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thrawn527 posted:Yes, Iron Fist is canon, but no one cares. Does mean that Jessica Henwick's in the MCU.
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Everything is only as canon as that particular writer wants it to be. (Unless he gets notes from above of course.) It's not some magical barrier which makes it unconditionally linked.
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Jan 5, 2024 20:10
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cant cook creole bream posted:Everything is only as canon as that particular writer wants it to be. (Unless he gets notes from above of course.) It's not some magical barrier which makes it unconditionally linked. Exactly. Daredevil wasn't canon until he was in the Spider-Man NWH. X-Men weren't canon until Dr. Strange 2 and The Marvels, and even then in a different universe. It's all just whatever.
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Jan 5, 2024 20:16
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AndyElusive posted:So this means, by extension, The Defenders, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones and...Iron Fist (?!), are all MCU canon. Just put Danny in a movie with Luke and Colleen and Shang-Chi so they can all roll their eyes at him and his doofiness constantly. Have him introduced to the MCU proper with "Pretty Fly For A White Guy" in the background. There's a lot of fun, smart things they can do with the character to subvert people's, uh, kinda racist views about who's allowed to be a kung-fu person. Simu Liu rolling his eyes at Finn Jones is a very important part of this hypothetical for me.
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Jan 5, 2024 20:23
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thrawn527 posted:X-Men weren't canon until Dr. Strange 2 and The Marvels, and even then in a different universe. It's all just whatever. That makes them not canon. The Professor X from the FOXverse isn't the one that Wanda killed.
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Jan 5, 2024 20:23
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Based on the Deadpool leaks/casting announcements and Wandavision, the Fox X-Men are explicitly not canon. To be fair, the world basically ends and descends into a hellish dystopia in the final X-Men movies, so it would be very difficult to fit that canonically into the MCU unless it is revealed that every location in the MCU just happens to be one of the oases of normalcy during the apocalypse and everybody just refuses to talk about it. Most of the major X-Men are also all dead.
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Jan 5, 2024 20:31
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Based on the Deadpool leaks/casting announcements and Wandavision, the Fox X-Men are explicitly not canon. The FOXverse doesn't even make canonical sense on its own.
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Jan 5, 2024 20:32
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How many dark phoenixes have they done by this point?
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Jan 5, 2024 20:37
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A.o.D. posted:How many dark phoenixes have they done by this point? Technically, only one because time travel made the Phoenix saga happen in the 1990's instead of the mid-2000's and therefore the original Phoenix Saga never happens, so Jean Gray never becomes the Phoenix in her 30's because she became the Phoenix in her early 20's and Mystique actually died 20 years earlier and humanity became aware of Mutants 30 years earlier, which changes the timeline, and Jean Gray died in the 1990's before the original Phoenix Saga could ever happen. Also, there were aliens.
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Jan 5, 2024 20:42
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live with fruit posted:That makes them not canon. The Professor X from the FOXverse isn't the one that Wanda killed. Okay, so The Marvels (maybe Logan still happens after the events of that movie in that universe). That's the point. They're canon or not canon depending on the whims of the writers. It's a nonsense concept. Needless to say, I took the Star Wars canon reboot better than some other Star Wars fans.
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Jan 5, 2024 20:50
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:Just put Danny in a movie with Luke and Colleen and Shang-Chi so they can all roll their eyes at him and his doofiness constantly. I would watch the poo poo out of this.
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thrawn527 posted:Okay, so The Marvels (maybe Logan still happens after the events of that movie in that universe). That's the point. They're canon or not canon depending on the whims of the writers. It's a nonsense concept. In the sense that the Multiverse makes anything canon. Theoretically, there's a universe where Wolverine looks like Glenn Danzig.
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Jan 5, 2024 21:00
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live with fruit posted:In the sense that the Multiverse makes anything canon. Theoretically, there's a universe where Wolverine looks like Glenn Danzig. Sure. But multiverse aside, Daredevil could have been canon or not and it wouldn't have made a difference to the MCU before NWH. He was only "canon" because a writer (or more likely, an executive) decided to include him for a fun cameo. It's like how the Infinity Gauntlet was in Asgard "in canon", until they decided they wanted to use it. So they changed the canon to say that was a fake...somehow. Canon is silly, and only to be used when it suits the purpose of the story. A tool to be used, but not to get in the way.
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Jan 5, 2024 21:11
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I get the feeling they'll end up walking back Daredevil being canon considering that it limits how they can use Elektra and Bullseye.
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Jan 5, 2024 21:21
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The best thing they could do is have Elektra being dead as canon.
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Jan 5, 2024 21:35
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Old Doggy Bastard posted:The best thing they could do is have Elektra being dead as canon. If they're bringing back Jennifer Garner in Deadpool 3, they're probably not going to just throw the MCU version of the character away.
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Jan 5, 2024 21:36
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Canon is fake. Always has been.
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Jan 5, 2024 21:48
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live with fruit posted:I get the feeling they'll end up walking back Daredevil being canon considering that it limits how they can use Elektra and Bullseye. yep, I don't believe for a second that they're going to make Netflix Daredevil canon again. Let's not forget, the show was sold as canon when it first aired. Fisk's whole scheme was related to real estate pricing in Manhattan being down due to the Chitauri attack in Avengers 1. Agents of Shield was 'canon' when it started as well. It had a fantastic tie-in to Winter Soldier! And even Disney Plus TV shows are starting to be outright ignored in movies.
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Jan 5, 2024 21:52
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live with fruit posted:Does mean that Jessica Henwick's in the MCU. Short answer: Yes. Long answer: Hell, yes.
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Jan 5, 2024 22:56
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Inkspot posted:Short answer: Yes. Counter argument: there could be a better way to work her into the MCU than whatever she did in Iron Fist (I never watched it).
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Jan 5, 2024 23:14
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I dunno. Danny returning to NYC with begrudging BFF Ward Meachum after learning "The True History of the Iron Fist" and still playing second or third fiddle to Colleen Wing seems pretty good to me.
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Jan 5, 2024 23:23
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Danny Rand does not need to come back.
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Jan 5, 2024 23:25
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AngryBooch posted:yep, I don't believe for a second that they're going to make Netflix Daredevil canon again. The executive in charge of tv at Marvel Studios says until he hears otherwise he considers the Netflix show part of "The Sacred Timeline" so give that as much weight as you want.
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Jan 5, 2024 23:27
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If the Netflixverse ties in, this means that Daredevil in the MCU has ties to all of them, plus Spider-Man, She-Hulk and Echo, who has ties to Kate. They could do a Street Level Avengers.
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Jan 5, 2024 23:38
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Finally saw Season 2 of What if? and uhh I really hope they stop doing these 'all of reality is at stake' story arcs because they're getting tiresome. It was a nice little ending to season 1 but I was hoping season 2 would have more wacky and weird hypotheticals (and more Spiderman dying, though I guess his rights are kind of in limbo?)
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Jan 6, 2024 01:32
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swickles posted:Now do Agents of SHIELD and bring back Coulson. Also, Fitzsimmons, Daisy, and even Deke. Even Deke?! DEKE IS NOBODY'S EVEN! Deke rules! How dare you! 
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LividLiquid posted:Even Deke?! Ok fine, especially Deke. I hope in his new universe/timeline he is the white Nick Fury, bringing the MCU and comics full circle.
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All joking aside, I really did love that character. From his Store Brand Starlord first appearance to his Scam Artist Made Good final appearance. I never didn't loves me some Deke. That actor is just so charming when he's being irritating. It's bananas.
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Look, Marvel can do whatever it wants to do so long as we get Karen Page and The Punisher together.
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LividLiquid posted:All joking aside, I really did love that character. From his Store Brand Starlord first appearance to his Scam Artist Made Good final appearance. I never didn't loves me some Deke. He was loving INSPIRED casting for Buggy in Netflix One Piece.
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Nikumatic posted:He was loving INSPIRED casting for Buggy in Netflix One Piece. Oh poo poo I might have to check that out then
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swickles posted:Oh poo poo I might have to check that out then It's really surprisingly good
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swickles posted:Now do Agents of SHIELD and bring back Coulson. Also, Fitzsimmons, Daisy, and even Deke.
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maybeadracula posted:It's really surprisingly good After Cowboy Beebop, I was never intending to watch another Netflix animated-to-live action show ever again. But I enjoyed the hell out of One Piece. First episode was a bit rough, but after that it was just a barrel of fun.
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It's all canon. Always has been. The extra fun part is awarding yourself a no-prize for figuring out why and how everything fits together. You can award it to yourself, it's just for fun like comics used to be before there was a canonical dissertation process welded on.
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Just finished Loki s2. Sticks the landing. shame about the kang actor
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Got around to finishing What If S2 ep7. pretty decent. I like that Hela and Wenwu got together, need more of him. I feel Odin jobbed hard at the end lol. Also, leave Thanos alone, geez starting What if S2 ep8 wow, wanda, I feel like you could have chosen a much better hero than Captain Carter in your world/universe ending situation...
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No Luck Needed posted:Dr Doom had diplomatic immunity sometimes There was something where Cap and Spidy were out, and Dr Doom shoots a missile out of the Latvarian embassy at them and Cap attacks him and Parker goes "Doesn't he have diplomatic immunity?" and Cap responses "He just fired a missile into the middle of Manhatten, I don't think that matters". Alhazred posted:It's also a good example of why no one likes Maria Hill. Also isn't S.H.I.E.L.D. kinda above the law, at least in the comics? I don't think it's ever been made clear under what mandate they operate. The only good Maria Hill is MCU Maria Hill. And they killed her for no reason in a show no one liked so if they undo it, no one will care.
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Thanks to Secret Invasion, Cobie Smulders will never get to monologue about HATING Hank McCoy and that stinks.
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