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QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Douche4Sale posted:

I guess for context, I just moved into my first house after years of renting, so I'm probably hyper active on this stuff.

I can't recall the statistics, but the amount of fires due to lint in the dryer vents was shockingly high and it isn't that much of a pain for me; maybe 30 minutes of effort.

Cleaning the fridge coils was another one where after learning how significantly it can impact the longevity of the fridge.

It takes me about 2 hours, the outdoor side of the vent is under our deck so it's a real pain to get in there with a drill and my shop vac.

Something I've been meaning to do is vacuuming out our ceiling vents in the bathrooms. We have one that has a light fixture built into it, and I can see there's dust clumping up there - I doubt it has ever been cleaned since the last renovation. It's not a fire hazard like the dryer vent is, but I bet the fans will work a bit better afterwards!

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Muir
Sep 27, 2005

that's Doctor Brain to you
Noticed water dripping out from around the can light in the ceiling of our finished basement, from directly under our bathtub. In the house for which all the plumbing was redone 6 years ago.

Pulling out the light can, I can just see some damp wood, the tub drain is in on the other side of the joist from the light. It wasn't a ton of water but enough to drip a small puddle. The tub itself is quite old so I suppose it's possible the connection from the tub drain itself to the drain pipe has a small leak now? Waiting for a callback from the plumber, and in the meantime I ordered a borescope to see what I can see down the tub drain from that end.

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



CarForumPoster posted:

Obligatory: You either DIY a hero or live long enough to become the Gary.


This tracks.

I've been in my house since 1992. I have been amazed at the hack poo poo I've done found and re-done properly

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



Muir posted:

Noticed water dripping out from around the can light in the ceiling of our finished basement, from directly under our bathtub. In the house for which all the plumbing was redone 6 years ago.

Pulling out the light can, I can just see some damp wood, the tub drain is in on the other side of the joist from the light. It wasn't a ton of water but enough to drip a small puddle. The tub itself is quite old so I suppose it's possible the connection from the tub drain itself to the drain pipe has a small leak now? Waiting for a callback from the plumber, and in the meantime I ordered a borescope to see what I can see down the tub drain from that end.

it's either the drain, the mixer (hot, cold or both), the shower pipe, or the seal on the walls/tub. Based on the location, it's likely the drain or the tub surround seals.

To test:

Drain (do this one first): fill tub with water from the faucet with the drain closed. Open drain & check for leaks.

If none: then,

Tub surround: Run the shower & play it on the walls. Check for leaks.

Mixer: open hot & cold, leave running, check for leaks. This is easier if you have an access panel.

Shower line: Divert to shower, shooting directly into the tub. Check of leaks.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

PainterofCrap posted:

This tracks.

I've been in my house since 1992. I have been amazed at the hack poo poo I've done found and re-done properly

Younger me does not care about future me. E.g. writing code, there's no worse programmer than me, six months ago. I like our house tho and have tried to "fix it like we'll be here 30 years". That said, this dock aint gonna make it 15 years with these piers and there will be a full up replace at that point so ground rated pressure treated it is and if I get 10 years I'll be happy.

Muir
Sep 27, 2005

that's Doctor Brain to you

PainterofCrap posted:

it's either the drain, the mixer (hot, cold or both), the shower pipe, or the seal on the walls/tub. Based on the location, it's likely the drain or the tub surround seals.

To test:

Drain (do this one first): fill tub with water from the faucet with the drain closed. Open drain & check for leaks.

If none: then,

Tub surround: Run the shower & play it on the walls. Check for leaks.

Mixer: open hot & cold, leave running, check for leaks. This is easier if you have an access panel.

Shower line: Divert to shower, shooting directly into the tub. Check of leaks.

Thank you for this! I ran the faucet to put some (much less than a full tub) water in. The insulation around the light can felt dry during this step. Then I removed the drain plug and the insulation did feel damp. So I suppose it is the drain. I’m not sure, then, if it’s the drain line, or could it be the seal around where the drain meets the tub surface? It is an old tub and that part looks chipped: https://imgur.com/RcccuoG

I also noticed that the joist bay under the tub (the one next to the joist bay with the light can that was dripping) has a noticeable crack along it (to the right of the can light here https://imgur.com/WWUXlEU) though I don’t feel any moisture when I touch that crack (lol). Is that just settling/shifting (I’m in California and we’ve had moderate quakes in the six years since the basement was finished) or is it potentially a sign of the water leak?

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

im hesitant to call that a crack. that just looks like a lovely drywall patch job/joint. i have a number of worse looking ones in my house on the walls

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


CarForumPoster posted:

Just bitching:

I'm "resurfacing" my dock. I was quoted >$20K by two contractors and the total DIY was like $3K so guess who is someones future gary. I've now made it to the bottom half of the nail box so 500+ nails (at almost $0.25/stainless nail!), 6 sistered joists and one total joist replacement that a bat jumped out of. That joist was so rotted that I was able to simply rip most of it off the boards it was previously nailed to.

The bat was literal flying mouse thing not like, a baseball bat was wedged under my dock by the previous gary.

My hands hurt.

When I first read this, I read it as your dock was submerged and you were raising it back to the surface

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



Muir posted:

Thank you for this! I ran the faucet to put some (much less than a full tub) water in. The insulation around the light can felt dry during this step. Then I removed the drain plug and the insulation did feel damp. So I suppose it is the drain. I’m not sure, then, if it’s the drain line, or could it be the seal around where the drain meets the tub surface? It is an old tub and that part looks chipped: https://imgur.com/RcccuoG

If it's nothing else, then you could remove the drain assembly with a drain wrench and load it up with plumber's putty.

Muir posted:

I also noticed that the joist bay under the tub (the one next to the joist bay with the light can that was dripping) has a noticeable crack along it (to the right of the can light here https://imgur.com/WWUXlEU) though I don’t feel any moisture when I touch that crack (lol). Is that just settling/shifting (I’m in California and we’ve had moderate quakes in the six years since the basement was finished) or is it potentially a sign of the water leak?

As Hadlock said: That's a poorly-taped seam between two sheets of drywall, either two full sheets, or an old repair access from a prior leak. It's hard to tell from the knockdown finish on the ceiling, but if it was leaking you would see stains along the crack. It's common for this area to have prior patches from previous leak issues; one of the joys of indoor plumbing.

Insulation can complicate discovery as the absorbent qualities will retard discovery for a bit.

PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Dec 28, 2023

Muir
Sep 27, 2005

that's Doctor Brain to you

PainterofCrap posted:

If it's nothing else, then you could remove the drain assembly with a drain wrench and load it up with plumber's putty.

I'll get a drain wrench and see if that does it, as a first attempt. Thanks!

PainterofCrap posted:

As Hadlock said: That's a poorly-taped seam between two sheets of drywall, either two full sheets, or an old repair access from a prior leak. It's hard to tell from the knockdown finish on the ceiling, but if it was leaking you would see stains along the crack. It's common for this area to have prior patches from previous leak issues; one of the joys of indoor plumbing.

Just poorly taped on the initial install, then -- we're the ones who had the basement finished, and I know that it hasn't been cut open since then.

The Dave
Sep 9, 2003

I should have paid more attention during any recent appliance chats, what a pain in the rear end now that I have to order fridge/oven/mw/dishwasher. I know there’s no reason to do it but I would like to just stick with one brand and I’m thinking going Bosch 500/800 for everything.

Before doing any research I thought GE Profile was safe but sounds like they’re pretty junky now that they’re outsourced. I actually really like the look of the white GE Cafe line but don’t trust it either.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

The Dave posted:

I should have paid more attention during any recent appliance chats, what a pain in the rear end now that I have to order fridge/oven/mw/dishwasher. I know there’s no reason to do it but I would like to just stick with one brand and I’m thinking going Bosch 500/800 for everything.

Before doing any research I thought GE Profile was safe but sounds like they’re pretty junky now that they’re outsourced. I actually really like the look of the white GE Cafe line but don’t trust it either.

You should pick up a consumer reports membership for a month just to get access to all of the information that they provide. A lot of GE models were still getting good reviews when I was shopping for appliances earlier this year. Every brand has poo poo models so it's important to know what models you want rather than assuming that 1 brand is going to be good across the board

Using one brand for everything in an order can sometimes come with extra rebates, YMMV. I found the same rebates being offered the month of memorial day and the month of labor day with only the "valid dates" range getting updated (to cover the whole month), I don't know how many months may offer this kind of thing but it's worth looking.

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

Shifty Pony posted:

Also, what is everyone else's big year end annual maintenance checklist?

As in the stuff we need to do before year end, or the stuff we have left to do as of year end?

Both those lists are uncomfortably long, and I expect many items on the first to move into the second...

But the big one in the first category is running topping off the well salt, which I forgot to do on time last time.


In other news...
trying to get my kitchen situation resolved has left me in the position where I just want to tear out and replace the goddamn kitchen. There's so much that is just... wrong, in one way or another, to more or less serious degrees. At least the counter with the sink in it, including the dishwasher. I have a sneaky feeling if I do I'm going to find a lot of rot warning signs in the floorboards underneath, because this was absolutely done wrong.

The big problem is I can't find anyone willing to actually touch the counter for god knows what reason, and to be honest it just... sucks, anyway. And I'm beginning to question why even bother having one?

I'm thinking I'll tear it out, replace it with a free standing kitchen sink and drying rack. Can get a really nice one for what, $500 bucks? Then a free standing drying rack to replace the dishwasher I can't actually use, and turn the rest of the space into a frame where I can hang pans and poo poo. Don't have to deal with counter people if I don't have any counters.

The thing is, I've never seen anyone with this sort of stuff in their home - I've used it plenty, but never in a personal residence. Is it just aesthetics, or is this some practical reason people always fill their homes with woodish cupboards and stone countertops?

(I'll still be keeping the countertops in the food prep area, this is just the dishwashing space)

GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Dec 29, 2023

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question, but generally I want more counterspace rather than less, including in areas that aren't right next to the stove. Some of that space is for countertop appliances, some of it's for prep and cooking, some of it's for storage (I like to keep small amounts of sugars and flours in some nice opaque jars on the countertop, a bowl for fruit, stuff like that). The sink is part of food prep too, it's nice having counterspace next to it. And it's a place for dirty dishes to sit prior to getting washed; sometimes things don't all fit in the sink. Stone vs wood doesn't matter much to me, but I know some people like the look of stone, and that's why so many wood countertops often try to look like stone. Wood costs less.

Inept
Jul 8, 2003

QuarkJets posted:

You should pick up a consumer reports membership for a month just to get access to all of the information that they provide.

lots of libraries give you online access for free. some of them even just put their user name and password on their website!

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

QuarkJets posted:

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question, but generally I want more counterspace rather than less

Actual counterspace is great. I would not consider the inches of counterspace that wrap around an inset sink to be particularly useful for anyone, though? There is no perceptible value add for me there.

I'm just frustrated at this need for some impossible to loving find counter specialist (whatever they may be called) to fix literally anything that's wrong or replace it with a sink that doesn't suck because it's a loving inset sink instead of some freestanding sink I can just easily fix or replace if there's a problem. None of this time or money seems remotely worth a couple extra inches of counterspace that isn't even usable for anything, and the potential for hidden damage I can't see happening as a result of it. If anything, most freestanding sinks I've seen come with better surfaces for most of what you mentioned anyway.

Most people don't seem to see the need to wrap their stove in countertop (although I have seen that sometimes too), it's not like this idea of having something freestanding is novel or anything.

GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Dec 30, 2023

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

GlyphGryph posted:

Actual counterspace is great. I would not consider the inches of counterspace that wrap around an inset sink to be particularly useful for anyone, though? There is no perceptible value add for me there.

I'm just frustrated at this need for some impossible to loving find counter specialist (whatever they may be called) to fix literally anything that's wrong or replace it with a sink that doesn't suck because it's a loving inset sink instead of some freestanding sink I can just easily fix or replace if there's a problem. None of this time or money seems remotely worth a couple extra inches of counterspace that isn't even usable for anything, and the potential for hidden damage I can't see happening as a result of it. If anything, most freestanding sinks I've seen come with better surfaces for most of what you mentioned anyway.

Most people don't seem to see the need to wrap their stove in countertop (although I have seen that sometimes too), it's not like this idea of having something freestanding is novel or anything.

So you seem to be concerned with rot, etc. Besides looks, the reason people use countertops with drop in appliances is ease of cleaning and nowhere for dirt/grease/water to end up in places where it can't be cleaned.

It's not clear to me what a "freestanding sink" is, other than a laundry sink or what kind of "counter specialist" would be required.

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.
If I knew what kind of "counter specialist" I needed, it would certainly make things a ton easier. But every single plumber, handyman, and other similar person has said they won't touch the sink because it would require doing stuff with the counters and they don't do stuff with counters. I have not actually been able to figure out who does do stuff with counters, which is a big part of why I want to just tear the ones around the sink out.

A freestanding sink is just... a sink that stands on it's own?
https://www.amazon.com/Free-standin...=A13XSJ9UD1GA51
https://www.amazon.com/Stainless-St...QB5Y771P5F&th=1
https://www.wayfair.com/home-improvement/pdp/denfer-358-l-x-213-w-free-standing-bar-sink-with-faucet-dnfe2719.html

That sort of stuff. A nice bonus is that it would be easy to buy one deep enough to comfortable wash pots in, which I'm genuinely not sure how you're supposed to do in most kitchen sinks.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Motronic posted:

or what kind of "counter specialist" would be required.

Yeah, putting in countertops isn't rocket science. Don't get me wrong, if I'm paying a few thousand for a nice piece of marble I'm also going to pay for people who aren't me to lift that heavy fucker up there with proper tools and be the ones responsible if they gently caress up and break it, but if you're cheap/handy/have strong friends/use materials other than monolithic chunks of stone it's not impossible. Ultimately it's putting the lid on a box and then doing whatever dealing/adhering is necessary to keep it put and keep water and grime from pooling in cracks.

If it's a counter you give very little fucks about you can just fix it however the hell you want. I've got a lovely laminate countertop that had some water damage and I just cut big squares of the laminate off with a chisel, chiseled out the damaged fiberboard, filled the voids with epoxy, epoxied the laminate chunks back on, and then caulked the new seams. Does it look like utter poo poo? Absolutely. Did it kick the can down the road for a couple of years while I figure out what I'm replacing that EOL countertop with? Yup.

Likewise for installing a new sink. The biggest challenge is going to be one that fits your existing cut out, but even that's not some insurmountable obstacle if you have a counter worth saving.

Really not sure what you're talking about with invisible water damage if you have a sink in a counter, though. Do you mean under the sink? Like you won't know if there's a leak? Because usually that's pretty evident by the giant puddle of water in your kitchen.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

GlyphGryph posted:


That sort of stuff. A nice bonus is that it would be easy to buy one deep enough to comfortable wash pots in, which I'm genuinely not sure how you're supposed to do in most kitchen sinks.

You've been looking at lovely kitchen sinks. There are tons that are deep enough for this. Google "farmhouse style sink" and look at pics, but that's just one type of many.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

GlyphGryph posted:

If I knew what kind of "counter specialist" I needed, it would certainly make things a ton easier. But every single plumber, handyman, and other similar person has said they won't touch the sink because it would require doing stuff with the counters and they don't do stuff with counters.

Honestly this sounds to me like everyone you're talking to isn't interested in your job because you're just replacing the sink, and that's pretty cheap. This is their polite way of telling you to gently caress off unless you're willing to pay them to do a full countertop+sink renovation at a minimum, which is more expensive. Or there's something just massively hosed with your counter or kitchen in general that makes the work more of a pain in the rear end than they want to deal with.

If you just want to install a sink that's well within the realm of doable on your own.

edit: are your counters salvageable? how bad are they? I really feel like there's something I'm missing here. "I want new counters and a new sink" is a super basic request and there are entire industries dedicated to convincing you that you need to do exactly that way too often.

Cyrano4747 fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Dec 30, 2023

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Ahhhhh yes, restaurant equipment in a residential kitchen. A truly reasonable choice.

Look, you sound obviously frustrated. You also don't seem to actually know much about what you're looking for or need. Maybe start with that.

I'm going to guess from context and the words you are using that you have an undermount sink on a marble or other stone countertop and that the mounting brackets that hold it up to the bottom of the counter has failed. This is as opposed to a drop in sink, where the sink fits through a hole in the counter and will hang on its own when put through the top.

Does this sound like the issue you are having? And if it is, just WHAT is wrong with the mounting? If no one will touch it it may be for a good reason like the existing countertop is too far gone to make it work properly. In which case you need to ask other questions like "what if we replace the sink with a drop in" or perhaps replace the entire counter top if that's a thing you want to do.

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.
The sink is attached to a thin stone countertop from underneath via some sort of adhesive attachment points and is currently held up by 2x4s since apparently the adhesive sink holders it's compatible with don't actually work worth a drat. I asked a couple people about switching to a different sink type, they said it would not work with the countertop, and they would not work with the countertop, and I needed to find someone who was willing to, which I have been unable to do after several months of effort. (Edit: I have been able to find someone willing to replace the whole section of the kitchen as part of an actual remodel, but I'd rather not do that)

I don't see what's so unreasonable about wanting a sink that's just a sink and where I don't have to deal with all this bullshit. And restaurant stuff both works and is pleasant to use, I've used it plenty and never had to deal with any of the frustrations I have had with various apartment sinks and this new house sink. I can also throw this worthless dishwasher next to it in the trash and get a nice drying rack too.

GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Dec 30, 2023

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

GlyphGryph posted:

, they said it would not work with the countertop, and they would not work with the countertop, and I needed to find someone who was willing to, which I have been unable to do after several months of effort.

Are you looking for someone to repair your existing countertop or replace it?

It might be that you have some fucky, weird, dumb countertop and you just need to replace it. I'd start by talking to the sort of places that do countertop installs and find out your options. Warning: they are going to want to sell you a new countertop. No one makes money repairing that kind of thing.

Literally just google <your town, State countertops" and you'll find tons of people in your local area very willing to take your money in exchange for putting in countertops.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

GlyphGryph posted:


I don't see what's so unreasonable about wanting a sink that's just a sink and where I don't have to deal with all this bullshit. I can also throw this worthless dishwasher next to it in the trash and get a nice drying rack too.

You seem to be OK with having a commercial kitchen in your house. Most people aren't. The answer to why appliances (including sinks( get put in with wrap-around counters is aesthetics. That's what our society has, by and large, decided is attractive.

Is this bullshit? Maybe. There are arguably some benefits when it comes to cleaning but, sure, at the end of the day any aesthetic convention is just a dumb social construct and can be dismissed if you think it's dumb. If you think its dumb then hey, it's your house, do what you want with it. Customizing your living space to fit your specific needs and desires is one of the huge arguments in favor of home ownership. I've got a bunch of very much not-trending shelves attached to my walls because gently caress it, I like shelves, HGTV and realtors can go gently caress themselves. Real shelves, not floating bullshit that you put a single decorative candle and a live, laugh, love picture frame on. Let your freak flag fly, get the countertop-less commercial kitchen of your dreams.

Is having a commercial sink in your kitchen going to gently caress up resale? Absolutely. Because at the end of the day it's going to narrow down the pool of people who think your house is move in ready, and most people are going to price in the cost of ripping out your sink and putting in what they consider normal counters and appliances.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

GlyphGryph posted:

I don't see what's so unreasonable about wanting a sink that's just a sink

What you have is "just a sink". As noted, there are other styles of residential sinks as well that wouldn't require under counter attachments and would be deeper. Part of the "not deep enough" issue is also going to related to your faucet.

Your proposed solution is putting commercial kitchen equipment into a residential kitchen. That is what is unreasonable. I'm not sure how you don't recognize that. There are issues from code to "what the hell is this" to how dirty/ugly it will look nearly immediately unless you wipe down the entire thing daily and detail strip your kitchen once a week like a commercial kitchen.

There are any number of solutions to your issues, many of which someone of average abilities can do on their own, such as under sink mount epoxy repair kits. You don't appear to be looking for actual solutions though so I'll leave it at that.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Motronic posted:

Part of the "not deep enough" issue is also going to related to your faucet.

hey, related to all of this, is there a formula or rule of thumb etc. for sizing an appropriate faucet for a kitchen sink?

Our sink loving sucks, part of it is that it is legit not deep enough, but this is badly exacerbated by having a garbage faucet that sits way, way too low. Rinsing a dish is just asking to pour water on the floor.

As mentioned up-thread the counters are EOL, and the cabinets are from the 90s, so we're just kicking this down the road a bit until we redo the whole thing. I've considered installing a new faucet to make it livable for a year or two, max, but I'm looking for the absolutely cheapest way to do it. No way I'm installing an actual nice faucet in this garbage kitchen just to end up in the dumpster when we renovate it.

Is there a way to size an appropriate faucet, or is it just down to buying one that I feel like is probably high enough?

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

The commercial kitchen inspired "pre rinse" style are great for making up for a sink that's too shallow: https://www.lowes.com/pd/KOHLER-Eal...uded/1002956528

But you can probalby improve your life (temporarily) with a $100 no name pull down spray type as well: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Project-Source-Stainless-Steel-1-Handle-Deck-Mount-Pull-Down-Handle-Lever-Residential-Kitchen-Faucet/1000192395

I don't think you'll find any residential kitchen faucet that starts out "too tall" for your sink (i.e. would make a mess on the counter with it in the normal position) if that's what you're worried about.

You can absolutely make that mistake if you go shopping for pre-rinse faucets at say, the webstaurant store.

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

Motronic posted:

The commercial kitchen inspired "pre rinse" style are great for making up for a sink that's too shallow: https://www.lowes.com/pd/KOHLER-Eal...uded/1002956528

I find this pretty funny as a followup post to you explaining how putting commercial hardware in a residential kitchen is unreasonable.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

GlyphGryph posted:

I find this pretty funny as a followup post to you explaining how putting commercial hardware in a residential kitchen is unreasonable.

You missed the entire point he was making about commercial cleaning, didn't you?

That's commercial-styled home stuff.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Motronic posted:

The commercial kitchen inspired "pre rinse" style are great for making up for a sink that's too shallow: https://www.lowes.com/pd/KOHLER-Eal...uded/1002956528

Yeah, that's a nice fix but about $150 more than I'm willing to throw at this problem.

quote:

But you can probalby improve your life (temporarily) with a $100 no name pull down spray type as well: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Project-Source-Stainless-Steel-1-Handle-Deck-Mount-Pull-Down-Handle-Lever-Residential-Kitchen-Faucet/1000192395

That's about what I was already thinking, thanks. I just didn't know if there was a set rule about a ratio of height to depth etc. that I'm ignorant of.

The replacement faucet is going to be the most garbage, builder grade, slumlord-tier poo poo I can find. I fully expect it to end up in a dumpster before anything has a chance to wear out.

The Dave
Sep 9, 2003

GlyphGryph posted:

I find this pretty funny as a followup post to you explaining how putting commercial hardware in a residential kitchen is unreasonable.

This might surprise you but your post is actually the funny post!

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Cyrano4747 posted:

You missed the entire point he was making about commercial cleaning, didn't you?

That's commercial-styled home stuff.

Ok, less rear end in a top hat and snarky:

Look at this pic of a commercial kitchen.



Notice the gently caress off big drain in the floor? That's because it's considered a wet room. Everything in there can be quite literally hosed off, and when it's time for this:

Motronic posted:

how dirty/ugly it will look nearly immediately unless you wipe down the entire thing daily and detail strip your kitchen once a week like a commercial kitchen.

That's more or less what they're doing. Those big gaps you see under things like the sinks and the grill are in large part there so that everything is accessible for cleaning as easily as possible. Note that this leaves a lot of small nooks and crannies, though. This is mop, bucket, and bleach-soaked rag cleaning. The kind of thing where you're employing a lot of under-paid labor to knock it out, and the only reason you're doing THAT is because of laws and health inspectors that require you to keep a sanitary food prep area.

Now think about the typical home kitchen.



No one's doing any of that poo poo. Even non-goons who aren't slobs and keep a clean house aren't going to clean their personal kitchen to the level that is required by law if you are making food for the public. So the emphasis is put on simple, easy to clean surfaces. Big, flat countertops that can be wiped clean easily. Hell, that pic is less than ideal because the more modern approach is for a glass topped oven that sits flush with the counter so it's really still one continuous surface for cleaning - those type of oven tops have a lot of issues, but the main improvement vs. the older exposed coil or burner style is in cleaning.

Going back to one of the sinks you linked:



How often are you going to be on your hands and knees under the sink cleaning it? That's a pretty trivial thing to do in a commercial kitchen where you can go at it with a mop or even a sprayer because you're on a tiled floor that slopes to a drain. It's a cleaning nightmare in a normal kitchen unless you're OK with it being visibly dusty and filthy.

As an aside, see also: why those open-faced dish cabinets that became a thing for a hot second were so dumb.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Cyrano4747 posted:

I'd start by talking to the sort of places that do countertop installs and find out your options. Warning: they are going to want to sell you a new countertop. No one makes money repairing that kind of thing.

Literally just google <your town, State countertops" and you'll find tons of people in your local area very willing to take your money in exchange for putting in countertops.

This is the answer to your problem, though. Unless you're leaving out the part where you live in rural Amazonia or something else really odd, I'll loving guarantee that there is someone near you who is willing to install new countertops for money.

If you are dead set on keeping your existing ones and no one is willing to try and repair them (probably because of it being a cheap job) then in your shoes I'd just fix it myself. Epoxy the gently caress out of the sink so it stays put. I'm a gross goon so I'd also be open to just drilling holes through the countertop and putting in bolts to hold it up, much like I'm taking a chisel to my current one. That's a thing you do if you're planning on getting rid of it in a few years and don't care how it looks in the meantime, though.

But I'm willing to bet that if epoxy held those brackets on once, an irresponsible over-application of more epoxy can put it back. This is all deep into how you become someone else's Gary down the road, but if you're set on keeping that counter and no one else will fix the sink, it's a way to get over this hurdle.

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

Cyrano4747 posted:

You missed the entire point he was making about commercial cleaning, didn't you?

I will admit that I'm not sure how a free standing sink is inherently so much more work to clean, or why that wouldn't apply to the faucet linked which seems, at a glance, like it would be pretty hard to keep clean. The examples I included were just to illustrate the concept of a free standing sink since they claimed to be unfamiliar with the concept - there are, believe it or not, more aesthetically appealing residential options I was able to find, that was just the first results from google.

But fine, I'm the only one amused by a post about putting commercial style stuff in a residential kitchen is inherently and obviously unreasonable, followed up by a suggestion to buy what is essentially a commercial faucet for your residential kitchen. I get it, I'm the idiot here, who apparently doesn't want to fix their problems anyway.

Whatever.

I will probably just get the countertops and sink and all that replaced, that does seem like something I could find someone to do at least, or I'll do something hacky, even if ultimately what I really want is just for someone to fix or replace the sink itself. It's just been frustrating enough that "what can I do to not find myself in this situation again" seems appealing.

GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Dec 30, 2023

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

Lowe’s will definitely do it :shrug:

My dad legitimately lives in the rear end end of nowhere and they still did it.

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

Sirotan is a seal.


Some photos of the issue would help I think but there are plenty of solutions for supporting undermount sinks. There are brackets that attach to the cabinet instead of the counter (like this, linking as an example not an endorsement). Removing the existing and installing a drop-in sink should also be fine assuming your countertops aren't rotting or something. If they are, get them replaced. Even Home Depot can manage a task like that, you don't necessarily have to replace your cabinets at the same time.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

GlyphGryph posted:

But fine, I'm the only one amused by a post about putting commercial style stuff in a residential kitchen is inherently and obviously unreasonable, followed up by a suggestion to buy what is essentially a commercial faucet for your residential kitchen.

You probably intentionally got those two things backwards. The faucet is a residential kitchen faucet that is commercial style inspired. It is in no way a commercial kitchen faucet. The freestanding sink is straight up commercial. Not commercial style. There is no "commercial inspired" residential version of a free standing sink due to previously and exhaustively stated reasons.

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.
I'll be honest, I have not checked Lowes or Home depot for the labour for installing a new sink, and did not realize that was even an option. So maybe I'll do that. Thanks.

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Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


You can get cheap-rear end WHARGARBL brand pre-rinse style designs for $100 or less if you want.

https://a.co/d/6HJxjsG

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