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PC LOAD LETTER posted:So at least some mobo OEM's are releasing updated BIOS'es that also have that UEFI fix that addresses all those new super hosed attacks that got brought up a while back. So when are are going to ban use of C and C++ globally? Insane amounts of absurdly hazardous security vulnerabilities are written with them every day, because the languages and their base concepts are thoroughly rotten to the core.
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Ihmemies posted:and their base concepts are thoroughly rotten to the core. I’ve got some bad news about what all code ends up being in the end
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Dec 30, 2023 22:14
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it's going to take approximately forever to get rid of C and C++ but at least something is happening, rust has gained enough traction that microsoft is now rewriting security sensitive bits of windows using it, and it's Torvalds Approved for use in linux
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Cygni posted:While I agree that power users will figure out the difference between the CPUs and the days of simple naming schemes arent coming back, the fact that the naming scheme is intentionally misleading and designed to bilk money out of the vast majority of laptop buyers who don't know the difference should still be called out. If we, the turbo dorks, don't call the Big 3 out on their scammy naming schemes, who will?? I worked with a guy who fancied himself a PC enthusiast that believed his Alienware laptop with one of the Nehalem architecture CPUs was still top of the line because it was "an i7." Whether that speaks to him being full of himself, the naming scheme being confusing, or a combination of both I'll leave to y'all to decide.
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Dec 30, 2023 22:17
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" when buying a laptop, a smaller minority will get to "its a 2000 series i5", a teeny-tiny amount of people will get to "its a Sandy Bridge i5", and a laughably small amount of people will get to "here, lets look at the marketing decoder chart to see what CPU this really is before buying", and the Big 3 count on that when they do their naming. It sucks, call em out!
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Bjork Bjowlob posted:EU goons - any idea what might be behind the recent price hikes on the 7950X3D? I was initially thinking Christmas demand but it hasn't cooled off. I'm hoping that it goes back sub 600EUR in early Jan but perhaps there's other factors forcing it upwards for a while. Houthis probably. A lot of stuff recently got rerouted from Suez canal to all the way around Africa. It's made a bunch of stuff more expensive
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Dec 30, 2023 22:33
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Ihmemies posted:So when are are going to ban use of C and C++ globally? Insane amounts of absurdly hazardous security vulnerabilities are written with them every day, because the languages and their base concepts are thoroughly rotten to the core. The idea that you can't write insecure code in Rust or whatever other FOTM language is laffo.
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Dec 30, 2023 23:11
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that's right, better to wait for a hypothetical perfectly secure language rather than take any half measures
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Dec 30, 2023 23:47
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Houthis probably. A lot of stuff recently got rerouted from Suez canal to all the way around Africa. It's made a bunch of stuff more expensive Ah, the sex arses conundrum
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Dec 31, 2023 10:14
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Ihmemies posted:So when are are going to ban use of C and C++ globally? Insane amounts of absurdly hazardous security vulnerabilities are written with them every day, because the languages and their base concepts are thoroughly rotten to the core. https://twitter.com/memecrashes/status/1741206245313216982?t=sxMlC6oQe_rVM9YESS4Iqw&s=19
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Klyith posted:The idea that you can't write insecure code in Rust or whatever other FOTM language is laffo. You can definitely write insecure code in any language (I’ve done it!) but it turns out that most security bugs that people actually write, by a large margin, are memory safety issues, and they are a lot harder to write in memory-safe languages like Rust. Rust now has an automotive-and-so-forth safety-certified toolchain as well, which will help it see more use in critical applications. I think it has progressed well past “FOTM” when stuff from Cloudflare’s main HTTP proxy to production parts of Windows are written in it, but I suppose that’s a debate for another thread.
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Dec 31, 2023 16:11
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I wouldn’t care so much if the issues didn’t cause so much wasted effort. Old memory settings did not work with new logofail patched bios, and I had to spend a few hours readjusting and testing again. All this because some guy didn’t bother to validate the input, and just blindly assumed the images will be of some nicely behaved dimensions. Directly accessing memory will end up with tons of more or less critical security issues every time it seems. So many of them just haven’t been found yet.
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Cygni posted:While I agree that power users will figure out the difference between the CPUs and the days of simple naming schemes arent coming back, the fact that the naming scheme is intentionally misleading and designed to bilk money out of the vast majority of laptop buyers who don't know the difference should still be called out. If we, the turbo dorks, don't call the Big 3 out on their scammy naming schemes, who will?? Yeah, I agree, we should call this out as being suboptimal. The only reason manufacturers ever do this kind of SKU renumbering is because they want consumers to think older tech isn't older tech, and to thereby be OK with buying it. It's not a new practice though, and unfortunately it's fairly common. I don't think that selling an 8840U which is a 100MHz faster 7840U is fundamentally any different than selling a 14900K which is just an overclocked/binned 13900K, and I think it's a hair less dishonest even than letting reviews go out for a GT1030 with GDDR5 and then quietly launching a DDR4 version. I also feel like the harm caused by this kind of rebranding is pretty unclear. How many people actually see a 7520U next to a 7840U and think "the number at the front is the same, a 7520U is probably good enough" and how many of those people in turn actually have a use case for which the difference will be important? Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Jan 2, 2024 |
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Eletriarnation posted:I don't think that selling an 8840U which is a 100MHz faster 7840U quote:I also feel like the harm caused by this kind of rebranding is pretty unclear. How many people actually see a 7520U next to a 7840U and think "the number at the front is the same, a 7520U is probably good enough" and how many of those people in turn actually have a use case for which the difference will be important? Only The Brands will have the marketing research data on it obvi, but if you've ever participated in a shoppers focus group, youll know that the average person's purchasing decisions are based on basically zero information or research. That a consumer will see 8XXX and think its more than 7XXX is an absolute give-in, which is exactly why the Big 3 love them some rebrands. I would think this is especially true in the normie-dense mobile market. For boxed CPUs, there is a much higher assumed knowledge factor. There is a not insignificant information hill to climb to build a DIY computer... and wouldn't ya know it, AMD and Intel have been more reticent to play the rebrand game in that market, even going the length to run completely separate branding practices for the exact same silicon in the two different markets.
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I think if you are literally buying based on nothing more than "the number at the front is higher" when actual specs and benchmarks are out there, you are doing the same thing as walking into a car dealership and asking the first person you see "Hey, what's hot right now?" and buying that. You are admitting with your actions that you don't really care about the fine details of the actual object you're buying, you just want to get sold something functional with a good story of "something new" and hey you're gonna get that so what's the harm? If it's actually important to you that something have specific performance characteristics, then I absolutely think that the manufacturer must not lie about those characteristics or try to obfuscate them - but I don't think "well, if you check the decoder wheel then all this means is it's a 2024 model year instead of 2023" rises to that level. Someone who wants to play a particular game or run a professional workload can handle that, I think. It would be easier to track what's actually going on if vendors didn't try to play games like this, but as long as the practice helps their OEM partners move machines to people who don't care to know more I do not know why it would change. Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Jan 3, 2024 |
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is AMD really going to be shipping product where only the left-most digit is moved up from a 7 to an 8, but all the rest of the digits (meaning the actual technical specifications) are the same?
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Why not, the other numbers don't mean "is exactly the same".
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Eletriarnation posted:I think if you are literally buying based on nothing more than "the number at the front is higher" when actual specs and benchmarks are out there, you are doing the same thing as walking into a car dealership and asking the first person you see "Hey, what's hot right now?" and buying that. You are admitting with your actions that you don't really care about the fine details of the actual object you're buying, you just want to get sold something functional with a good story of "something new" and hey you're gonna get that so what's the harm? There are cars that literally no changes between some model years too. It’s clear what they’re trying to do, but if you’re going to just do model years then do model years?
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gradenko_2000 posted:is AMD really going to be shipping product where only the left-most digit is moved up from a 7 to an 8, but all the rest of the digits (meaning the actual technical specifications) are the same? Its just traditional, every vendor does it. Remember the Nvidia 8800 GT / 9800 GT?
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hobbesmaster posted:There are cars that literally no changes between some model years too. It’s clear what they’re trying to do, but if you’re going to just do model years then do model years? I kind of agree but suspect that if they actually started off trying to faithfully follow model years then you'd have an effect where uninformed consumers would not want to buy a model from the previous year, even if nothing newer had actually replaced it yet. This would lead vendors to fudge the model years as well, just like car manufacturers do: quote:The new model year typically begins in August to September of the preceding calendar year, though can be as early as February, such being the case for the fourth generation 2022 Acura MDX, which started production in January 2021. This was partly due to the advertising of a new model being coordinated with the launch of the new television season in late September, because of the heavy dependence between television to offer products from automakers to advertise, and the car companies to launch their new models at a high-profile time of year. Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Jan 3, 2024 |
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The number one thing a normie laptop buyer is looking at is price. I struggle to imagine the person who looks at a $800 laptop that says "7750U" and a $300 laptop that says "8320U" and imagines that the cheap one is better. That was what made Intel's failure of a call-out so dumb: their imaginary consumer would do exactly that, but with an intel CPU in the expensive slot. Basically the only place where it makes a real difference is when someone is comparing this year's $350 laptop versus last year's $450 laptop that's on sale for $75 off. That is the amount it matters. Yes, someone might make the wrong choice there and buy a 7320 when a 5500 is better. But it's really not a huge difference in performance. Nobody who would have been ok with a 5500 is gonna be shafted by a 7320. And that's why OEMs asked AMD for this scheme. It works in marginal cases that help their margins.
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You grossly, grossly underestimate how stupid the average person is and the extent to which they will convince themselves that they have found some magnificent deal.
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hobbesmaster posted:There are cars that literally no changes between some model years too. It’s clear what they’re trying to do, but if you’re going to just do model years then do model years? It is very uncommon for cars to be straight carryover by model year with zero changes. Zero functional changes to you, the driver and owner of the car, sure. But changes to parts, changes to parts sources, and changes to manufacturing processes regularly occur that aren't visible to the end customer.
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Americans didn't appreciate A&W's 1/3 pound burger because they thought it was smaller than the McDonald's 1/4 pounder. Bigger number = better.
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borkencode posted:Americans didn't appreciate A&W's 1/3 pound burger because they thought it was smaller than the McDonald's 1/4 pounder. Bigger number = better. They deserve to be failures since they didn't go with 5 ounce burger.
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K8.0 posted:You grossly, grossly underestimate how stupid the average person is and the extent to which they will convince themselves that they have found some magnificent deal. They aren’t stupid generally, they’re just ignorant.
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K8.0 posted:You grossly, grossly underestimate how stupid the average person is and the extent to which they will convince themselves that they have found some magnificent deal. Some people can't be helped and marketing is gonna exist whatever AMD's model numbers scheme is. Chip generation as lead number can *also* be exploited for marketing. The internet is full of decent info and PC reviews written for average people. I really don't give a poo poo about the guy so stupid that he rolls coal in a V8 hemi and then complains about Biden raising gas prices.
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gradenko_2000 posted:is AMD really going to be shipping product where only the left-most digit is moved up from a 7 to an 8, but all the rest of the digits (meaning the actual technical specifications) are the same? i think this partly comes down to OEM pressure laptops are like loving cars now, you need a new year model every.. year, numbers *must* go up except useful numbers like size of disk or ram, cpu perf, resolution, etc. those can stay too low just fine for some reason
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borkencode posted:Americans didn't appreciate A&W's 1/3 pound burger because they thought it was smaller than the McDonald's 1/4 pounder. Bigger number = better. Isn't this why Microsoft call their second generation console the Xbox 360 instead of Xbox 2? They felt consumers would think it was competing against the PlayStation 2 and be a generation behind the PlayStation 3?
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Then they named the third Xbox the Xbox One.
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they called it the xbox one because when you see it you turn 1 degree and walk away
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They called it the Xbox Series because of all the game series not on it? Idk, need to workshop this one a bit more.
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Branch Nvidian posted:Then they named the third Xbox the Xbox One. I’m convinced that someone in Microsoft was pushing hard for Windows One instead of Windows 10
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Truga posted:i think this partly comes down to OEM pressure Apple will sell you an M3 Macbook Pro with 8GB of RAM. For $1800.
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Branch Nvidian posted:They called it the Xbox Series because of all the game series not on it? Idk, need to workshop this one a bit more. Apple did this too. iPhone numbering jumped from 8 to 10, so not to be a number behind Samsung.
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OhFunny posted:Apple did this too. iPhone numbering jumped from 8 to 10, so not to be a number behind Samsung. I thought it was because naive software checks for "iPhone 9x" would think it was running on iPhone '95.
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OhFunny posted:Apple did this too. iPhone numbering jumped from 8 to 10, so not to be a number behind Samsung. Not that the general public seemed to notice, since I've never met anyone in the wild that didn't call it the iPhone "Ecks," or the subsequent models the Ecks-R or Ecks-S.
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Threadrippers 7XXX have appeared at retailers (Canada). Motherboards ... a little bit less so. There are a few (saw ASRock and ASUS), but usually out of stock. Thank you for keeping money in my wallet.
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My store got the motherboards for Threadripper 7000 in stock like, last week or so? Only the TRX50 chipset tho, no WRX90 so far. We've had the Threadrippers 7000 in stock since the release date, along with G.Skill 6400mhz ECC Quad ram (same SKU that AMD sent out to reviewers I believe)
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The leaked weirdo Zen3 parts are real. Speed summaries: 5700X3D - Same core count, cache, TDP, everything as 5800X3D... but with a 4.1 turbo instead of 4.5. Considering you can't adjust that in the bios for the Zen3 X3D parts, that may actually matter in some games. MSRP is $249 vs the 5800X3Ds $340 current price, so a strong value choice for those that already have an AM4 board and want to keep truckin. 5600GT - They heard someone out there likes Cezanne so they got you more Cezanne? Same core count, cache, memory support, iGPU etc as the 5600G, but this time we have lower base clocks and very slightly higher boost clocks. We also dont know if the iGPU has different clocks this time, but its the same TDP so prolly not. It is the same MSRP as the 5600G ($140), so uh... ok. 5500GT - It is a 5600G with a 300mhz lower base clock... but the same boost clocks? ?? $125. Both these parts are clearly targeted at Asia where floods of dirt cheap AM4 boards and DDR4 are available. In the US, they likely don't make much price sense unless you are assembling old parts for a kids computer. If you are building from new in the states, the new Zen4 APUs are a better choice. e: also remember that Vega graphics support is ending from AMD, and these new APUs are Vega based... yes. i know. As for the "why do these exist" question, it exists because AMD is producing it in a factory and selling them, let me know if u have further questions Cygni fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Jan 8, 2024 |
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Was this from the “AI PC event” or whatever The only really new news with all this is some manufactures are adding a “copilot” key to keyboards lol
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