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Nevil Maskelyne posted:I can kinda believe that if you don't speak the same first language as another person it's hard to tell the difference between an insane person and a weird but useful person
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That cant be real edit: nevermind, it is real
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Elias_Maluco posted:That cant be real https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1742735958598893588
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Amazing Israel is thinking of having Dershowitz defend them against genocide charges right as the Epstein files are coming out.
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This probably has been discussed, it took me a couple days to get why Israel chose the Soleimani anniversary event to kill people. They wanted to tie their own crime to the crime originally committed by the imperial overlord. Kind of deferring their new crime half way to the Americans and dare Iran to take revenge to the original crime committer. Also doing a call back on Trump is an extra bonus.
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Halloween Jack posted:He was useful? well no but like you don't know that at first, you only figure that out after a little while if some guy claims to be a trained american fighter and combat medic or whatever i can imagine someone thinking something like "well he wouldn't come to this fuckin combat zone if he didn't know what he was doing, right?"
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I'm not a grammarian (rhetorician?) but doesn't that say, more or less, that "the entire country of Israel" is synonymous with "the challenges of the Palestinian people"?
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PawParole posted:Judeo-Bolshevism is so funny, it’s like the Whites thought that the Mensheviks or someone else would end up winning and it was too late to change their talking points. If the Bolshevik overrepresented anyone it was Balts lol There weren't an insignificant amount of Bolsheviks from the Caucasus all told as well. It is just preying on traditional anti-Semitism and the fact that the October Revolution was an unwanted side-effect of the grand plans of the Entente.
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Orange Devil posted:
hahaha oh my god
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That twitter account is completely insane. much as israel.
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Ardennes posted:There weren't an insignificant amount of Bolsheviks from the Caucasus all told as well. Majority of RSDLP members from the caucuses were Mensheviks. Stalin was an exception, even in the 1917 election Mensheviks won 75 percent of the vote in Georgia and 41 percent in Transcaucasia. Stalin and Ordzhonikidze were basically the only prominent Caucasian Bolsheviks. PawParole has issued a correction as of 17:25 on Jan 4, 2024 |
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Orange Devil posted:I will never forget his response: "all forms of extremism are bad". i know a guy like this and he's the most tedious motherfucker on the planet to interact with. he used to be a middle school band director and now he's some talentless tech startup dipshit and all of his political positions, inasmuch as he even has them, are exactly this asinine hailthefish has issued a correction as of 17:25 on Jan 4, 2024 |
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Raccooon posted:Amazing Israel is thinking of having Dershowitz defend them against genocide charges right as the Epstein files are coming out. He's probably the only person they can trust to keep secrets.
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Frosted Flake posted:I'm not a grammarian (rhetorician?) but doesn't that say, more or less, that "the entire country of Israel" is synonymous with "the challenges of the Palestinian people"? not quite, but almost strictly speaking if the shirt represents the struggles of the palestinian people and also erases israel the structure of the argument doesn't make a ton of sense, they've lost the plot on like actual rhetorical consistency unless they're intentionally going for a non-sequitur i think they might be trying to argue through implication but they're leaving so many obvious issues in the argument and blatant admissions of israel's crimes that it borders on like dogwhistling to an in-group rather than trying to convince anyone of anything i guess what i'm saying is that the pro-israel propagandist teams are not sending their best e: i am also not a rhetorician but i find myself fascinated with the subject for some reason
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ProfessorBooty posted:He's probably the only person they can trust to keep secrets. idk, there are probably a lot of other high profile pedo lawyers that went to pedo island to get blackmailed by the cia/mossad
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wow... I can't believe the hypocrisy  Turkish exports to Israel rose by 34.8 pct from November to December  www.turkishminute.com - Thu, 04 Jan 2024 posted:Contrary to Ankara’s political rhetoric on the war in the Palestinian enclave of Gaza, Turkish exports to Israel rose by 34.8 percent last month, according to official figures, as the country’s trade relations with Tel Aviv come under scrutiny.
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Raccooon posted:Amazing Israel is thinking of having Dershowitz defend them against genocide charges right as the Epstein files are coming out. ICC should pull a masterstroke and have Virginia Guiffre and all of The Dersh’s victims sitting in the courtroom when he shows up. The shock will cripple his ability to even speak coherently.
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euphronius posted:hahaha oh my god I think it perfectly supports what Orange Devil was saying. It's not really expressing a political belief, but passive support for the status quo, which is the "centre" - even in a Communist state. Any disruption, "in either direction" is "extreme" and "bad" not for any material or philosophical reason, but for the degree to which they disrupt the status quo. Which sucks, obviously, in a lot of ways, but is also a brake on the forces of reaction and counterrevolution too. They have a window to present their project as a "return to normal', but once that passes, and there's stability within a socialist state, that becomes normal too. It means people are less committed or whatever, as we saw with East Germany. This is a problem because socialist states are always under threat. Great efforts are made to make sure there is always disruption to normalcy and so people, it's hoped, associate counterrevolution with a return to stability. There's an interesting book about that, National Ideology Under Socialism: Identity and Cultural Politics in Ceausescu's Romania which argues that Socialism was broadly popular once it was felt to be "normal" and "Romanian". Only when the economies of the Eastern Bloc started falling into chaos thanks to Gorbachev, and society felt unsettled, did counterrevolution become possible, basically as Orange Devil explained happened when liberalism was on the rise in the 19th century. So, I guess the lesson here is that a socialist state is possible as long as the world economy isn't controlled by an avowed enemy of socialism that will also do everything possible to disrupt daily life in that state.
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I've come to view liberalism as a coherent ideology which believes itself to follow "facts" and "experts". In reality, liberals will believe whatever an authority tells them. State actors, institutions, writers, anyone they view as above themselves in the hierarchy is worshiped. Literally speaking, they are authoritarians. Once you apply that logic, everything they do makes sense. How do they oppose antisemitism and support azov nazis? An authority told them to. How do they oppose genocide and support Israel bombing children? An authority told them to. It is that simple. Don't bother overcomplicating things further. There is no central logic beyond "person in charge told me what to think", everything else is a justification for this core belief. They support Israel because a politician/newscaster told them to and they justify this by "opposing antisemitism". Their "fish that can't see water" deal with propaganda is merely a sign that they are so deeply inundated by ideology that propaganda appears as objective truth.
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Orange Devil posted:I will never forget his response: "all forms of extremism are bad". Lmao. Incredible. Yeah you can't have a real political conversation with someone like that, that's willful ignorance in its purest form: completely ignoring the argument.
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Nevil Maskelyne posted:not quite, but almost Thank you. I was wondering if I made a logical/grammatical/rhetorical leap or if they did, but I think you're right that it makes more sense as in-group messaging. It's like they're admitting that a Palestine free of "challenges" and "the entire state of Israel" can't coexist, but they don't actually lay it all out there so it's left to if you're already primed to get mad on behalf of Israel while also able to glide over the "challenges" part.
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Frosted Flake posted:I agree that I could choose not to get sucked into the half-remembered half-believed political beliefs that come up in conversation, and it's probably a neurotic tic that I can't just easily cruise past them, but sorting the wheat from the chaff is kind of unfair, isn't it? hehehe, yeah, it is I mean, and this has relevance to the thread, but the majority of people do not actually take their ideas seriously (in the sense of ideology), as you put it. Not that they necessarily have to, and it can be really good when that comes from a proper place: being self-contradictory is inevitable to some degree and being aware of that allows a greater degree of understanding -- maybe even wisdom -- than otherwise. But of course, there are those who take their ideas in a different sort of "seriousness" so to speak. When someone defends Israel bombarding children, they are being "serious" in the sense of their ideology, not in terms of actual rigor of thought. When you are absolutely required to engage with that in earnest, of course it is going to drive you mad because you are definitely going to do a lot more of thinking work that they ever done about it. Explaining to the average liberal/conservative about why Israel is full of bullshit requires inescapable elaboration; but one doesn't need to explain at all in order to call bullshit
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Frosted Flake posted:I think it perfectly supports what Orange Devil was saying. It's not really expressing a political belief, but passive support for the status quo, which is the "centre" - even in a Communist state. Any disruption, "in either direction" is "extreme" and "bad" not for any material or philosophical reason, but for the degree to which they disrupt the status quo. This is a really interesting way to think about it. Also gets at why a commited vanguard party is necessary for any socialist state. At least until the US hegmon is weakened to the point where they can no longer sabotage socialist projects.
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Thread moves fast so I don't knownif this was posted yet but Kirby shat out his mouth again to refute South Africa's suit calling Israel's actions genocidal. https://twitter.com/prem_thakker/status/1742665626752294951?t=cQstpSP5RWpFZE9XZUouGg&s=19
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"ISIS: We're responsible for the attack in Iran in which close to 100 people were killed" https://twitter.com/ynetalerts/status/1742945487945076793?t=j1uDgfU6My7EgdBsJi3GGA&s=19 
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https://twitter.com/broderly/status/1742936406107033668?t=chpyD4wDQieMDu1X2S_YpQ&s=19 Okay isn't this uhhhhhh colonialism?
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Sancho Banana posted:"ISIS: We're responsible for the attack in Iran in which close to 100 people were killed" Lol that confirms it this was definitely Israel
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Ardennes posted:There weren't an insignificant amount of Bolsheviks from the Caucasus all told as well. It's possible that Judeo-Bolshevism had taken shape even before the October Revolution, or before any Marxist thought that Russia would be the site of the revolution. First, because anarchists, when those were the big problem for liberals in the 19th century, were already characterized as Jewish. In America, they were characterized as Italian as well I think, because anarchism was a threat at a time when Italians were still "foreign" outsiders. By 1917, Italians were more-or-less (admittedly less than now) American, but Jews were still very much not. The foreign agents of the opposing ideology were winnowed down, I guess is what I'm saying. This obviously does not apply to continental countries where 19th century nationalism left the Jewish population as perpetual outsiders, unlike how American nationalism viewed immigration. It seems like it would be easy to transfer the existing imagery and everything else from one to the other. Second, in Russia specifically, the idea of Jewish anarchists as an internal enemy had already been developed by the people who would go on to form the core of the Whites. After Alexander II was assassinated in 1881, there were widespread pogroms and the production of state propaganda that seems to prefigure Judeo-Bolshevism, but without the Bolshevism. If you go through Punch magazine, the British public was consuming these narratives as well, so again it does feel like the pump was primed. Punch also featured lurid stories of Irish Anarchists lurking in every alley, and responsible for every strike and protest, so it seems to me that if things had gone a little differently, the forces of reaction would have just as easily started talking about Hiberno-Bolshevism, or Italo-Bolshevism, depending on which internal enemies people were already looking for under every rock when Communism emerged as a real threat.
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Arc Hammer posted:Thread moves fast so I don't knownif this was posted yet but Kirby shat out his mouth again to refute South Africa's suit calling Israel's actions genocidal. 
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the corollary to these thoughts which I’ve become aware of through the Ukraine issue is that opposition to communism is almost never ideological (in the sense of “it’s a bad form of political economics or whatever) but almost 100% antisemitic
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Is there more substantial information linking ISIS and the west than "Israel helped some fighters" and "They seem to be attacking only those unfriendly to the US"? I feel like dropping that bomb will get some pushback along the lines of "They were just trying to help topple Syria" and "Thats just because there was unrest caused by the US, they weren't puppet mastered"
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Leandros posted:Is there more substantial information linking ISIS and the west than "Israel helped some fighters" and "They seem to be attacking only those unfriendly to the US"? I feel like dropping that bomb will get some pushback along the lines of "They were just trying to help topple Syria" and "Thats just because there was unrest caused by the US, they weren't puppet mastered" Proxy War: The Least Bad Option If I Did It posted:The U.S. has indirectly intervened in international conflicts on a relatively large scale for decades. Yet little is known about the immediate usefulness or long-term effectiveness of contemporary proxy warfare. In cases when neither direct involvement nor total disengagement are viable, proxy warfare is often the best option, or, rather, the least bad option. Tyrone L. Groh describes the hazards and undesirable aspects of this strategy, as well as how to deploy it effectively.
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Arc Hammer posted:Thread moves fast so I don't knownif this was posted yet but Kirby shat out his mouth again to refute South Africa's suit calling Israel's actions genocidal. this stupid bitch should be sent to gaza
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Leandros posted:Is there more substantial information linking ISIS and the west than "Israel helped some fighters" and "They seem to be attacking only those unfriendly to the US"? I feel like dropping that bomb will get some pushback along the lines of "They were just trying to help topple Syria" and "Thats just because there was unrest caused by the US, they weren't puppet mastered" I'm sympathetic to this because I'm always trying to create as full proof arguments as possible, from an evidence standpoint. I think that impulse is understandable, but at the same time it's important to remember that there are many liberals who simply won't care how strong your argument may be , they'll just ignore it. Orange Devil's earlier post provide a great example.
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Sancho Banana posted:"ISIS: We're responsible for the attack in Iran in which close to 100 people were killed" Oh word?
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