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Timby posted:Reich was lost in Indianapolis after Luck retired, and he was overmatched and clearly exhausted in Carolina. He might get an offensive coordinator position but I think his fire to be a head coach is gone. And yet he still made them playoff relevant for several seasons post-Luck with their endless qb carousel, and an owner doing lines off Hendrix’s guitar. Not saying he’s a HoF coach or anything, but compared to Arthur Smith? eh
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Pontius Pilate posted:And yet he still made them playoff relevant for several seasons post-Luck with their endless qb carousel, and an owner doing lines off Hendrix’s guitar. Not saying he’s a HoF coach or anything, but compared to Arthur Smith? eh Frank Reich once lost a game because he called three consecutive passes by Wentz, one of which lead to an INT late in the 4th with a small lead and the clock on his side when his RB was averaging 5 yards a carry. He's a horrible head coach and play caller. His offense is 20 years out of date. Bijan would have about 1500 yards and they'd finish 8-9
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How is Atlanta's defense? They've gotta be the second most desirable coaching spot behind the Chargers if Smith gets fired, between the offensive weapons and just how lovely the south is and will probably continue to be
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The thing about Reich is the Colts OL was loving awful last year under him, and.... good now and the Panthers OL was fine-ish last year and was a dumpster fire this year. That's a pretty bad sign from what a guy's doing.
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Kalli posted:good now and the Panthers OL was fine-ish last year and was a dumpster fire this year. After Reich was fired didn't Carolina change their OL blocking scheme and their OL play got instantly better? That's pretty damning, provided I'm remembering correctly.
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Q_res posted:After Reich was fired didn't Carolina change their OL blocking scheme and their OL play got instantly better? That's pretty damning, provided I'm remembering correctly. panthers ran a power run blocking scheme last year, frank tried to install a zone blocking scheme and it failed utterly, which is what seems to happen literally every time people try it yet they keep doing it for some reason, after he got fired they switched back to power run blocking
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Alaois posted:panthers ran a power run blocking scheme last year, frank tried to install a zone blocking scheme and it failed utterly, which is what seems to happen literally every time people try it yet they keep doing it for some reason, after he got fired they switched back to power run blocking Shanahan offense uses a lot of zone. That's why teams keep trying to change.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Shanahan offense uses a lot of zone. That's why teams keep trying to change. yeah and San Francisco's o-line sucks rear end except for one all-pro! weird!
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Alaois posted:yeah and San Francisco's o-line sucks rear end except for one all-pro! weird! They’re at least good at run blocking, even if they suck at pass blocking. The Panthers were good at neither.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:They’re at least good at run blocking, even if they suck at pass blocking. The Panthers were good at neither. they're good at run blocking, to the left, behind Trent Williams lol
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Alaois posted:yeah and San Francisco's o-line sucks rear end except for one all-pro! weird! I'm saying it's not a mystery. We've got 5 Shanahan HCs and I don't know how many oc's running around it's not a surprise. Browns were making it work in pervious years, but there again all pro guards.
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The titans switched to zone blocking when vrabel took over and it was very good for our offense while we had peak Henry, elite line play at three of five positions and the tannehill/AJB connection but I’d be thrilled to go back on it, we don’t have the personnel to be effective up front at anything right now
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Pontius Pilate posted:And yet he still made them playoff relevant for several seasons post-Luck with their endless qb carousel, and an owner doing lines off Hendrix’s guitar. Not saying he’s a HoF coach or anything, but compared to Arthur Smith? eh I mean and they are back to relevance with a QB carousel so maybe that’s just how the colts roll now
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per schefter... -Tepper has hired outside firm to hire next head coach -Fitterer is out on Monday -Lots of internal support for Dan Morgan to get the GM job
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Thinking about the Eagles… is there any precedent if the Eagles had realized Shane Steichen was the brains of the staff and fired Sirianni to promote him to HC?
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I think the thing about what the Shanahan boys do that's tricky is that it's really not about wide zone blocking so much as it is having a ton of concepts meant to burn teams off of their adjustments to it. Coaches on the outside looking in think they can replicate it, but you need more than "run wide zone and sometimes bootleg play action off of it", there's like 25+ years of institutional knowledge in terms of adjustments and tricks there that seem to require some scheme fluency rather than just trying to reverse engineer it from the outside looking in.Alaois posted:yeah and San Francisco's o-line sucks rear end except for one all-pro! weird! I think one of the things that suckers teams in with it is that they've got a fair amount of plays that are dangers to generate chunk plays as long as you've got like, two guys who land their blocks, and a lot of it is WR/TE/FB play and not as much OL play.
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AndrewP posted:Thinking about the Eagles… is there any precedent if the Eagles had realized Shane Steichen was the brains of the staff and fired Sirianni to promote him to HC? Didn't the Rams essentially shove Vermeil off the boat to promote Martz?
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FizFashizzle posted:per schefter... Ah, the old "blue ribbon committee" approach.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:Ah, the old "blue ribbon committee" approach. THE WOODY JOHNSON SPECIAL!
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Timby posted:Didn't the Rams essentially shove Vermeil off the boat to promote Martz? I mean Vermeil was in his mid-60s at the time, it was easy to sell as a passing of the torch. That's very different from telling a guy "gently caress off, we think your OC is better anyway" after a tough SB loss.
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Timby posted:Didn't the Rams essentially shove Vermeil off the boat to promote Martz? No. Vermeil retired less than a week after the Super Bowl win. Always emotional, he thought he was done with coaching again now that’d he’d won a ring and had that magical 1999 season. However a few months later, I believe he has specially said in interviews it was when they got their Super Bowl rings, Vermeil realized he’d made a mistake and still wanted to keep coaching, so the next year he went to Kansas City.
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Benne posted:I mean Vermeil was in his mid-60s at the time, it was easy to sell as a passing of the torch. lol okay I forgot they had just gone to the Super Bowl. That's a tough move... but hard to argue the Eagles wouldn't be better off for it
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mcmagic posted:THE WOODY JOHNSON SPECIAL! Great thing about the Blue Ribbon Committee is the owner can choose to completely ignore their recommendation but still blame them when it doesn't work out.
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I feel like owners either hire a name brand coach where you know what you're getting or they get lucky/unlucky with a first timer. Those are the only two options
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mcmagic posted:I feel like owners either hire a name brand coach where you know what you're getting or they get lucky/unlucky with a first timer. Those are the only two options I mean, yes, going with someone who has a track record and someone who has none are generally the two options
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"Can't hire a first-timer, he has no experience" "Can't hire an experienced guy, he's just a retread"
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FizFashizzle posted:per schefter... More stuff from this article: -Situation in Tennessee is uncertain; some people think Vrabel and the franchise could have mutual interest in parting ways -Mike McCarthy is not safe and could be in trouble if the Cowboys end the season on a sour note. Also Dallas wants to retain Quinn very badly -Arthur Blank is torn on whether to keep Smith; Atlanta has explored what other options could be out there if they fire him -Dennis Allen is probably safe -Raiders are letting their assistants look for jobs elsewhere which might be a sign Pierce isn't a lock to get the interim tag removed. Davis could be tempted by a big name like Harbaugh -Eberflus is probably safe -Bowles could be in trouble if the Bucs lose to the Panthers (which, duh)
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xbilkis posted:-Bowles could be in trouble if the Bucs lose to the Panthers if someone’s job is contingent on winning one game then just fire him
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Also, stuff from Russini: -Atlanta's staff thinks they're coming back, but Blank is anxious to win ASAP and could be tempted to fire Smith. Falcons could take a big swing for Belichick if the position opens up -Panthers still want Ben Johnson, and Johnson is supposedly open to it -Chargers prefer to hire someone with head coaching experience -Dennis Allen is probably safe, but there will probably be changes to the Saints coaching staff -Unclear what the Bears are going to do but Kevin Warren is going to play a big role in making the call -McCarthy could be on the hot seat if the Cowboys lose to the Commanders
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AndrewP posted:Thinking about the Eagles… is there any precedent if the Eagles had realized Shane Steichen was the brains of the staff and fired Sirianni to promote him to HC? The Cowboys effectively ousted Wade Phillips so they could promote his OC Jason Garrett
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AndrewP posted:Thinking about the Eagles… is there any precedent if the Eagles had realized Shane Steichen was the brains of the staff and fired Sirianni to promote him to HC? The Bucs dropped Lovie Smith after two seasons as HC for their OC Dirk Koetter in 2016 'cause they didn't want him to get poached. They were 6-10 and Koetter guided them to 9-7, 5-11, and 5-11 before he was fired.
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After reading those two articles, I got the sense that Dallas firing McCarthy so they can keep Quinn by making him HC is very much a possibility
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syzpid posted:Completely lost on the hype around Dan Quinn He wears his baseball cap backwards so he can better connect with the youth
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Rooster Brooster posted:you get to use "#quinning" in all your social media posts Also #28-3. Because the 28 is the number of seasons since the Cowboys were in a Super Bowl.
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syzpid posted:Completely lost on the hype around Dan Quinn Cowboys defense is good. Gotta hire coaches from somewhere and there’s not enough Shanahan offensive disciples to go around. A retread who wasn’t a disaster at his first stop and has been good in a coordinator role since being fired isn’t the worst resume. Beats the years of hiring Belichick guys.
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syzpid posted:Completely lost on the hype around Dan Quinn DC's get their shots off their defense being good. The Dallas defense is good. This must be because of his scheme and coaching, not the talent.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:DC's get their shots off their defense being good. The Dallas defense is good. This must be because of his scheme and coaching, not the talent. To be fair to Quinn, he had extremely good defenses in Seattle, and they’ve never been as good since, and now he’s got a very good defense in Dallas when they sucked before he got there. Based on the evidence he’s probably a pretty good defensive coordinator. Yea, he’s had talent to work with but every NFL team has talent and plenty of coaches still manage to waste it. None of this is an endorsement for him as HC, but like I said, you’ve got to hire *someone* and proven commodities are pretty rare.
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AndrewP posted:Thinking about the Eagles… is there any precedent if the Eagles had realized Shane Steichen was the brains of the staff and fired Sirianni to promote him to HC? The Browns fired Hue/Gregggg to promote and retain Freddie Kitchens
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