settler aspirations in the Cows� Garden started in 2019 when an Israeli company began construction on that same parking lot. At the time, the patriarchate told the community the aim was to renovate the lot, nothing more, but the parking lot�s April 2021 inauguration was curiously attended by Moshe Lion, the mayor of Jerusalem, and bedecked with enough Israeli flags to raise eyebrows.

The Armenian Patriarchate of Jerusalem � the community�s spiritual leadership, biggest employer and de facto landlord � struck a deal in July that year with Xana Gardens, a company incorporated that same month and led by the Australian Israeli investor Danny Rothman.

For two years, church leaders kept the community in the dark about the terms or even existence of the deal, despite persistent rumors. On April 1 this year, witnesses say, Rothman � also known in documents as Danny Rubenstein and Danny Kaufman � came to the Cows� Garden parking lot with security, breaking security cameras and dismissing patriarchate guards, claiming he was taking over.

As years of rumors and suspicions about the deal spilled into the open, Setrag Balian and Hagop Djernazian, 23, led the younger generation of Armenians in fighting the land takeover. Balian, who works for his family�s ceramics business, joined Djernazian, a student at Hebrew University, for months of protests near Armenian Patriarch Nourhan Manougian�s offices.

�I see myself creating my future here,� said Djernazian, who also leads the Armenian Scouts. �I study here, I work here, I live here. And this is my plan to continue living here. The deal threatens our continued existence here.�

A report in July this year by an international team of Armenian lawyers finally exposed the deal publicly.

In it, the patriarchate agreed to give Xana Gardens a 49-year lease � with an option to renew another 49 � of the Cows� Garden to build a luxury hotel.

Only Xana Gardens could cancel the agreement, which was for at least 11,500 square meters (123,785 square feet), but Xana could include �adjacent properties in the project�.

A plan submitted by Danny Rothman to the Jerusalem Municipality in May sought 14,500sq meters � not 11,500 � for the hotel, with a �target area� of 16,000sq meters (172,222sq feet), according to the report on the deal. Such an area would encompass 13 percent of the entire Armenian Quarter.

For this large swath of prized land on contested Mount Zion, Xana Gardens would pay only $300,000 in yearly rent.

Miran Krikorian, 40, a restaurant owner born and raised in the Armenian Quarter, says he pays nearly a quarter of that amount for only 30 square meters (323 square feet) he rents nearby for his small restaurant in the Christian Quarter.

�Either somebody got money under the table to pass this deal, or it�s just our people are so dumb that they don�t know the prices in this country,� said Krikorian.

Growing pressure, growing threats

For months, newly installed security guards from Xana Gardens threatened to ban community members from using the parking lot if they attended the protests, adding to threats church officials allegedly made towards individuals who protested. But the community refused to relent.

Pressure on the church to cancel the deal increased when Jordan and the Palestinian Authority withdrew their recognition of Patriarch Manougian in May, as they saw the deal threatening the status quo in the Old City, and amid concerns that stakeholders had not been consulted. The PA, Jordan and Israel are the three political authorities that endow recognition to the patriarchs in Jerusalem. The patriarchate did not respond to a request for comments.

�A lot of the younger generation had to learn through this ordeal why it�s important to stay in Jerusalem and why presence matters,� said Kegham Balian, Setrag�s brother and a Jerusalemite Armenian who has written and reported on the issue for Armenian news outlets such as 301.

Manougian�s decision to cancel the deal on October 26 put to rest the Armenian community�s internal divide on the issue. Later that same day, however, Israeli heavy machinery arrived at the disputed site to try to begin demolition.

Armenians rushed to the Cows� Garden, standing in front of machinery that was tearing up a pavement and a wall separating the patriarchate parking lot from the community parking lot.

Ten days later, on November 5, representatives from Xana Gardens, including Rothman, returned. This time, they brought about 15 settlers with them, several of them armed and leading leashed dogs.

�This is our land,� they reportedly told local Armenians. �Leave now.�

But the Armenians refused to leave. A tense standoff ensued for hours, with more settlers arriving and yet more Armenians joining, eventually overwhelming the armed settlers.

Some of the settlers attempted to provoke community members, residents said. �You�re all goys, and when the Messiah comes, you will die,� one of them told them.

�I will get you, one by one!� George Warwar, a Christian Arab from Jaffa who had been the face of Xana Gardens on the ground in the months leading up to the encounter, reportedly shouted.

This was the first time most in the community had encountered Rothman, who, when approached by journalists, has refused to speak to the media. According to Setrag Balian, Rothman, who normally lives overseas, told police during the standoff the community wanted to cancel the deal because he is Jewish.

�It�s because now you�re bringing armed settlers and showing the true face of your company,� Setrag Balian recalled telling Rothman that day. �It�s because this deal is not a good deal for the patriarchate.

�We�ve lived with our Jewish Quarter neighbors for 50 years without any major incidents,� he continued.

The act of peaceful defiance forced Rothman and his group to withdraw after several hours.

�Just by the look on Danny Rothman�s face,� said Kegham Balian, �you could tell he wasn�t expecting the events to unfold like they did that day.�

�It Did not Scare Us � It Empowered Us�

Negotiations are under way for the church to provide greater transparency regarding the administration of community lands and affairs, a key demand from protesters.

With the internal divide on the land agreement now set aside � and the war in Gaza drawing the world�s attention � Armenian residents say Xana Gardens� tactics are shifting to outright armed confrontation.

�They thought it would scare us,� said Setrag Balian of the armed threats. �But it didn�t scare us � it empowered us. We are more united than ever.�

Manougian, often criticized by Armenians for an absence in leadership, has been present during standoffs this month. A November 16 communique by the Armenian Patriarchate described the situation as �possibly the greatest existential threat of its 16-century history�, condemning the 2021 contract as �tainted with false representation, undue influence, and unlawful benefits�.

Armenians fear their small, tight-knit community won�t survive if they lose the Cows� Garden, which comprises much of the Armenian Quarter outside the Armenian Convent � a private area originally intended for clergy, but now housing many Armenians who moved there about a century ago in the aftermath of the Armenian Genocide.

The prized land is seen as pivotal to Israeli settler plans, as a long-term lease would complete a path for Jewish worshippers to cross the Old City from Jaffa Gate to the Jewish Quarter without crossing Christian properties, following previous purchases of the New Imperial Hotel and Petra Hotel along that route.

Since the first armed confrontation by Rothman and settlers, Armenians have been taking shifts at the Cows� Garden, where two bulldozers are parked.

Contractors hired by Xana Gardens attempted to bulldoze the area early in the morning on November 12 and 13. Both times, the community sprang into action, putting up a metal barricade on the 12 and, on the 13, standing in a bulldozer�s path.

The community has remained nonviolent throughout the confrontations, at the behest of movement leaders like Balian and Djernazian.

As demolition attempts by the company continue � including an incident on November 15 in which Palestinians hired by Xana Gardens to dismantle the barricade left when they realized they had been hired by settlers � the community remains resolute.

During the standoffs, police threatened to arrest Armenians, and several have been arrested for transgressions like shouting, according to community members. They were released the same day, but banned by police from returning to the area.

Police have attempted to enforce the bulldozing efforts � although they have failed so far with Xana Gardens unable to present the required permits � before the land deal finds its way to court to be adjudicated, as stakeholders expect to happen.

A rotating group of Armenians now sleeps in the Cows� Garden at night, and community members provide volunteers with food, tea, couches and even a tent for 24/7 surveillance.

�This has to do with the future of my kid,� said Krikorian of his four-year-old boy, his eyes welling with tears.

�If I think about all those things that my kid is going to lose, like this community, like being with his friends � I grew up in that, and I want him to have the same experiences.

�If I don�t do anything now, I�m going to lose it for him in the future.�

gee I wonder who could be doing this stuff!!

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:03

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

Diamonds On MY Fish posted:

It's a very deliberate plan to confuse the idea of what actual antisemitism is, so actual antisemitism can fly under the radar, and when it gets really bad for Jews living in the Diaspora, the governments can say "Well, just to live over there, in YOUR country!"

israeli government reading this and vigorously nodding along with it

their survival is dependent on many more millions of disapora jews "returning"

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:03

Diamonds On MY Fish: Dec 10, 2008; I WAS BORN THIS WAY

There's been all this talk in Judaism of saying that antizionist Jews shouldn't REALLY be considered Jews, even though we have a history spanning dozens of centuries of being antizionist. A ton of our halacha was built around living in the Diaspora.

What isn't really being talked about is why we should consider this loving JewBelong group to be Jewish, when they're openly proselytizing, which is a HUGE no-no

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:03

SuperKlaus: Oct 20, 2005; Fun Shoe

ContinuityNewTimes posted:

Don't worry we're all dumb as hell here

Poster's right though a primary purpose of threads like this is education. I have learned a lot here while ten years ago I probably would have shrugged and done a both sides on I/P

:justpost:

and D T I

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:05

Al!: Apr 2, 2010

Diamonds On MY Fish posted:

There's been all this talk in Judaism of saying that antizionist Jews shouldn't REALLY be considered Jews, even though we have a history spanning dozens of centuries of being antizionist. A ton of our halacha was built around living in the Diaspora.

What isn't really being talked about is why we should consider this loving JewBelong group to be Jewish, when they're openly proselytizing, which is a HUGE no-no

one of the founders wasnt raised as a jew, and doesnt practice judaism by the admission of the organization

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:06

Al!: Apr 2, 2010

lady stomped on a champaigne flute and decided it was time to be jewish

Jewbelong posted:

Stacy Stuart was born into a Jewish family with two Jewish parents. While she did attend plenty of Bar and Bat Mitzvahs growing up on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, this was largely the extent of her Jewish education. It wasn’t until 1994, when she got engaged to her also-Jewish but entirely secular husband, Gregg, that she decided to investigate Judaism, fueled by the desire to create a personal and meaningful wedding ceremony. She found a reform rabbi and a few helpful books and created a mostly-English, somewhat non-traditional ceremony that included many of the mainstays of a typical Jewish wedding.

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:07

SuperKlaus: Oct 20, 2005; Fun Shoe

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

israelis running so wild in jerusalem that the armenian church had to issue this

https://twitter.com/armenianquarter/status/1740341564847874551

Example of my own dumb thoughts

I wonder sometimes if Israel does poo poo like the Christmas raid on Bethlehem, the bombing of St. Porphyrios, etc. in hopes of provoking believers into issuing statements the hasbara can then seize upon and scream to the heavens about the Inquisition restarting or something

Like consider that dork who posted that anti Jew comment a few pages back

On the other hand that region of the world is so laden with sites of religious significance you can't really conduct a war of extermination without hitting religious sites

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:12

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

Al! posted:

lady stomped on a champaigne flute and decided it was time to be jewish

aiding genocide to deal with middle class malaise and imposter syndrome

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:12

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

mawarannahr posted:

wtf... 😳

here's some interesting poo poo - Israel is blaming "Arab Muslim men" for attacking. however, none of the Armenian media is saying this and they seem to blame settlers and Israelis.
Armenian Christians attacked in Jerusalem, some in serious condition

Armenian source:
8 out of 30 people who attacked Armenians in Jerusalem are detained

another source:
Jerusalem's Armenian community fights to defend precious space in the Old City

another:
�We Won�t Leave�: Armenians in Jerusalem Push Back against Armed Settlers - The Armenian Mirror-Spectator

gee I wonder who could be doing this stuff!!

Looks like the clerical elite of the Armenian Patriarchate have decided to pack it in and are liquidating their portfolio before going, seemingly, to Armenia. Another story of elite betrayal. I'd be looking at who already owns second homes or has a second passport

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:12

Godlessdonut: Sep 13, 2005

Al! posted:

lady stomped on a champaigne flute and decided it was time to be jewish

Ah so she's like one of those people who are "culturally" Christian but only possess a surface-level understanding of the religion.

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:13

Diamonds On MY Fish: Dec 10, 2008; I WAS BORN THIS WAY

Stomping on a glass during a wedding IS one of those things I mentioned about our halacha being specifically Diasporist! It symbolizes the destruction of the second temple and affirms us living in exile!

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:15

Al!: Apr 2, 2010

Godlessdonut posted:

Ah so she's like one of those people who are "culturally" Christian but only possess a surface-level understanding of the religion.

nah its even less than that, there are plenty of secular jews, who are still raised as jews. she decided late in life that she was jewish because genetically her parents are

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:16

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

SuperKlaus posted:

Example of my own dumb thoughts

I wonder sometimes if Israel does poo poo like the Christmas raid on Bethlehem, the bombing of St. Porphyrios, etc. in hopes of provoking believers into issuing statements the hasbara can then seize upon and scream to the heavens about the Inquisition restarting or something

Like consider that dork who posted that anti Jew comment a few pages back

On the other hand that region of the world is so laden with sites of religious significance you can't really conduct a war of extermination without hitting religious sites

Possibly. I think Israel is targeting Christians because the Israeli state considers the Christian presence to be just as odious as Islamic presence and is simply using the same playbook in progressively annihilating any non-jewish community

When israel says they are a jewish state they mean it

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:16

Pepe Silvia Browne: Jan 1, 2007

Diamonds On MY Fish posted:

Stomping on a glass during a wedding IS one of those things I mentioned about our halacha being specifically Diasporist! It symbolizes the destruction of the second temple and affirms us living in exile!

actually it's a fun thing to do that lets the crowd know the wedding is over

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:17

aBagorn: Aug 26, 2004

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

actually it's a fun thing to do that lets the crowd know the wedding is over

things can mean two things!

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:22

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

hold up, this book says South Africa should allow immigration of black Europeans to replace the black Africans of SA, creating a nation of a roughly even mixture of black and white, but all settlers from europe

that's loving crazy

the south african government pretended for a while that the nonwhite parts were coequal members of south africa ala an evil Yugoslavia.

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:22

The Oldest Man: Jul 28, 2003

bedpan posted:

Possibly. I think Israel is targeting Christians because the Israeli state considers the Christian presence to be just as odious as Islamic presence and is simply using the same playbook in progressively annihilating any non-~~jewish~~ zionist community

When israel says they are a jewish state they mean it zionist state

They will gently caress up jews living in israel who don't agree with zionism too!

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:22

Al!: Apr 2, 2010

Tankbuster posted:

the south african government pretended for a while that the nonwhite parts were coequal members of south africa ala an evil Yugoslavia.

also again its explicitly stated that the model for this kind of fascism is the united states

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:25

bedpan: Apr 23, 2008

The Oldest Man posted:

They will gently caress up jews living in israel who don't agree with zionism too!

excellent point

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:34

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
(and can't post for 27 days!)

if you know any IDF goons on this board give them a wellness check

https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1740389906055409909?s=20

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:35

Marenghi: Oct 16, 2008; Don't trust the liberals,
they will betray you

yellowcar posted:

what in the hell is the rationale behind turning your transponders off anyway

I'd guess the rationale for the US advising that is to give Israeli ships cover. If Israel turned their transponder off than it's easy to recognise their ships as the ones sailing silent. But if everyone is sailing silent it makes it harder for Yemen to determine who's Israeli and who isn't.

Nobody really seemed to mind AnsarAllah as long as the attacks don't affect them. America would love some European ships accidentally attacked so they could draw them into the coalition.

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:35

The Oldest Man: Jul 28, 2003

Marenghi posted:

I'd guess the rationale for the US advising that is to give Israeli ships cover. If Israel turned their transponder off than it's easy to recognise their ships as the ones sailing silent. But if everyone is sailing silent it makes it harder for Yemen to determine who's Israeli and who isn't.

Nobody really seemed to mind AnsarAllah as long as the attacks don't affect them. America would love some European ships accidentally attacked so they could draw them into the coalition.

Yeah it's the US blatantly trying to use un-involved shipping as a crumple zone for their genocidal client state's assets, so it should be pretty obvious why everyone is telling the US to go gently caress themselves over this.

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:38

SplitSoul: Dec 31, 2000

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

if you know any IDF goons on this board give them a wellness check

https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1740389906055409909?s=20

Roof knock wellness check.

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:38

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

bedpan posted:

Looks like the clerical elite of the Armenian Patriarchate have decided to pack it in and are liquidating their portfolio before going, seemingly, to Armenia. Another story of elite betrayal. I'd be looking at who already owns second homes or has a second passport

yeah... here's some background
Jerusalem Christians rally round Armenian Church over land deal

www.reuters.com - Sun, 19 Nov 2023 posted:

JERUSALEM, Nov 19 (Reuters) - The heads of the Christian Churches in Jerusalem issued a rare joint appeal at the weekend, warning that a contested land deal could erase the centuries-old presence of the Armenian community within the Old City.

The ethnic Armenian community has its own district within the ancient city of Jerusalem under borders drawn by Ottoman rulers - the smallest of the four quarters, which also include highly distinct Muslim, Jewish and Christian neighbourhoods.

However Armenians say they risk being uprooted by a deal to lease about 25% of their area to developers who want to build a luxury hotel on the site.

The deal was signed by the head of the Armenian Church in Jerusalem in July 2021, but members of his community said the first they heard of it was when surveyors started work in the area this year.

He has told his congregation that he was misled and has started legal action to get the contract annulled. The priest who brokered the accord on his behalf was defrocked by the Church Synod in May and he has left Jerusalem.

Despite the legal challenge, bulldozers arrived last week and started tearing up a carpark, which covers some of the contested land. When protesters blocked the work, armed Israeli Jewish settlers turned up in a failed effort to disperse the demonstration.

"The provocations that are being used by the alleged developers to deploy incendiary tactics threaten to erase the Armenian presence in the area, weakening and endangering the Christian presence in the Holy Land," the Christian leaders wrote, including the heads of the Greek Orthodox and Roman Catholic Churches.

The Armenian community says the investor behind the land lease deal is an Australian-Israeli businessman Danny Rubinstein, who owns a company registered in the United Arab Emirates - Xanax Capital Group. A company sign was posted in the parking lot shortly after the surveyors turned up.

Rubinstein did not respond to a request for a comment about the project sent via his Linked-In account.
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# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:43

Mr. Sharps: Jul 30, 2006; The only true law is that which leads to freedom. There is no other.

mawarannahr posted:

yeah... here's some background
Jerusalem Christians rally round Armenian Church over land deal

xanax capital group? oh gently caress off

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:49

Jel Shaker: Apr 19, 2003

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1740361127907717420?s=20

never heard of this guy before sorry

# ? Dec 28, 2023 18:53

Al-Saqr: Nov 11, 2007; One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Djibouti, the country on the other side of the bab al-mandab straight, supports the houthis and the palestinians

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Djibouti Foreign Minister: We did not condemn the ⁧‫houthi‬⁩ attacks because we consider them to be genuine relief for the Palestinians

https://x.com/ajarabic/status/1740424261351674240?s=46

# ? Dec 28, 2023 19:00

Jel Shaker: Apr 19, 2003

bedpan posted:

Looks like the clerical elite of the Armenian Patriarchate have decided to pack it in and are liquidating their portfolio before going, seemingly, to Armenia. Another story of elite betrayal. I'd be looking at who already owns second homes or has a second passport

nah the armenians, christians (orthodox, catholic etc) and muslims who are lucky to reside in jerusalem proper (not the shiny amerifat housing complexes around it) would sooner die than leave. often these guys will try to never step foot outside of the old city in case some pimply idf cop decides to arrest them and steal their house

# ? Dec 28, 2023 19:01

The Oldest Man: Jul 28, 2003

Al-Saqr posted:

Djibouti, the country on the other side of the bab al-mandab straight, supports the houthis and the palestinians

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Djibouti Foreign Minister: We did not condemn the ⁧‫houthi‬⁩ attacks because we consider them to be genuine relief for the Palestinians

https://x.com/ajarabic/status/1740424261351674240?s=46

State department scrambling with maps to figure out how they forgot to coup these guys

# ? Dec 28, 2023 19:07

hubris.height: Jan 6, 2005; Pork Pro

mawarannahr posted:

wtf... 😳

here's some interesting poo poo - Israel is blaming "Arab Muslim men" for attacking. however, none of the Armenian media is saying this and they seem to blame settlers and Israelis.
Armenian Christians attacked in Jerusalem, some in serious condition

Armenian source:
8 out of 30 people who attacked Armenians in Jerusalem are detained

another source:
Jerusalem's Armenian community fights to defend precious space in the Old City

another:
�We Won�t Leave�: Armenians in Jerusalem Push Back against Armed Settlers - The Armenian Mirror-Spectator

gee I wonder who could be doing this stuff!!

thanks for putting this together

# ? Dec 28, 2023 19:07

ro5s: Dec 27, 2012; A happy little mouse!

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

if you know any IDF goons on this board give them a wellness check

https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1740389906055409909?s=20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnyBJJI2eqs

# ? Dec 28, 2023 19:07

Sancho Banana: Aug 4, 2023; Not to be confused with meat.

The biggest lunatics in the Knesset are making GBS threads their pants again

https://twitter.com/N12News/status/1740429126732042550?t=w_kZWcy5L1JBGdnUtL0L3A&s=19

quote:

A coalition crisis during the the war: The state-security cabinet will meet tonight (Thursday) in The Kirya in Tel Aviv, and at the meeting this time Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is expected to raise the issue of "the day after" in the Gaza Strip. This decision has led to great anger among the members of the Religious Zionist party who decided to hold an urgent faction meeting due to the discussion on the issue - which they claim was done without authority.

Officials in [the party] define Netanyahu's conduct as a "mega event" from a political standpoint. Those around the prime minister confirmed that the issue will be brought to the decision of the state-security cabinet this evening. More was written around Netanyahu: "The Prime Minister made it clear that the day after, Hamas won't be in the Gaza Strip [good luck with that, Hitler] - neither Hamastan nor Fatahstan."

Political officials said this evening: "The report on Channel 12 news about the holding of the discussion on the day after [the war] puts the coalition in a spin. The Religious Zionist party doesn't know how to live with a 'day after' discussion in the cabinet. This is a discussion about policy and Oslo 2. The feeling is that the right-wing government is turning into a center-left government tonight. Remember this evening."

# ? Dec 28, 2023 19:07

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/1740361127907717420?s=20

isn't this the guy who was in "The Other Guys" talking about Arnold Palmers?

# ? Dec 28, 2023 19:13

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
(and can't post for 27 days!)

Sancho Banana posted:

The biggest lunatics in the Knesset are making GBS threads their pants again

https://twitter.com/N12News/status/1740429126732042550?t=w_kZWcy5L1JBGdnUtL0L3A&s=19

What the gently caress are they even complaining about?