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Theantero posted:Dark Flame has the word 'flame' in it so clearly Der Shooty is going to be a Burn identity Sidenote: The thing Don is fighting in her ID is probably Fragment of the Universe, she's got it's EGO gift, there are these spindly black strands in the background, and it's face is a dead ringer. RandomReader fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Jan 5, 2024 |
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Re: whether or not Outis is a traitor, I think that she's an incredibly ruthless pragmatist. There's definitely a lot of heavy foreshadowing that she's a traitor, but for every Identity like Blade Lineage that implies that there's ones like 7 Outis who's genuinely loyal and altruistic(and fwiw, I definitely don't read Cinq Outis as plotting against Don and Sinclair, she's just a jerk and they're both...unconventional for leaders). After Canto 5 and 5.5, I'm pretty sure that Outis doesn't want to backstab Dante-not out of any personal fondness, but because their death will lead to terrible consequences for her and have her unable to fulfill her goals. Now, the Sinners and Limbus Company as a whole, on the other hand... Yeah, Outis is 100% willing to do that. Hell, IIRC she pretty openly said in Canto 5(she claimed the same thing in Canto 2, but it was in more of a comedic context) that she considers Dante and herself the only indispensible members of the team and is absolutely willing to kill any of the others if they become inconvenient. That said, she's been very blunt about this, so. IMO, I'm a little dubious that there's a traitor qua traitor. I mean, the guy who claimed that there would almost certainly be a traitor was Dongrang, and that moment is pretty easy to see as him projecting like an IMAX. I think that there are many Sinners who may turn against the team, and I think that there's a whole lot of people with their own agendas, but straight up 'working for someone else and intending to betray the team as a premeditated thought' I can't really see for anyone. (I do think it's very very likely that Heathcliff will end up betraying the team in Canto 6. I'm expecting that whole Canto to be an absolute shitshow all around  )
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Something to point out is in Hell's Kitchen Outis' meal was noted for having actual feelings put into it, so either she's really good at fooling Distortions with her shoe licking or by then she did grow some respect for Dante. And given she's meant to be Odysseus in the middle of the odessy (her trailer video and being named Outis) I expect she did get a lot of subordinates killed or was screwed by disloyal subordinates since both are the common ocurrences in the original poem. Which would expect both her obsession with following Dante (don't be disloyal to the commander) and her tendency to start barking orders (don't dare disobey her)
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TeeQueue posted:My entire strategy with liusquad revolves around spamming lust skills to get a bajillion whistles to break the SP curve over my knee, and NClair is not nearly as good when you're regularly pushing 30-40 SP by floor 2 of MD. Even if you don't Whistle spam, MD is not great for negative sanity IDs because enemies start outleveling you, meaning passive SP gains for all your team members when an enemy dies.
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:Something to point out is in Hell's Kitchen Outis' meal was noted for having actual feelings put into it, so either she's really good at fooling Distortions with her shoe licking or by then she did grow some respect for Dante. Yeah this is generally where i'm at. That part in 3.5 in particular is why I can't really buy her sychophancy as entirely an act. She also gets kinda embarassed when it's pointed out. Solitair posted:I already blew a lot of my 10-pulls trying to get Outis's Holiday EGO, so who knows what I'll be able to get. Belated protip: never roll for EGO, the chance of getting EGO doesn't increase just the chance that you'll get that specific one if an EGO does roll. This uh doesn't really help you now though. e: GiantRockFromSpace posted:wait poo poo Walpurgisnacht already? fff i'm bad at saving, I do have some but gotta have to pray. At least announcers are honestly nice: incentivizes some people to pull but has 0 gameplay effect unlike IDs and EGOs. NClair is a lot more limited than it first seems, especially in longform content. Him being really good is also his biggest flaw and he needs to be babysat lest he become too sane. Yinlock fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Jan 5, 2024 |
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If nclair starts getting sane you just make him shoot the soup mortar at the enemies. If you're in the mirror dungeon you've got so much orange to go around probably.
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Octatonic posted:If nclair starts getting sane you just make him shoot the soup mortar at the enemies. If you're in the mirror dungeon you've got so much orange to go around probably. tbh I've never gotten the hang of nclair, that's why I've just been running cinq now lol
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Google Jeb Bush posted:tbh I've never gotten the hang of nclair, that's why I've just been running cinq now lol Given how most newer enemies gently caress with sp somehow it's very easy to have him suddenly plummet or skyrocket without warning, I also use Cinq because yeah babysitting him is a pain in the rear end. That said he's still the king of one-off content
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Yinlock posted:Belated protip: never roll for EGO, the chance of getting EGO doesn't increase just the chance that you'll get that specific one if an EGO does roll. This uh doesn't really help you now though. I only did that because I couldn't buy it in the dispensary, or at least I thought I couldn't. Plus there's that sweet, sweet bonus to giftsacks to think about.
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You know, Don's new E.G.O. ID reminds me of a sheepish hungry Gremlin. That uptied portrait's pose especially.
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Solitair posted:I only did that because I couldn't buy it in the dispensary, or at least I thought I couldn't. Plus there's that sweet, sweet bonus to giftsacks to think about. Only Walpurgis has that property, you can buy event IDs/EGOs just fine as long as it's the same season. I bought it immediately for Sacks
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Yinlock posted:Only Walpurgis has that property, you can buy event IDs/EGOs just fine as long as it's the same season. I bought it immediately for Sacks atm it's the only EGO that you'd find in the "Season 3" section of the dispensary, which in turn is the only section to not have an EGO tab, instead placing it with the IDs. And it also puts it on a separate line from the IDs, meaning that if there are at least 4 Season 3 IDs you haven't bought then (at least on mobile) it doesn't show up in the season 3 tab when you open it. It took me embarrassingly long to notice that I could scroll down on that tab, so I could understand someone not finding it when they looked and assuming that they just couldn't. Arkanian fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Jan 7, 2024 |
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Arkanian posted:atm it's the only EGO that you'd find in the "Season 3" section of the dispensary, which in turn is the only section to not have an EGO tab, instead placing it with the IDs. And it also puts it on a separate line from the IDs, meaning that if there are at least 4 Season 3 IDs you haven't bought then (at least on mobile) it doesn't show up in the season 3 tab when you open it. It took me embarrassingly long to notice that I could scroll down on that tab, so I could understand someone not finding it when they looked and assuming that they just couldn't. I found it right away but tbf I always forget the EGO tab even exists and look in the ID tab first like an idiot, so maybe this change was for me specifically.
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https://steamcommunity.com/games/1973530/announcements/detail/3880478611786244492 So while there's a lot of minor stuff here, one thing of note is that Nails and something called "Dark Flame" (obviously going to relate to Magic Bullet Outis) are classified as "Unique Status Effects" and Bleed and Burn-based EGO gifts are now also going to apply when applying those. So Wound Clerid and Rusted Cutting Knife will now benefit N Corp teams more than they already did. Burn-based Gifts will also apply but as we don't have Magic Bullet Outis's skills yet or what Dark Flame does right now, we'll just have to wait and see in about two hours.
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Looks like I got my fifth burn ID. 
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Junpei posted:https://steamcommunity.com/games/1973530/announcements/detail/3880478611786244492 Well poo poo, I built my teams in a specific way because N Corp wasn't working together on Bleed and I needed Sinclair in Burn, now I'll have to rework these team lineups.
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Can we talk about the 1.3% rate for announcers that are never removed from the pool once you get one. also what the actual gently caress is Dark Flame Outis that is obscene levels of power creep.
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It might just be a really cringe version of normal flame. She does have her arm bandaged up, after all.  I can't find a skill explanation yet anyways, so who knows. EDIT: oh i found it and it's pretty drat good. Everyone got their burn deluge they were hoping for I guess. SECOND EDIT: ah gently caress she might be another minus coin wonder. 
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PlasticAutomaton posted:Can we talk about the 1.3% rate for announcers that are never removed from the pool once you get one. I'm almost certain that she'll be pretty likely to blow up her own side to compensate. TeeQueue posted:It might just be a really cringe version of normal flame. She does have her arm bandaged up, after all. Maybe, but I don't think so. She does lower her own sanity but that's for the murder the party gimmick more than anything else I'd say.
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PlasticAutomaton posted:Can we talk about the 1.3% rate for announcers that are never removed from the pool once you get one. Going by the news, they only affect 0 and 00 identity pull rates (so at worst they make HookLu and MeatDon harder to get) and dupe announcers give you 50 thread crates which. Honestly makes them a happy dupe lol.
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TeeQueue posted:SECOND EDIT: ah gently caress she might be another minus coin wonder. I doubt it since she has +Coin Power effects which wouldn't make sense on a minus Coin ID. I assume the SP penalty on her final skill is there for balance reasons.
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  The skill explanations, for those who want to see them. Don is Rupture? I didn't expect that. Would have preferred Sinking, but thank god it's not Bleed.
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Don's Support Passive is extremely funky.
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These design are so good I wonder if the announcers will be available in the Dispensary in the next Walpurgis events: I doubt it, but I think they don't state it clearly in the announcement.
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Actually looking at Outis's S3 mechanics, I really don't think she's a negative coin ID. Her S3 is basically EGO mechanics - it costs SP to use, is a single coin attack with high attack weight, and if you use it below an SP threshold there's a chance of Corroding and attacking allies.
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Don being Rupture is nice since it gives her an ID to use in Rupture teams, albeit I'd have preferred her to be more Blunt since Rupture sort-of lacks Blunt IDs and has lots of Slash IDs. She does have competition with KHong on the tank role but her support is good on him and she has Rupture Count on a 1-coin S1 so she's better at that. Outis does seem like finally an ID to make use of Burn's easy stacking given she gains both damage and clashing power out of Burn stacks (and hilariously Poise. She could technically gain 99 Poise before her attacks if the stars align). Her SP control is also mitigated by both Holiday and Blind Obsession being SP healers and both being on the main Burn units. Now give us a Ryoshu/Faust/Rodnya Liu ID so we can loving use the Burn EGOs besides ABS and Sinclair's 9:2.
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Was not expecting Burn on Outis but good lord we've needed a new Burn ID like forever. Has some absurd nuke potential but it's pride-based so it's not entirely foolproofGilliamYaeger posted:The skill explanations, for those who want to see them. Bleed would be preferable, honestly. Bleed could use some non-Meursault Count support and it's Rupture so you know those Count numbers are gonna be nothing e: that's just my bias talking though. rupture smells and is lame Yinlock fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Jan 8, 2024 |
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The secret burn ID that makes burn Really Good is 7 Yi Sang with UT4 Fourth Match Flame.
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Yinlock posted:Was not expecting Burn on Outis but good lord we've needed a new Burn ID like forever. Has some absurd nuke potential but it's pride-based so it's not entirely foolproof
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Yinlock posted:Was not expecting Burn on Outis but good lord we've needed a new Burn ID like forever. Has some absurd nuke potential but it's pride-based so it's not entirely foolproof I mean, Rupture is bonus damage. If you manage to put a lot of Rupture, that mean extra damage that bypass resistance.
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GilliamYaeger posted:Bleed would mean I'd need to stop running Little Sister Don on that team, which isn't happening. 
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L.U.I.G.I posted:I mean, Rupture is bonus damage. If you manage to put a lot of Rupture, that mean extra damage that bypass resistance. Rupture might as well be true damage, and that's why it has such poor count application. It completely bypasses most bosses gimmicks except specifically taking less damage from Rupture. It's really obvious if you get the Rupture Count MD gifts why they're careful with count. Because you can just completely nullify any and all thought requirements once you get enough rupture potency and count. Burn is (until Dark Flame) once per turn, Sinking against abnos is the same but against sanity havers is not and Sinking Deluge makes up for it, Bleed is also pretty high damage but also theoretically needs better count application because any coin flip triggers it. Rupture is just true damage per hit, and I've absolutely smoked stuff that was taking 1 damage from my attacks otherwise because of that.
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Giving me some strong Hungry Sheepish Gremlin energy, right here. Especially with her pose.
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GilliamYaeger posted:Bleed would mean I'd need to stop running Little Sister Don on that team, which isn't happening. i've been waffling on who to leave out of my bleed team to get my faust fluid sac fix (from n faust, who is bleed adjacent but has Mediocre Numbers these days), is little sister don that good? peqliff seems to be consistently my all-star Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 10:32 on Jan 9, 2024 |
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red plastic cup posted:The secret burn ID that makes burn Really Good is 7 Yi Sang with UT4 Fourth Match Flame. i'm a meursault capote evangelist, it's ideal if you have some incidental tremor (which the burn team core does not) but it still turns your massive burn into stagger also, it's the only useful thing meursault can do outside of rhino identity and Chains of Others e: but yes Burnoutis is going to be what makes burn teams work Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 10:38 on Jan 9, 2024 |
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Pursuance is Right There man
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Google Jeb Bush posted:i'm a meursault capote evangelist, it's ideal if you have some incidental tremor (which the burn team core does not) but it still turns your massive burn into stagger True, but Meursault already has a Burn ID, which excludes him from the club of secret Burn IDs.
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Google Jeb Bush posted:i've been waffling on who to leave out of my bleed team to get my faust fluid sac fix (from n faust, who is bleed adjacent but has Mediocre Numbers these days), is little sister don that good? I want to see this work.
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