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Ferrinus posted:Magic's lead designer is always having to post things like "look, black magic may be the kind used for murder, pestilence, betrayal, greed, and ruthless ambition, but no color is simple as to be straightforwardly 'good' or 'evil'. For instance, besides all that nasty stuff, black mana is also associated with capitalism!" The last straightforwardly-heroic Black character I can remember is... Yahenni, from Kaladesh block? What I'm saying is that Black or even Red/Black can be a story's heroic "good" faction if WotC stops being cowards and gives us a plane about punk rockers fighting against The Man.
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Ferrinus posted:https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/black-2004-02-02  thanks.
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For twelve years, you have been asking: Who is Sorin Markov?
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Zurai posted:Green must fight Purple. Purple must fight Green. Is no other way! new alignment chart based on the teams from legends of the hidden temple
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At least they've consistently shown that white will go fasc with very little prodding.
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red is the only good color but not because of politics, its because if I win fast enough I can make blue/white players (evil) cry and that is the only thing that matters
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green is the faction of dinosaurs, so it's inherently good
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Black isn't really going to generate much beyond anti-heroes, honestly. And that's fine! If you're powered by the magic of "Try and stop me, haters" you aren't going to be a benevolent person. Red, on the other hand, is basically every Shonen protag fighting with the power of friendship, anime, and giant muscles.
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blue is the faction of "no you may not do that thing you were trying to do lol" and that makes it inherently evil red has goblins so it's not evil or good but excellent, because goblins rule
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White has big beefy lionmen who don't like to wear shirts and that's pretty cool
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lightrook posted:The last straightforwardly-heroic Black character I can remember is... Yahenni, from Kaladesh block? in New Capenna the Red/Green/Black guild were basically the teamsters who existed to absolutely ruin the day of the other two black aligned factions which were "Just openly the mob" and "the cops" e: Also they tend to have individual heroic characters in black but they're usually several colors that include black, like Kaito or Naishi. but if there's a Villain you bet your *rear end* they've got a Skull pip in their mana cost somewhere. Kurieg fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Jan 6, 2024 |
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Kurieg posted:but if there's a Villain you bet your *rear end* they've got a Skull pip in their mana cost somewhere. Elesh Norn.
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Zurai posted:Elesh Norn. the Praetors are kind of cheating
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Benagain posted:At least they've consistently shown that white will go fasc with very little prodding. White are liberals.
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Magic's best black magic-aligned protagonist (as opposed to their best black protagonist, who is and always will be Koth) is Sorin, because his selfishness is contextualized via his hatred of things threatening his ability to be an rear end in a top hat vampire. Gotta kill all of those goddamn Eldrazi because they're an existential threat to the multiverse and I live in the multiverse alongside all of the people I plan to eat.
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Zurai posted:Elesh Norn. admanb posted:the Praetors are kind of cheating Every color except Red has an evil character in the praetors, and even then Vorinclex was just too hungry and stupid to be anything other than a very large scary animal. The actual motive power behind the green phyrexians was Glissa who's also black. The Red Praetor took his colors themes of "independence and self determination" to the logical extreme of "if these people don't want to get eaten then that's valid." and also "mandatory state religion loving sucks."
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My favorite alignment is Wizardry's but only for the descriptions being that good will always help an old lady cross the street, neutral heroes will do so, if they're heading the same way and evil ones won't. However the evil they all are fighting will help an old lady half way across the street.
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of course the literal D&D magic sets tell us exactly what color a bunch of actual D&D things are, but that's less fun
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Which Magic color has the most waifus
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Nahiri is the other mono white turbo villain. Not even phyrexian. Just a douche. There's also Toshiro Umezawa and Liliana for "somewhat" heroic characters in Black. I still think it could work. D&D has so much room for barely tolerable super selfish anti-heroes it's practically a mainstay.
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Whirling posted:red is the only good color but not because of politics, its because if I win fast enough I can make blue/white players (evil) cry and that is the only thing that matters With a mono-red burn deck either I win or I lose but either way it's over fast and I can leave.
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Nahiri is a terminal fuckup who blames everyone else for every bad thing she's done. Like how she totally wouldn't have had to do an omnicide if the other races didn't overthrow the Kor. It's their own fault honestly.
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Bruceski posted:With a mono-red burn deck either I win or I lose but either way it's over fast and I can leave. anyone who wants a match to go beyond twenty minutes tops is a fiend and must be destroyed via me using the greatest tactics of all: me summoning a bunch of guys to kill them
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Which Magic color has the most waifus blue has like two dozen versions of Jace
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It's every color because the best MTG waifus are slivers. Always down for a group session, stronger in numbers, theoretically even some variation on female.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Which Magic color has the most waifus
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dwarf74 posted:I read that as "walrus" first and was disappointed it wasn't. Sadly, there is no walrus tribal.
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There's a single walrus at least which means it is a type. So with enough perseverance and changelings you can make your dreams come true.
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Kurieg posted:in New Capenna the Red/Green/Black guild were basically the teamsters who existed to absolutely ruin the day of the other two black aligned factions which were "Just openly the mob" and "the cops" Lukka was Red and then R/G. Tibalt eventually did get a black pip on his final card but he spent the vast majority of his time being a mono red rear end in a top hat.
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imweasel09 posted:Lukka was Red and then R/G. Tibalt eventually did get a black pip on his final card but he spent the vast majority of his time being a mono red rear end in a top hat. in Tilbalt's case, black represents competence
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I don't think Lukka had enough brain cells jostling around in his head to understand what evil is.
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Personally I like alignment just fine, I don’t particularly care about the PCs’ alignments since they’re mortals with deeper, more complex characters, but I enjoy having cosmic forces aligned with moral outlooks as a feature of my games. The fact that objective Good in the medieval fantasy setting doesn’t fully line up with modern views on what is “good” is for me a feature rather than a bug. Obviously some stuff is vetoed (e.g. I’m extremely not interested in RPing medieval people’s views on gender or homosexuality), but a little bit of friction between “is this *right* (by our players’ modern moral codes)” and “is this Good (by the moral codes of cosmic forces in the setting” is nice, as long as you restrict it to things like planar adventures where those questions are a main focus. “Can a devil ever be good, and if so what would happen?” Sounds like a fun and interesting question to find the answer to, while “is it morally correct to kill goblin babies” is not going to lead anywhere anyone wants to go.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Which Magic color has the most waifus Ominous Jazz posted:White has big beefy lionmen who don't like to wear shirts and that's pretty cool
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admanb posted:the Praetors are kind of cheating It was just the most recent example. Other notable major mono-white villains include Heliod, Konda, and Akroma.
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Odyssey block had the mirari cycle through character of all the colors except green, and anyone who had the mirari was the villain.
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It's simple: good vs. evil is about how you treat people below you in the social hierarchy, and law vs. chaos is about how you treat people above you
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Zurai posted:It was just the most recent example. Other notable major mono-white villains include Heliod, Konda, and Akroma. Okay fine maybe i was being too general. But most of the villains are black. When they aren't black they're leaning real hard into the rear end in a top hat traits of White or Blue usually, if not just Being loving Azor himself.
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Benagain posted:At least they've consistently shown that white will go fasc with very little prodding. That's why Urza used to be White before he got moved over to Blue.
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Black has the rats, who are good.
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MonsieurChoc posted:That's why Urza used to be White before he got moved over to Blue. You mean in card release order? Urza’s cards have him go from mono-U to UW as he ages from high artificer to dictatorial war guy.
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