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The 7th Guest posted:but if you're just doing it for fun or as a hobby, then yeah, it'd be weird if you weren't making videos you enjoy, though sometimes if you want to do a topic or specialization for fun, you might be surprised at what audience could show up, if you've found an underserved niche You also don't know when they're going to turn up. One of my videos was a stupid 40 second clip of a super annoying bootleg battery powered toy based on an old Japanese cartoon about a robot cat which I uploaded so I could show it to a friend online (this was in the days before facebook) and it sat practically unwatched for 15 years until the algo suddenly started pushing it via 'suggested video' and it blew up  I'm assuming that a really popular channel released a video with similar keywords which was enough to get my lovely vid pinged by the algorithm. I also got 47 new subscribers, lol Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 08:24 on Jan 4, 2024 |
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The 7th Guest posted:on the career standpoint though, it feels like a lot of creators end up having to circle the same material if it's what people are searching for. like, when Ukelele Apology happened, it felt like nearly every single creator on Youtube did a video about it. imagine being the 53rd person to do a video on the same subject, when all other observations have been made, because it's the only way to please the algorithm and land on people's home page. just seems kinda miserable to me
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Jan 4, 2024 08:17
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:You also don't know when they're going to turn up. One of my videos was a stupid 40 second clip of a super annoying bootleg battery powered toy based on an old Japanese cartoon about a robot cat which I uploaded so I could show it to a friend online (this was in the days before facebook) and it sat practically unwatched for 15 years until the algo suddenly started pushing it via 'suggested video' and it blew up Time to get the patreon going and cash in
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Jan 4, 2024 14:34
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Youtube essayist Sarah Zedig/@letstalkaboutstuff just wrote an informative post serendipitously on this very topic:quote:[Jeffiot, the guy who made the video on the skull trumpet gif] went from having just over 5k subs when i first started writing this draft on December 22nd, to exceeding 50k less than two weeks later, with the skull trumpet vid itself sitting pretty at over a quarter of a million views, the most of anything on his channel by several orders of magnitude. i mention all this because i think it typifies The Grind, on youtube but also as one working in any creative economy online (if you utter the phrase "content creator" at me i'm going to erase you from history). getting started as a video essayist, you will pour your heart and soul into videos that almost no one will watch. you will try to chase the algorithm, and it won't work. you will try to make something just for you, and it also won't work. some vids will break through more than others, but the progress will be achingly slow to the point of feeling nonexistent. you will do this for months and months, in some cases years, and you will ask yourself always... is it worth it? am i just dumping my art into an uncaring void for no reason? There's a decent bit more than just this, too. It's an very interesting read! https://cohost.org/vidrev/post/3962917-video-essay-roundup
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Jan 4, 2024 14:53
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Alaois posted:i like that guy who makes videos about Balearic slings Same. Legit, I have always been fascinated with rock slings since I was introduced to them at the age of 8 by playing Ultima 4 on the NES, and found the Archaic Arms channel videos about Balearic slings a few months ago. I have since spent 22-ish bucks on jute twine and have braided over a dozen or so slings. They work, too! I doubt they’re amazing quality, but it’s been a delight to finally pick up a hobby I have been wanting to try for decades. Doubly good for being so cheap of a hobby; literally just $22 Canadian and I still have a buuuuuunch of twine left to make some more slings. That said, I started looking into this in earnest during the 2020 lockdown; it’s been a frustrating hobby to try and pursue because the only people who I could find talking about it were survivalist groups, who are perceptibly more skewed towards shithead whackjobbery than swords guys. It’s a shame Shadiversity is still kind of “THE YouTube Sword Guy” even though more people are beginning to smell the crap he spews.
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Jan 4, 2024 15:32
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I have a random final fantasy 15 bug video that Youtube decided years later needed to be super popular https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BX3NVC5aAw. I still get a random massive influx of viewers for it occasionally.
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Jan 4, 2024 18:51
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I wonder if that's spillover from FF16 being super successful and having a ton of popular videos about it
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Jan 4, 2024 19:24
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My two most popular videos are 5 second Simpsons clips from 13 years ago.
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Jan 4, 2024 20:20
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Hey thats more than me. All I do is just upload hyperspecific videogame music
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Jan 4, 2024 20:29
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I love editing, I wish I still had a cracked copy of After Effects though.
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Jan 4, 2024 20:33
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In terms of not creating content to appease the algorithm, I tend to find the algorithm itself obnoxious. You click one 2 minute comedy video and then you're barraged with 70% comedy videos. Same with whatever else. I will go in clearly knowing what I want to watch, like, I'm in a game reviews mood can I just get a list of mandalores nearest neighbors to browse. Oh, word? Only individual videos and only filterable by terms that frequently have nothing to do with the actual videos that appear under that filter? I can't even pick which filters appear, it's just some rng seed of 15 things I've watched before? Used to be able to go to a YouTuber and then go to the channels pane to escape this by seeing what channels your favorite creators are subbed to, but it feels like any autonomy in trying to discover stuff is increasingly stripped out of the app to force you to interact with the algorithm. Have to go to places like this thread, the essay library, reddit to find new voices organically. Imagine data shows forcing you into the algorithm increases the amount you watch, but engaging with it much always tends to foster dissatisfaction for me. bird. fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Jan 4, 2024 |
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Jan 4, 2024 20:53
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bird. posted:In terms of not creating content to appease the algorithm, I tend to find the algorithm itself obnoxious. You click one 2 minute comedy video and then you're barraged with 70% comedy videos. Same with whatever else. I will go in clearly knowing what I want to watch, like, I'm in a game reviews mood can I just get a list of mandalores nearest neighbors to browse. Oh, word? Only individual videos and only filterable by terms that frequently have nothing to do with the actual videos that appear under that filter? I can't even pick which filters appear, it's just some rng seed of 15 things I've watched before? That's pretty much also been my experience. It doesn't help that almost any recommendation algorithm on a major platform I've had to engage with is really bad at actually showing you new and interesting stuff, and instead just kind of keeps throwing you around the same ecosystem of stuff that's the most popular within a niche. I've tried a couple of sites for recommending books to broaden my horizons a bit, but after entering a list of the novels I've been reading recently it just spits out a list of other novels by the same authors, or the most obvious and prominent works in the fantasy genre that I would already have been aware of normally. It's also why I refuse to engage with TikTok on any level, since it strips out almost all capacity to not engage with the algorithm. The one thing I've noticed Youtube has started doing that I actually appreciate is throwing in random, recently uploaded videos of songs in my recommendations sidebar that typically have under 1,000 total views. This is what I ultimately want out of a recommendation algorithm: A system that highlights content that is similar to stuff I already enjoy, but that I wouldn't have been aware of otherwise.
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Jan 4, 2024 21:26
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YouTube is definitely not the worst of its peers, in fact it might still be the best platform in this regard, but it used to be better, like just had better features which the paring down of is worrisome.
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Jan 4, 2024 21:32
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Talking about small channels pursuing niche interests the algo directed me to this guy who does in-depth production histories of the people who make music for the hardcore rhythm game crowd Leaf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-uNxMyheig Frums https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moYoJWf9sIg Silentroom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th-c6okksMU
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Jan 4, 2024 21:45
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bird. posted:YouTube is definitely not the worst of its peers, in fact it might still be the best platform in this regard, but it used to be better, like just had better features which the paring down of is worrisome. The switch to pushing Shorts so hard is really worrying and annoying. Thankfully Youtube doesn't seem to have cracked the secret recipe for how to make their version of the infinite feed as good as TikTok and Instagram Reels.
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Jan 4, 2024 21:53
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bird. posted:In terms of not creating content to appease the algorithm, I tend to find the algorithm itself obnoxious. You click one 2 minute comedy video and then you're barraged with 70% comedy videos. Same with whatever else. I will go in clearly knowing what I want to watch, like, I'm in a game reviews mood can I just get a list of mandalores nearest neighbors to browse. Oh, word? Only individual videos and only filterable by terms that frequently have nothing to do with the actual videos that appear under that filter? I can't even pick which filters appear, it's just some rng seed of 15 things I've watched before? well put. It's been a long time since I had something suggested to me that I wanted to watch, other than more videos from the channel I just watched. fez_machine posted:Talking about small channels pursuing niche interests the algo directed me to this guy who does in-depth production histories of the people who make music for the hardcore rhythm game crowd The search results do usually serve up something watchable on whatever topic I search for though. I'd say it's a bit of a mixed bag, really. Trying to divine what's going on behind the curtain, and catering to those ideas seems like a good way to be led down some ugly paths, and a good way to find a lot of disappointment. B33rChiller fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Jan 5, 2024 |
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Jan 5, 2024 00:03
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Kim Justice posted:TBH it can be kind of a challenge to go straight in to a popular or crowded topic where you're going to be competing with soooo much related videos every day. Relatively speaking the BOTW video seems to have done ok compared to the other two, Animal Crossing would understandably be a letdown. I wonder if the thing with Candy Crush is "are you going to get the sort of people who have an interest in Candy Crush to watch that sort of video?". I don't know if that sort of casual audience has many people who'd happily watch a near 30-minute video examining/about the game, regardless of quality. That said it IS only 3 days old, so really it's still at a stage where anything could happen. When you're at this stage it's all about experimenting with things a bit, seeing what sort of vid works for you, and also...yeah, being consistent with it too definitely helps. It's best not to think too much about the algorithm right now, really -- no, it's not likely to be shadowbanning you or anything. You may well find the algorithm suddenly shines upon you one day and you're not entirely sure why, and it's not even necessarily for something new that you've done. Also, it does seem as though the algorithm lately is picking up vids from small channels (should be stressed this is never an exact science -- just based on the sort of thing people are seeing in their recommendations). sleepwalkers posted:I’m honestly surprised more people haven’t said something along these lines. Gotta do it because you enjoy it and get some satisfaction out of the process of creating first! Get used to making and releasing stuff regularly if it’s what you want to do, find some friendly places to promote if you want, and set up some healthy habits. Just starting out feels waaay too early to get hung up on viewership/engagement, and like you’re setting yourself up for (figurative) failure. The 7th Guest posted:if you're trying to make a career out of youtube videos then, well, first of all that's not a great idea, but in that case... just making stuff you enjoy won't necessarily get you there, but that doesn't mean slaving over one thing that works like Quinton. Snowglobe of Doom posted:You also don't know when they're going to turn up. One of my videos was a stupid 40 second clip of a super annoying bootleg battery powered toy based on an old Japanese cartoon about a robot cat which I uploaded so I could show it to a friend online (this was in the days before facebook) and it sat practically unwatched for 15 years until the algo suddenly started pushing it via 'suggested video' and it blew up you know what? you guys have convinced me to stick with this and take it more seriously.  while i do think it's fair to point out that a lot that 6 month break i took had to do with outside forces beyond my control, i'd be lying if i said i'd be be focusing on my videos otherwise. the truth is that i was also lazy and also overwhelmed at the workload i had ahead of me. plus the fact that the two previous vids barely made a blip really took a toll on the spirit. but now i'm gonna really go all out. gonna try to bump out a video every two weeks at the very least. and maybe then all this effort might bear fruit 
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Jan 5, 2024 01:05
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Schwarzwald posted:Youtube essayist Sarah Zedig/@letstalkaboutstuff just wrote an informative post serendipitously on this very topic: That link has some good video recommendations, I really enjoyed The rise and fall of New Atheism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK1e-Os2Ngg I was remembering that ContraPoints had a similar video about this topic but took it down, so it was nice to watch another video about it.
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Jan 5, 2024 01:59
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Schwarzwald posted:Youtube essayist Sarah Zedig/@letstalkaboutstuff just wrote an informative post serendipitously on this very topic: that's a good piece you quoted but do you have to have an account on cohost to see the rest? cause i don't see anything on there when i click the link edit: wait nevermind lol Mr Interweb fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Jan 5, 2024 |
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Jan 5, 2024 02:07
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bird. posted:In terms of not creating content to appease the algorithm, I tend to find the algorithm itself obnoxious. You click one 2 minute comedy video and then you're barraged with 70% comedy videos. Same with whatever else. I will go in clearly knowing what I want to watch, like, I'm in a game reviews mood can I just get a list of mandalores nearest neighbors to browse. Oh, word? Only individual videos and only filterable by terms that frequently have nothing to do with the actual videos that appear under that filter? I can't even pick which filters appear, it's just some rng seed of 15 things I've watched before? I've picked up the habit of opening videos in a private window if I suspect they might screw up my recommendations, or at least scrubbing them from my watch history afterwards. Also if I'm not getting any recommendations that interest me I'll sometimes pick a relevant video and open it in a private window so the recommendations it generates aren't influenced by my watch history, I've quite often found interesting new stuff by sidestepping the algorithm that way. That loving algo  DaysBefore posted:Time to get the patreon going and cash in I'm going to use this newfound popularity to pivot into an OnlyFans career. 
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Jan 5, 2024 12:17
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just turn watch history off lol. stop letting a computer choose for you
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Jan 5, 2024 15:16
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I trust my computer. It's helped me game.
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Jan 5, 2024 15:51
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Usually it just gives me video essays I've already played a dozen times. I might have a problem.
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Jan 5, 2024 17:40
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My YouTube bookmark just goes straight to the subscriptions page. On the video front, I've just released something that's perhaps a bit more of a serious topic than what I've been doing lately. It turns out that the first emulator I ever properly used has quite the dramatic story behind it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRT-X2_BK-c
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Jan 5, 2024 18:29
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Randalor posted:... because someone else worked on it? Like if he wanted to take a page from Hitman + social intrigue, each should have been their own micro-scenarios, with the results of previous ones having an effect on subsequent ones. For instance, do some visual-novel-style choice segments, and the results of it determine who's in later action segments and how they behave. That could have made for a serviceable single-dev game and maybe even interesting if the choices have an impact multiple scenarios down the line. Mr Interweb posted:my friend uses da vinci resolve, which has a free version. i haven't used it myself, but according to him, you can do a bunch of really cool stuff even without paying for the full version, depending on how ambitious your editing goals are. Seconding Davinci Resolve. Also they've got a bunch of handy video tutorials on their site. Even the basics for each section will get you to most editing features. https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/training Mr Interweb posted:and yeah, i would have assumed that just by going into broad topics that i'd get some more traffic, simply by accident. but i dunno. almost feels like yt is shadowbanning me or something Your early videos were during the tail end of YT pushing shorts to compete with TikTok, and at that time (and to some extent now) shorts were the best way to pull in new subs. Take some of your best bits or hottest takes in the above videos, make them into shorts and see if those get some views/eyeballs/subscribers. Even if you just make a preview for each as a short it might help.
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Jan 5, 2024 18:40
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the vinci resolve
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Yeah YouTube's recommendation is really frustrating. there was a period a couple of years ago around the time when the alt right pipeline phrase became en vogue where nearly all the videos my YouTube homepage we're full of poo poo from the likes of Ben Shapiro Steven Crowder and Jordan Peterson. It was even more annoying because even watching a video dunking on these shitheads would cause the algorithm to recommend me videos that were positive towards them. that being said, it seemed to have gotten better over the last year or so for me. Recently it started getting a little bit wonky again. I think I saw some clip of Tim pool by accident and now half my feed keeps recommending me conservative garbage. but what's particularly annoying about this is that the lovely videos seems super weighted. like I can watch a 10-second clip of these douchebags and that's all it takes for me to see similar content for weeks. meanwhile I can watch hours and hours of different videos on video games and film reviews or whatever and it's barely making a dent.stillvisions posted:
I'm glad you brought this up cause I'm genuinely confused on how shorts are supposed to work. I've heard all kinds of different things from different people. some people say that shorts are a great way to grow your overall Channel, but others have said that shorts are great for increasing only things like subscribers but have no effect on long-form content. Mr Interweb fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Jan 5, 2024 |
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Jan 5, 2024 20:56
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If you ever accidentally click on one of the awful people for whatever reason, get rid of that poo poo from your history ASAP because the usual goon combo of interests sends us flying toward Chudspace, and if YT thinks you're interested in both Lefty politicky things and righty ones it will just go totally apeshit at finding the Perfect Viewer who loves all high engagement content and throw everything it can find at your feed.
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Jan 5, 2024 21:17
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YouTube is very upset at the fact I'm not 14 anymore.
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Jan 5, 2024 21:22
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stillvisions posted:
please literally do not do this. i will watch some of your vids and push them on ppl word of mouth if it will prevent you from playing into this poo poo lol
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Jan 5, 2024 21:22
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Annointed posted:YouTube is very upset at the fact I'm not 14 anymore. in fairness, i am also very upset that i am not 14 anymore
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Jan 5, 2024 21:23
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Shorts are a loving blight and it annoys me to no end that there's no way I can find to remove them from taking up a huge chunk of the subscriptions tab.
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Jan 5, 2024 21:26
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Sydin posted:Shorts are a loving blight and it annoys me to no end that there's no way I can find to remove them from taking up a huge chunk of the subscriptions tab. There is a firefox add-on for that and its great. "Hide shorts for Youtube"
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Jan 5, 2024 21:31
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Grondoth posted:If you ever accidentally click on one of the awful people for whatever reason, get rid of that poo poo from your history ASAP because the usual goon combo of interests sends us flying toward Chudspace, and if YT thinks you're interested in both Lefty politicky things and righty ones it will just go totally apeshit at finding the Perfect Viewer who loves all high engagement content and throw everything it can find at your feed. you beat me to it but yeah! this! Mr Interweb posted:but what's particularly annoying about this is that the lovely videos seems super weighted. like I can watch a 10-second clip of these douchebags and that's all it takes for me to see similar content for weeks. meanwhile I can watch hours and hours of different videos on video games and film reviews or whatever and it's barely making a dent. i believe the way it works on the backend is that the computer takes any click on a video as burgeoning interest and will actively push you into watching new videos of your presumed new interest. the computer is deliberately built not to make judgement calls to maximize the amount of vids (and by extension, ads they can run) shown to you. also quality videos on hobby subjects are a finite resource. the vast majority of stuff on youtube is pure poo poo; eventually the computer runs out of suggestions
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Kim Justice posted:On the video front, I've just released something that's perhaps a bit more of a serious topic than what I've been doing lately. It turns out that the first emulator I ever properly used has quite the dramatic story behind it. Wow, wild story. Also, that sound test section was painful, glad I wasn't wearing headphones.
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Jan 5, 2024 22:04
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IShallRiseAgain posted:There is a firefox add-on for that and its great. "Hide shorts for Youtube" Oh hey works like a charm, many thanks! Also lol that I now have five different firefox addons with no other function than to just make Youtube slightly less poo poo in one way or another. Extremely cool website.
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Jan 5, 2024 22:10
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I used ublock to disappear the entire Shorts shelf wholesale.
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I stumbled upon this dude who makes music tracks to fit a specific theme. The videos are always short and hit the theme bang on. I just recently got into trying to make music so it's kind of amazing to me that people can just do this at will. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPU7219B2H0 Unperson_47 fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Jan 5, 2024 |
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Ghostlight posted:I used ublock to disappear the entire Shorts shelf wholesale. Same, but also the comments and like half the site. I just wanted to watch videos, youtube. Now I can.
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