2023 NFL Coaching Carousel: The Night of Short Drives

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wandler20: Nov 13, 2002; How many Championships?

Kalli posted:

When you're singing in the car to some 90's hip hop and hit one of those verses

lmao

# ? Jan 4, 2024 21:01

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# ? May 25, 2024 22:10

really queer Christmas: Apr 22, 2014

Kalli posted:

When you're singing in the car to some 90's hip hop and hit one of those verses

Lmao

# ? Jan 4, 2024 21:07

wandler20: Nov 13, 2002; How many Championships?

A list of coaching candidates:

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MICHIGAN COACH JIM HARBAUGH

Jim Harbaugh�s name comes up every year, and that won�t stop. But this year feels a little different.

First, there's been all the off-the-field issues, from the sign-stealing scandal to alleged recruiting violations. As a result, some believe Harbaugh may want to leave college coaching simply because of that.

There�s also the possibility that Michigan could win the National Championship on Jan. 8, which was always the ultimate goal for Harbaugh. If that were to happen, he might feel like his work is done with his alma mater.

Third, and potentially most important, Harbaugh recently hired agent Don Yee, who has more than 30 years of experience and represents high-profile NFL clients, including Sean Payton.

Sometimes actions speak louder than words, and it sure feels like this could be the year Harbaugh strongly considers returning to the NFL, where he was 44-19-1 as the 49ers' head coach from 2011-14. He led San Francisco to the NFC Championship Game three times and a Super Bowl appearance in 2012.

DETROIT LIONS OC BEN JOHNSON

Ben Johnson will be the most sought-after candidate this offseason. The 37-year-old took over as the Detroit Lions� offensive coordinator in 2022 and rapidly helped their offense evolve into a top unit.

Despite interviewing with several teams last year, he chose to remain in Detroit. Once again, the team boasts one of the most prolific offenses and clinched its division for the first time in 30 years.

Before becoming the offensive coordinator, Johnson coached quarterbacks, receivers and tight ends, showcasing experience in various offensive roles. He fits the mold of the bright, young offensive mind many owners want as a head coach.

TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS OC DAVE CANALES

Dave Canales spent 13 years in Seattle before joining the Tampa Bay Buccaneers this past offseason as their offensive coordinator. The 42-year-old has a strong track record with quarterbacks, having served as Seattle�s quarterbacks coach in 2022. He played a significant role in Geno Smith�s Comeback Player of the Year season.

In his first year in Tampa, Canales has achieved similar results by helping Baker Mayfield revive his career to the point where Mayfield could be the long-term answer for the Buccaneers.

A very energetic and positive person, Canales exudes some Pete Carroll vibes, which makes sense considering he was with Carroll for more than a decade. He could be a sneaky candidate in this year�s coaching cycle.

BALTIMORE RAVENS DC MIKE MACDONALD

Mike Macdonald spent the 2021 season at Michigan as the defensive coordinator under Jim Harbaugh before returning to Baltimore last season to be the defensive coordinator under John Harbaugh. The 36-year-old has remade the Baltimore Ravens defense into one of the most feared units in the league. His defense allows a league-low 16.4 points per game and has 57 sacks and 29 takeaways.

Macdonald has probably been the most rapidly rising star on this list in 2023 � and if a team is willing to go young and defensive-minded, he should be at the top of the list.

DALLAS COWBOYS DC DAN QUINN

The former Falcons head coach has been a popular candidate for the past two years, but it�s been made clear in league circles that Dan Quinn is only going to take a job that he truly wants. He�s been the Dallas Cowboys' defensive coordinator for three years, and he has loved everything about Dallas.

His defense has consistently been among the league�s best each season. It�s no longer a question of if Quinn will get another job; it�s more about when and if that job is good enough for him to leave the joy he�s experienced working in Dallas. He's also one of the highest-paid defensive coordinators in the NFL.

LOS ANGELES RAMS DC RAHEEM MORRIS

The Los Angeles Rams have been one of the more special teams this season simply because not many people could�ve seen them having the season they�ve had. Their roster was torn down in the offseason, and the team made virtually no notable signings in free agency. The Rams filled out the roster with mid-to-late-round draft picks and undrafted players.

The development on defense, with players like Ernest Jones, Byron Young, Kobie Turner, Cobie Durant, Derion Kendrick, Russ Yeast and Quentin Lake all getting significant snaps and playing complementary football, is impressive. This all goes back to Raheem Morris, who was the Rams' defensive coordinator when they won the Super Bowl two years ago and has gone through this entire change of players. He has worked closely on getting these players ready week-to-week.

Morris was previously a head coach with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers from 2009-11 when he got the job at age 32, replacing Jon Gruden. Morris was an interim coach for the Falcons in 2020. Steelers coach Mike Tomlin has said on numerous occasions that Morris deserves another shot at being a head coach. It�s fair to say that his work this year in Los Angeles might be his best yet.

NEW YORK JETS DC JEFF ULBRICH
Some around the league have wondered if there will be a new trend of seeking coaches who are former players and are more of a leader than the X's and O's guy. Dan Campbell is the perfect example in Detroit, and the entire league has taken notice of what Antonio Pierce did as the interim coach of the Raiders.

Jeff Ulbrich, a former 10-year NFL linebacker, has served as the New York Jets� defensive coordinator since 2021. His energy is infectious, and his players love him. The Jets' defense has consistently ranked among the top in the league every year under his leadership.

Before joining the Jets, Ulbrich spent six years with Dan Quinn in Atlanta, where he was the linebackers coach and eventually gained the assistant head coach title. During that period, he spent time with Kyle Shanahan, who was Atlanta�s offensive coordinator for two years. Many coaches from the Shanahan tree have become fans of Ulbrich, which should help him build his offensive staff if he becomes a head coach.

LAS VEGAS RAIDERS DC PATRICK GRAHAM

A lot of attention in Las Vegas has rightfully gone to Pierce, who has been outstanding. However, the unsung hero behind the entire defense is Patrick Graham. Graham is very passionate, sets high expectations and holds his players accountable.

Despite lacking top-tier talent beyond Maxx Crosby, the Las Vegas Raiders defense has shown improvement as the season has gone on. Since Week 9, the defense ranks first in the NFL in points allowed (16.3), 10th in takeaways (13), and ninth in sacks (25). They are fourth in the NFL in EPA per play.

�He�s doing a great job leading us and putting us in great positions, and we have a lot of guys that are bought in,� Crosby said of Graham. Teams have sought to interview Graham in the past, and his impactful work on the Raiders' defense this season could lead to more opportunities in the upcoming coaching cycle.

CINCINNATI BENGALS OC BRIAN CALLAHAN

Brian Callahan, 39, has worked with some of the top quarterbacks over the years. He was with Peyton Manning during his time with the Broncos, served as the Lions quarterbacks coach with Matthew Stafford and was the Raiders quarterbacks coach with Derek Carr.

Zac Taylor brought him to Cincinnati in 2019, and although Callahan doesn't call plays, he has been an integral part of the Bengals offense. Callahan plays a major role in game planning, and the flashes the team had with Jake Browning should bolster his reputation.

He has interviewed for several head coaching jobs in the past couple of years, including multiple interviews with the Colts last year.

OTHER CANDIDATES TO KEEP AN EYE ON
Houston Texans OC Bobby Slowik
Cincinnati Bengals DC Lou Anarumo
Miami Dolphins OC Frank Smith
San Francisco 49ers assistant HC and running backs coach Anthony Lynn
Baltimore Ravens special teams coordinator Chris Horton

https://www.the33rdteam.com/9-top-nfl-head-coaching-candidates-entering-2024-hiring-cyle/

# ? Jan 4, 2024 21:13

Manoueverable: Oct 23, 2010; Dubs Loves Wubs

Ornery and Hornery posted:

Schotty was a bad game planner / schemer in Seattle. The main reason there was production was because of the usual combination of Wilson and Pete letting the team throw in the fourth quarter.

Schotty was a proponent of throwing the ball more though, which was nice. The team scored more points when they let Russ cook and then Pete got scared by a few turnovers and immediately reverted back to Pete ball and the team scored less points.

But tbf to Schotty a lot of Seattle’s offensive issues like third down conversions and aversion to throwing in the middle of the field have now spanned across multiple quarterbacks and multiple coordinators so it seems like a Pete issue.

It might be a personnel issue, I'm fairly certain both Russ and Geno specifically are averse to throwing over the middle. But overall if it's not that then it's definitely Pete, yeah.

# ? Jan 4, 2024 21:27

fartknocker: Oct 28, 2012; Damn it, this always happens. I think I'm gonna score, and then I never score. It's not fair.; Wedge Regret

Kalli posted:

When you're singing in the car to some 90's hip hop and hit one of those verses

# ? Jan 4, 2024 21:30

The Puppy Bowl: Jan 31, 2013; A dog, in the house.

*woof*

Do any of you want Mike MacDonald to be your head coach in 2024?

I like him a lot. He gets the best out of all his players by putting them in the best situation to succeed. That said, he's not an OC, so you are hunting for someone else to handle the most important part of the game. He is really young and has only ever been in Baltimore, then Michigan for a year, then Baltimore. So very structured and established Harbaugh environments. Honestly, it feels like he needs a few more years at DC before making the leap. That is if a DC even can reasonably make the leap anymore. I can't remember that last one that worked out as a head coach. Belichick?

# ? Jan 4, 2024 22:11

ozymandius1024: Mar 15, 2006; You don't yank on the Spine of God

The Puppy Bowl posted:

Do any of you want Mike MacDonald to be your head coach in 2024?

I like him a lot. He gets the best out of all his players by putting them in the best situation to succeed. That said, he's not an OC, so you are hunting for someone else to handle the most important part of the game. He is really young and has only ever been in Baltimore, then Michigan for a year, then Baltimore. So very structured and established Harbaugh environments. Honestly, it feels like he needs a few more years at DC before making the leap. That is if a DC even can reasonably make the leap anymore. I can't remember that last one that worked out as a head coach. Belichick?

Demeco Ryans

Edit: Mike Tomlin, Pete Carroll, and Sean McDermott are the only other ones I can think of, but I do think it's lazy bullshit (not talking about you) that folks just assume you have to have a hotshot OC as your head coach because it's the sexy thing.

ozymandius1024 fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Jan 4, 2024

# ? Jan 4, 2024 22:14

Benne: Sep 2, 2011; STOP DOING HEROIN

That's a weird thing to say in a year where defense made a big resurgence. Defensive innovators can still exist and make for good head coaches.

# ? Jan 4, 2024 22:15

The Puppy Bowl: Jan 31, 2013; A dog, in the house.

*woof*

Demeco Ryans and Jonathan Gannon don't count because it's only been one year. Sean Mc Dermott definetly does so I guess he's the last major DC success. The problem with DC Head Coaches is that if the offense is good, you lose your play caller to some other HC vacancy. Demeco Ryans is a good example, with Slowik potentially gone next year after helping CJ Stroud to the best rookie season since Peyton Manning.

# ? Jan 4, 2024 22:26

AndrewP: Apr 21, 2010

Defense tends to be less consistent from year to year.

If I was hiring a defensive coordinator as a HC I�d make extra sure he was good at all that vague HC stuff that doesn�t involve actually calling a unit - communicating and relating to players, delegation, hiring. Just general big picture stuff.

# ? Jan 4, 2024 22:27

YOLOsubmarine: Oct 19, 2004; When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Manoueverable posted:

It might be a personnel issue, I'm fairly certain both Russ and Geno specifically are averse to throwing over the middle. But overall if it's not that then it's definitely Pete, yeah.

I�d be really surprised if Pete was involved in the offense to the degree of dictating the kinds of throws he wants the QB to make.

# ? Jan 4, 2024 22:28

Benne: Sep 2, 2011; STOP DOING HEROIN

The Puppy Bowl posted:

Demeco Ryans and Jonathan Gannon don't count because it's only been one year. Sean Mc Dermott definetly does so I guess he's the last major DC success. The problem with DC Head Coaches is that if the offense is good, you lose your play caller to some other HC vacancy. Demeco Ryans is a good example, with Slowik potentially gone next year after helping CJ Stroud to the best rookie season since Peyton Manning.

I would argue this is a good problem to have. Great coaches get their coordinators promoted. That's the whole point of building a coaching tree.

# ? Jan 4, 2024 22:34

Ornery and Hornery: Oct 22, 2020

YOLOsubmarine posted:

I�d be really surprised if Pete was involved in the offense to the degree of dictating the kinds of throws he wants the QB to make.

He�s super anti-turnovers and throws to the middle are riskier.

But I�m also not sure how involved Pete is with anything at this point.

# ? Jan 4, 2024 22:42

Ornery and Hornery: Oct 22, 2020

For Seattle I would like one bright young OC as the next head coach, please. Side of Mac and cheese.

# ? Jan 4, 2024 22:42

a neat cape: Feb 22, 2007; Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

Problem with a defensive minded head coach is that if your offense is good, your OC gets poached and then your QB has to learn an entirely new system.

It can still work, as others have pointed out.

# ? Jan 4, 2024 22:46

YOLOsubmarine: Oct 19, 2004; When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Ornery and Hornery posted:

He�s super anti-turnovers and throws to the middle are riskier.

But I�m also not sure how involved Pete is with anything at this point.

I�m sure he presses the �protect the ball� point over and over but I doubt he�s going through the playbook tossing out all of the seam and post routes. The Hawks interior line is also frequently not great and it�s hard to throw over the middle when you�ve got d linemen collapsing the pocket in your face. Doubly so when you�re a little guy like Russ and have to leave the pocket to see where your recievers are.

# ? Jan 4, 2024 22:48

AndrewP: Apr 21, 2010

Or you could hire Brian Daboll after watching the success of Buffalo�s offense, and then he decides he doesn�t want to call plays anymore lol

# ? Jan 4, 2024 22:49

Nodoze: Aug 17, 2006; If it's only for a night I can live without you

AndrewP posted:

Or you could hire Brian Daboll after watching the success of Buffalo�s offense, and then he decides he doesn�t want to call plays anymore lol

Going from Josh Allen to Daniel Jones will do that to a man

# ? Jan 4, 2024 22:54

Kalli: Jun 2, 2001

I mean if your team is successful, your guys are gonna get poached.

Belichick had 7 guys poached as head coaches 3 OC's (one twice), 3 DC's and a ST guy and like 15 GM's / scouting director / director of player personnel over the years.

It's one of those good problems. As long as you, you know, constantly bring in new guys to replace them *cough*

# ? Jan 4, 2024 22:55

Grittybeard: Mar 29, 2010; Bad, very bad!

Kalli posted:

As long as you, you know, constantly bring in new guys to replace them *cough*

Going through this one in KC...not as bad as the Pats, but let's just say I want the crazy guy who wouldn't kick field goals if they were exactly 43 yards gone.

There are tons of problems with the Chiefs offense, but Matt Nagy is not any part of a solution I don't think.

# ? Jan 4, 2024 23:16

pseudodragon: Jun 16, 2007

ozymandius1024 posted:

Demeco Ryans

Edit: Mike Tomlin, Pete Carroll, and Sean McDermott are the only other ones I can think of, but I do think it's lazy bullshit (not talking about you) that folks just assume you have to have a hotshot OC as your head coach because it's the sexy thing.

Vrabel's done pretty well too.

# ? Jan 4, 2024 23:25

SKULL.GIF: Jan 20, 2017

How much of the "defensive resurgence" is because so many QBs are injured?

# ? Jan 4, 2024 23:52

3 DONG HORSE: May 22, 2008; I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization

SKULL.GIF posted:

How much of the "defensive resurgence" is because so many QBs are injured?

Depends on who injured them imho

# ? Jan 4, 2024 23:55

BlindSite: Feb 8, 2009

really queer Christmas posted:

Cat teams take up 5/15 slots.

Lol at two Panthers coordinators being on there, and neither of them being the good one.

Tabor has done a pretty good job with special teams tbh, had some miscues through guys being signed off the practice squad and thrown into game day kinda stuff and Pinero has had some head scratching misses at the worst time - i.e. the Green Bay game, but for the most part the special teams have been great and the players do seem to like Tabor. He's a guy who'll be in the league as long as he wants given he's a level head and a steady hand. He's been a pretty decent interim HC all things considered. The Jaguars game was a nightmare for the franchise from top to bottom but apparently have the team had the flu and it was kind of a case of they knew going in it wasn't going to be pretty.

The Thomas Brown one strikes me as a little odd, but in hindsight the offense has looked improved since he was given total control but I gotta feel like a lot of it is a bit of a sympathy vote.

Docjowles posted:

It�s a player survey and those tend to be all vibes

Wilks was beloved by just about everyone in the building when he was in Carolina. When he took over from Rhule there was an almost immediate turn around. It's why the players were all stanning for him to be the HC. So that makes sense.

TBH I no longer put too much stock in whether the coach comes from an offensive, defensive or special teams background, from my own watching experience the Panthers have had their best stretches over the last few terrible years under the interim Head Coaches who did the impossible and put guys in the best position to succeed instead of this rigid adherence to the doctrine of how they wanted the team to play regardless of personnel. I think organizations can get a little caught up sometimes in wanting the guy who's scheme has done incredible things rather than the guy who's the best at recognizing what they have and how to deploy them. Which sounds like the lowest possible bar but seems a tough one to clear more often than it should.

# ? Jan 5, 2024 00:06

Nervous: Jan 25, 2005; Why, hello, my little slice of pecan pie.

Ornery and Hornery posted:

For Seattle I would like one bright young OC as the next head coach, please. Side of Mac and cheese.

*monkey paw curls*

John Schneider: I'm excited to announce we're trading our 2024 and 2025 second round picks for Mac Jones.

# ? Jan 5, 2024 00:21

joe football: Dec 22, 2012

Offenses have actually been on a tear recently and team scoring is now up over last year now, though per drive scoring is still a little lower

All those injured starting QBs must have just been deadwood holding teams back

# ? Jan 5, 2024 01:09

kalensc: Sep 10, 2003; Only Trust Your Respirator, kupo!
Art/Quote by: Rubby

Kalli posted:

When you're singing in the car to some 90's hip hop and hit one of those verses

lol, good pic selection by whoever edited the graphic

# ? Jan 5, 2024 02:41

really queer Christmas: Apr 22, 2014

Don't know if Benne is going to post a final update before black monday, but here's my guess on final firings

Belichick
Riveria
Smith
Bowles
Mccarthy

Already fired:
Mcdaniels
Reich
Staley

Belichick is a no brainer at this point, same for Riveria. Arthur Smith just got spanked by the bears when the falcons already looked lifeless. Granted, a win and sweep over the saints may get him another year. Bowles sucks and the bucs seems to understand that, and I just don't have faith in the bucs beating even this weakened version of the eagles next week. No way do the cowboys not find a way to embarrass themselves in the playoffs, which will get Mccarthy hung out to dry.

I'd love for Allen to get fired too, but I think he squeaks out a win against the falcons which will let him go to loomis and say he just needs a better OC and then things will work out. Eberflus seems to have saved his job with a late season rally, with the defense looking sharp and Fields looking serviceable again.

On hot seat to start next year:
Daboll
McDermott
Saleh
Vrabel
Sirianni
Allen
[Insert 2024 Panthers coach here]

# ? Jan 5, 2024 03:27

YOLOsubmarine: Oct 19, 2004; When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

really queer Christmas posted:

Bowles sucks and the bucs seems to understand that, and I just don't have faith in the bucs beating even this weakened version of the eagles next week.

Correction here: the Bucs play the Panthers next and I don�t see how they could possibly lose that game so I expect them to make the playoffs and Bowles to be safe if they win a playoff game.

# ? Jan 5, 2024 03:51

Docjowles: Apr 9, 2009

Nervous posted:

*monkey paw curls*

John Schneider: I'm excited to announce we're trading our 2024 and 2025 second round picks for Mac Jones.

Mac to Colby (Parkinson) checks out for the Mac and cheese connection

Also lol Mac won�t command poo poo in terms of salary or pick compensation after he got benched for freaking Zappe

Docjowles fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Jan 5, 2024

# ? Jan 5, 2024 04:29

BlindSite: Feb 8, 2009

YOLOsubmarine posted:

Correction here: the Bucs play the Panthers next and I don�t see how they could possibly lose that game so I expect them to make the playoffs and Bowles to be safe if they win a playoff game.

If the Buccs lose this week you fire everyone on the spot. I could call this game for Tampa and win by 20.

# ? Jan 5, 2024 04:36

Nervous: Jan 25, 2005; Why, hello, my little slice of pecan pie.

Docjowles posted:

Mac to Colby (Parkinson) checks out for the Mac and cheese connection

Also lol Mac won’t command poo poo in terms of salary or pick compensation after he got benched for freaking Zappe

I just expect JS to give up too much value in trades

# ? Jan 5, 2024 04:55

EmbryoSteve: Dec 18, 2004; Taste~The~Rainbow

My blood sugar is gon' be like

~^^^^*WHOA*^^^^~

really queer Christmas posted:

Don't know if Benne is going to post a final update before black monday, but here's my guess on final firings

Belichick
Riveria
Smith
Bowles
Mccarthy

Already fired:
Mcdaniels
Reich
Staley

Belichick is a no brainer at this point, same for Riveria. Arthur Smith just got spanked by the bears when the falcons already looked lifeless. Granted, a win and sweep over the saints may get him another year. Bowles sucks and the bucs seems to understand that, and I just don't have faith in the bucs beating even this weakened version of the eagles next week. No way do the cowboys not find a way to embarrass themselves in the playoffs, which will get Mccarthy hung out to dry.

I'd love for Allen to get fired too, but I think he squeaks out a win against the falcons which will let him go to loomis and say he just needs a better OC and then things will work out. Eberflus seems to have saved his job with a late season rally, with the defense looking sharp and Fields looking serviceable again.

On hot seat to start next year:
Daboll
McDermott
Saleh
Vrabel
Sirianni
Allen
[Insert 2024 Panthers coach here]

After the hawks lose to thr Cardinals I hope Pete retires. I don't think he will but i hope so

# ? Jan 5, 2024 04:57

Shinji2015: Aug 31, 2007; Keen on the hygiene and on the mission like a super technician.

BlindSite posted:

If the Buccs lose this week you fire everyone on the spot. I could call this game for Tampa and win by 20.

Absolutely. Only thing Panthers are playing for is pride at this point, and lol, lmao

# ? Jan 5, 2024 04:58

Nervous: Jan 25, 2005; Why, hello, my little slice of pecan pie.

Shinji2015 posted:

Absolutely. Only thing Panthers are playing for is pride at this point, and lol, lmao

I was going to make a remark about how playing for pride could be playing for each other if a group of Panthers was called a pride but it turns out it's actually called a claw which is pretty loving :black101:

# ? Jan 5, 2024 05:01

SKULL.GIF: Jan 20, 2017

Is McDermott really a hot seat candidate? The Bills have won 4 straight and are in the playoffs again. Allen would be a stronger MVP candidate if not for Lamar.

I don't think the 9/11 stuff matters.

# ? Jan 5, 2024 05:13

Cavauro: Jan 9, 2008

i think their playoff success this season matters for mcdermott's job in that there needs to be another afccg appearance. but it might not. winning at least one game each year is a lot better than being that wildcard loser guy a bunch of years in a row. thank you

Cavauro fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Jan 5, 2024

# ? Jan 5, 2024 05:23

Kurgarra Queen: Jun 11, 2008; GIVE ME MORE
SUPER BOWL
WINS

SKULL.GIF posted:

Is McDermott really a hot seat candidate? The Bills have won 4 straight and are in the playoffs again. Allen would be a stronger MVP candidate if not for Lamar.

I don't think the 9/11 stuff matters.

If they lose to the Dolphins and miss the playoffs, there could still be a little heat on him and the team to bounce back next year, but the team not only avoided collapsing but went on a big hot streak and has looked much better offensively since Ken Dorsey got canned. I mean, if they beat the Dolphins, they�re literally the #2 seed!
It�s clear the team, whatever its deficiencies, is playing hard for McD, whatever his deficiencies.

# ? Jan 5, 2024 05:30

AndrewP: Apr 21, 2010

McDermott as a hot seat candidate is crazy. Don't be that team, Bills

# ? Jan 5, 2024 05:44

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# ? May 25, 2024 22:10

Shindragon: Jun 6, 2011; by Athanatos

Yeah no, the bills would go back to being irrelvant if they let him go.

Just need to get rid of Josh's turnover tendencies.

# ? Jan 5, 2024 06:00

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