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StrangersInTheNight posted:It's bc they were trying to say something about being homophobic, but they producers themselves were too scared and homophobic to actually go through with it See also: The shitshow in The Offspring with the Ten Forward scene. Though what really puts me in a spin is how the intention was to tackle gay rights...but somehow, with seemingly no awareness whatsoever, the episode did so by obfuscating it in a story that's about trans rights instead.
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An episode where Dax makes out with a woman is OK because two hot women kissing is considered less offensive than Garak and Bashir, smh
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Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:Taneway  I think you'll find when I have something to say, you won't have any trouble understanding it.
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Paramount dropped all 10 original cast members+tng movies. JJ treks remain and the original 10 went to Max, if the article is correct. Paramount is trying to clean up their balance sheet so they can be an attractive merger target for , someone, forget who, but bottom line is Trek is almost certainly going to be de-emphasized. Sucks.
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Big rear end On Fire posted:Paramount dropped all 10 original cast members+tng movies. JJ treks remain and the original 10 went to Max, if the article is correct. Paramount is trying to clean up their balance sheet so they can be an attractive merger target for , someone, forget who, but bottom line is Trek is almost certainly going to be de-emphasized. Sucks. I think that the merger that's been in the news is Discovery / HBO max Warner Bros.
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Which is incredibly bad news. Worst case scenario. They're the ones who really like to shelve entire properties for short term breaks and are basically loving the company's long term value for some short term payoffs.
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Corporations gonna corporation.  That sucks rear end.
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Worse when they merge with someone, less competiton and you know it means mass layoffs. The mergers seldom benefits anyone, well, except certain share holders and the CEO who gets more money.
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Uhhhh be advised - Neelix is dancing, I repeat Neelix is dancing
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Did Neelix actually raise the morale of the crew? Maybe they bonded over bagging on his cooking.
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Big rear end On Fire posted:Did Neelix actually raise the morale of the crew? Maybe they bonded over bagging on his cooking. Tuvok had that “murder neelix” holodeck program. Maybe he didn’t make that, and it’s just something that popped up in the “frequently played” tab?
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Turns out it was just a default holodeck setting
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Gutcruncher posted:Tuvok had that “murder neelix” holodeck program. Maybe he didn’t make that, and it’s just something that popped up in the “frequently played” tab? Yea, but you can't say that Tuvok's morale didn't improve after choking out neelix. So yes he improved morale.
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If we could all choke out Neelix we'd be happier people.
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The Last Call posted:If we could all choke out Neelix we'd be happier people. Simply name your penis Neelix (if applicable)
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Peenix I’d watch THAT transporter accident episode
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Big rear end On Fire posted:Did Neelix actually raise the morale of the crew? Maybe they bonded over bagging on his cooking. There's always room for having someone around you can look at and think to yourself "at least I'm not that guy"
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Barry Foster posted:There's always room for having someone around you can look at and think to yourself "at least I'm not that guy" The only person who would benefit in that way from the addition of Neelix is Harry Kim
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Hollismason posted:I think that the merger that's been in the news is Discovery / HBO max Warner Bros. And then Disney buys that and no more gay aliens. 🤬
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maybeadracula posted:Simply name your penis Neelix (if applicable) Been doing that for decades now.
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“computer, disengage safety protocols” ENGAGE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8205kJSig4A This popped into my recommended tab and I got wondering if the writers in Season 1 realized how insanely arrogant this speech makes Picard sound. I often think about how much of a dick Picard can be in Seasons 1 and 2 and whether that was intentional or more a case of Roddenberry oversight and bad writing. Because in the greater context of the show it is fun watching Picard grow out of being a pompous dickhead into a level headed diplomat but how much of that was the plan all along is up to interpretation.
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Mulaney Power Move posted:An episode where Dax makes out with a woman is OK because two hot women kissing is considered less offensive than Garak and Bashir, smh To be fair, even showing two women kissing was pretty controversial at the time. But yeah, there's no way an episode showing two guys kissing would've made it to air back in the '90s.
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Big rear end On Fire posted:Did Neelix actually raise the morale of the crew? Maybe they bonded over bagging on his cooking. Oh, Janeway didn't make him Morale Officer to raise morale. Arc Hammer posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8205kJSig4A It's a bit arrogant, but with his following it up "I see us one day becoming that", I take it more as optimism, one of TNG's strongest traits.
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It's better than modern trek which would do the same thing but recite Sublime lyrics instead! yeah i haven't watched star trek in a while
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Mulaney Power Move posted:It's better than modern trek which would do the same thing but recite Sublime lyrics instead! You should. SNW, LD, and Prodigy all go a long way to unfucking everything JJ and DIsco did.
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please let us get 5+ full seasons of SNW before the Parmonut Pluts ‘Pocalypse©️™️
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I wonder what the streaming numbers are for SNW. The production budget for Disco and SNW must be huge. I'd argue newest trek doesn't need to be that big. The people, relationships and story telling are way more important than movie level sets and effects. Maybe there's a way for whoever ends up with the property to make ST stories that justify the ROI.
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Big rear end On Fire posted:I wonder what the streaming numbers are for SNW. SNW was the first streaming Trek show to crack the Nielsen Top 10 list since Paramount started releasing their metrics to them, so it's doing rather well as far as bullshit Hollywood nerd numbers go. Picard also, I think was a Top 10'er, and Discovery constantly appeared in the Netflix Top 10s when it was on there, and Prodigy also was in the Top 10 the week it dropped on Netflix. So people a lot are watching Modern Trek just going by publicly visible metrics.
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DaveWoo posted:To be fair, even showing two women kissing was pretty controversial at the time. But yeah, there's no way an episode showing two guys kissing would've made it to air back in the '90s. Yeah, the 90's way to do an acceptable girl-on-girl kiss, on ds8 and other 90's shows, is to contrive a way for them to never kiss again or even have it mentioned in future episodes. Like it was a mistake, their love is doomed, it was a one time thing, etc etc. Coupling up is out of the question. Perish the thought that our beloved female character was not actually available to the men around her, and by extent the male viewer - that would be sacrilege!
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DaveWoo posted:To be fair, even showing two women kissing was pretty controversial at the time. Well, it was okay if it was gratuitous, like how all the women in the mirror universe were sexy leather clad bisexuals. Nobody had a problem with that!
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Big rear end On Fire posted:I wonder what the streaming numbers are for SNW. Yeah The Orville certainly looks chintzy at times and have things like their shuttle chairs just being off the shelf Gamer Chairs but it is honestly fine. I wouldn't mind a trek series looking like it in the slightest. Still had some fun alien and creature and tech designs for sure, even if there were obvious cuts elsewhere like a tiny generic engineering set.
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Big rear end On Fire posted:Did Neelix actually raise the morale of the crew? Maybe they bonded over bagging on his cooking. what better way to unite the maquis and loyalists amongst the crew than with a common enemy?
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Cookie Cutter posted:Yeah, the 90's way to do an acceptable girl-on-girl kiss, on ds8 and other 90's shows, is to contrive a way for them to never kiss again or even have it mentioned in future episodes. Like it was a mistake, their love is doomed, it was a one time thing, etc etc. Coupling up is out of the question. Perish the thought that our beloved female character was not actually available to the men around her, and by extent the male viewer - that would be sacrilege! Mirror universe lesbians only e: heh beaten
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MikeJF posted:Well, it was okay if it was gratuitous, like how all the women in the mirror universe were sexy leather clad bisexuals. Nobody had a problem with that!   
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Lmao Jesus, wasn't expecting that one.
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mycomancy posted:Lmao Jesus, wasn't expecting that one. 
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