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zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos

Javid posted:

Flat cutting is a fraction of the complexity as machining out nuts and bolts custom. In the case of the cutting grids, being able to fully replace one in a workday with available materials is an ENORMOUS savings over "well poo poo the table's broken, time to check lead times on parts"
Is the recycling of swarf from purpose tooled machines deep in the supply chain really that dismal or is the recycling of swarf from shop CNC cutters really that amazing?

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deoju
Jul 11, 2004

All the pieces matter.
Nap Ghost

Space Kablooey posted:

TBF he mentions he's still not done with the project because it lacks a railing
No way he's not putting a railing on that. If he planned on it he would have factored it into the original design.

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



this is how proteins perform locomotion

Methylethylaldehyde
Oct 23, 2004

BAKA BAKA

zedprime posted:

Is the recycling of swarf from purpose tooled machines deep in the supply chain really that dismal or is the recycling of swarf from shop CNC cutters really that amazing?

There's examples where a shop is able to bid the parts to be barely over the raw materials cost, because they're able to effectively collect and recycle the chips that are made at a profit.

You need to be making a truly stupid amount of the same type of chips though, and have a really solid relationship with a very close by foundry. If you make 5k pounds of 6061 chips a day, you can probably get some pretty great rates from the metal recyclers.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

I guess it also depends on just how good you are at keeping types separated and if the foundry has a long enough working relationship to trust you on it.

Vampire Panties
Apr 18, 2001
nposter
Nap Ghost
that staircase is built out of 3/4 plywood and each plank is like 2' wide, and scarfed to the main support pole. you could walk up those steps on each individual plank.

HolHorsejob posted:

It's this. Those slats are just rectangular strips of maybe 1/16" mild steel slotted sideways into a frame, and the frame the slats sit in is just a strip of maybe 1/8" mild steel with slots cut to hold the slats in place. The jet cuts them every time it passes, but it only cuts them superficially, maybe like 1/4" of their 3" height.

The entirety of the bed is a wear item. you cut a new set of parts when the slats start to get too chewed up, or when you come up on a scheduled maintenance. And before anyone asks, the water is slightly alkaline, which stops the steel from corroding.significantly.

I watched a video a few years back of a couple that built a house using primarily a 5x10 CNC router to cut all of the structural elements from 3/4" sheet goods. I'd be amazed if it cost them less than having a professional build a house of equivalent size with conventional materials.
Any idea on the name or maybe a link? vaguely OSHA related, but I backed a kickstarter that turns a Dewalt router into a 5x10 CNC router specifically to do exactly what you said. Composites are stronger than raw materials, and you can build some insanely strong poo poo if you layer up plywood. Plus you can get all Roman and build arches and curves easily.

Javid
Oct 21, 2004

:jpmf:

zedprime posted:

Is the recycling of swarf from purpose tooled machines deep in the supply chain really that dismal or is the recycling of swarf from shop CNC cutters really that amazing?

this question is so utterly unrelated to anything I said that I have no actual idea how to respond. are you under the impression that the replacement grids are produced on site use cutting splatter, rather than the massive supply of bulk sheet metal that any business with the expensive sheet metal cutting machine can be reasonably assumed to keep around?

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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I don't know what's so hard to imagine about a manufacturer being able to easily and quickly replace something that is literally the most basic part to manufacture instead of having another manufacturer make it and ship it to them. Not to mention the down time costs on waiting for a basic part.

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem

The Lone Badger posted:

I guess it also depends on just how good you are at keeping types separated and if the foundry has a long enough working relationship to trust you on it.

Woe be on the new guy who puts regular swarf in the brass skip.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

HolHorsejob posted:

L

I watched a video a few years back of a couple that built a house using primarily a 5x10 CNC router to cut all of the structural elements from 3/4" sheet goods. I'd be amazed if it cost them less than having a professional build a house of equivalent size with conventional materials.

That's insanely dumb lmao. By any chance were they both engineers

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

Jabor posted:

Woe be on the new guy who puts regular swarf in the brass skip.

Do large metal recyclers have a ‘mixed metal’ input option where they granulise everything then use froth floatation to seperate by density? You’d end up with seperate bins of iron, aluminium, brass and nonmetal.

Different grades of stainless would be impossible to seperate though, and I assume there’s a large difference in value.

Methylethylaldehyde
Oct 23, 2004

BAKA BAKA

Jabor posted:

Woe be on the new guy who puts regular swarf in the brass skip.

Yeah, that's a few thousand dollars he just hosed up. Mix the metals and the recycler gives you the 'pity penny a pound' rates for it. His supervisor is gonna make him hand winnow that swarf until it gleams golden with coppery goodness. Pray he dumped steel chips in it, then at least he can use a magnet.

The Lone Badger posted:

Do large metal recyclers have a ‘mixed metal’ input option where they granulise everything then use froth floatation to seperate by density? You’d end up with seperate bins of iron, aluminium, brass and nonmetal.

Different grades of stainless would be impossible to seperate though, and I assume there’s a large difference in value.

They do, but they generally give you like 5-15% of the value compared to three bins of pure-enough product. I don't know of any recycler that actually treats the incoming metals like ore and does the entire ball mill -> wash plant -> foundry process though.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


I've come up with a brillliant idea! A Table Saw blade but it also has a file/sandpaper surface on the side!

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Humphreys posted:

I've come up with a brillliant idea! A Table Saw blade but it also has a file/sandpaper surface on the side!

Already done

ReelBigLizard
Feb 27, 2003

Fallen Rib

Bubblyblubber posted:

gently caress u zedprime i'll cnc a whole dang house if i want

starting with the stairs, as is the goon custom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd-Z7OTAjJ0

In about 2008 I was doing IT support for a guy whose business was custom staircases. He had a set of parametric scripts and custom tools in Autodesk Inventor that he could simply put in the basic of the bottom and top positions, optional landings, turns, styles etc.

It would generate the entire thing, every bit of joinery, export a full BOM spreadsheet, and all the necessary CAM files for the huge CNC router at their workshop. He just emailed it all in a zip to the boys and a few days later the whole thing was cut packed and shipped.

I don't know how much he turned over a year but he lived on a road called Grand Maison Road. His house was the Grand Maison.

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


How much work did that save in your estimation? I have no frame of reference.

a sexual elk
May 16, 2007

The Russians use stacks of pencils

klen dool
May 7, 2007

Okay well me being wrong in some limited situations doesn't change my overall point.
Spiral staircases are so dangerous lol a good fit for this thread

ReelBigLizard
Feb 27, 2003

Fallen Rib

By popular demand posted:

How much work did that save in your estimation? I have no frame of reference.

Maybe a 95% saving in his hours, and like a week of man hours cutting all the joints, even with specialised morticing tools etc. it all hinges on him getting very accurate positional data for the stairwell. QA was greatly improved through the spreadsheet checklist so they basically never delivered a stair set to site missing pieces etc.

Dude was an efficiency genius and smoked like a chimney. One of my jobs was reworking his iMac to boot solely from windows, and slightly modifying the internals to isolate the screen from the internal airflow because the screen was getting nicotine stains under the glass.

Zopotantor
Feb 24, 2013

...und ist er drin dann lassen wir ihn niemals wieder raus...

ReelBigLizard posted:

OSHA IV: the screen was getting nicotine stains under the glass

(I remember the dark ages when smoking at your desk was still a thing, and what the keyboards of these people looked like… :barf:)

Zopotantor fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Jan 4, 2024

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
Let's not talk about smoking, I miss it

Karate Bastard
Jul 31, 2007

Soiled Meat
Good on ya! Stay strong goon friend.

chrisgt
Sep 6, 2011

:getin:

Zopotantor posted:

(I remember the dark ages when smoking at your desk was still a thing, and what the keyboards of these people looked like… :barf:)

Back when I ran my IT business I got a call on a sunday night from a very good customer, something like "My PC shut off and when I start it I get some error about CPU fan," I have a big deadline for monday.

Ok, fine, drove over there with a box of random CPU fans in the hopes one of them would work well enough to get his poo poo working again.
Open the case of the PC and found out why the fan stopped working... It was so gummed up with tar mixed with dust it stopped spinning. Cleaned all the tar out of the fan and it once again worked great. I thought I was going to puke.

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos

Javid posted:

this question is so utterly unrelated to anything I said that I have no actual idea how to respond. are you under the impression that the replacement grids are produced on site use cutting splatter, rather than the massive supply of bulk sheet metal that any business with the expensive sheet metal cutting machine can be reasonably assumed to keep around?
Other way around. I'm under the impression economies of scale often allow standardized parts to be produced cheap enough to pay for shipping and storing over on site fab because they can either minimize waste or sell/recycle fab waste easier ex. they don't have the mixed waste stream problem the one poster is talking about.

Buying a piece of sheet stock and throwing out 85% of it for something that is not bespoke in any way seems untidy at any rate.

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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zedprime posted:

Buying a piece of sheet stock and throwing out 85% of it for something that is not bespoke in any way seems untidy at any rate.

They're absolutely not throwing out anything, even approaching that. I don't think you understand how simple of a piece we are talking about.

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

His Divine Shadow posted:

Let's not talk about smoking, I miss it

Off-topic, but how did Finland get on board with the snus ban? Didn't you guys use it?

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



Our favorite IT manager has been forced to stop digging a tunnel under her house.

ArcMage
Sep 14, 2007

What is this thread?

Ramrod XTreme

zedprime posted:

Other way around. I'm under the impression economies of scale often allow standardized parts to be produced cheap enough to pay for shipping and storing over on site fab because they can either minimize waste or sell/recycle fab waste easier ex. they don't have the mixed waste stream problem the one poster is talking about.

Buying a piece of sheet stock and throwing out 85% of it for something that is not bespoke in any way seems untidy at any rate.

Tying up your cutter making repair parts for itself can cost you orders of magnitude more in lost production than buying the parts from the factory, too.

for fucks sake
Jan 23, 2016


Noted youtube man Colin Furze has been doing a similar thing, first with a bunker in the garden, then a full-on tunnel under his house. He also went the easier-to-ask-forgiveness-than-permission route and only retroactively received planning permission. I am no construction expert and can't judge whether one of these two has been more reckless than the other, can anyone who knows both cases compare?

Karate Bastard
Jul 31, 2007

Soiled Meat

for fucks sake posted:

Noted youtube man

A pejorative of the current age

`Nemesis
Dec 30, 2000

railroad graffiti

gbut
Mar 28, 2008

😤I put the UN🇺🇳 in 🎊FUN🎉


My ankles hurt all of a sudden when I look at that picture. I wonder why?

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



Next Saw film is taking the title literally.

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...




One of those times where, realistically, I know a zombie apocalypse is never going to happen, but also I see "$50" and start thinking but maybe...

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Captain Hygiene posted:

One of those times where, realistically, I know a zombie apocalypse is never going to happen, but also I see "$50" and start thinking but maybe...

It can happen if people start eating deer brains.

everydayfalls
Aug 23, 2016

for fucks sake posted:

Noted youtube man Colin Furze has been doing a similar thing, first with a bunker in the garden, then a full-on tunnel under his house. He also went the easier-to-ask-forgiveness-than-permission route and only retroactively received planning permission. I am no construction expert and can't judge whether one of these two has been more reckless than the other, can anyone who knows both cases compare?

He eventually got plans and permission for his project. Also he was building in stages and filling it with steel and concrete as he went. So “safer”

He had built the bunker years ago and knew the material under his property (it was a bunch of rock). So he was starting far ahead of the American lady.

LookieLoo
Feb 10, 2011

One of them is a business of dozens, the other is a solitary crank.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Groda posted:

Off-topic, but how did Finland get on board with the snus ban? Didn't you guys use it?

It's a pretty big black market and still a sore spot amongst a lot of people actually. Even people who don't use it.

I live in coastal pohjanmaa where the usage was mainly concentrated, don't know if it was ever that big in the rest of the country.

Karate Bastard posted:

Good on ya! Stay strong goon friend.

Since 2008!

Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


everydayfalls posted:

He eventually got plans and permission for his project. Also he was building in stages and filling it with steel and concrete as he went. So “safer”

He had built the bunker years ago and knew the material under his property (it was a bunch of rock). So he was starting far ahead of the American lady.

Also yeah he first built the bunker under the lawn on his backyard, and then when he started digging the tunnel he started by digging under his shed first, instead of the weird lady starting by digging under her house.

Also he basically overbuilt the bunker by his own admission, and then after years and years of maintaining the bunker he started on the tunnel project.

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No. 6
Jun 30, 2002

a sexual elk posted:

The Russians use stacks of pencils

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