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Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!
Holy crap it's annoying that the Elusive Contempt fight is bugged
It was a really hard win and I got absolutely nothing

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Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



So earlier on the prison planet I was nice to someone and he told me to seek out a merchant in footfall’s shadow quarter but I can’t find him/a reference to it online, am I just crazy?

Kobal2
Apr 29, 2019

Frog Act posted:

So earlier on the prison planet I was nice to someone and he told me to seek out a merchant in footfall’s shadow quarter but I can’t find him/a reference to it online, am I just crazy?

They're in the backrooms of the bar, and the Footfall representative of the pirate faction you might have met in Chapter 1

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



Kobal2 posted:

They're in the backrooms of the bar, and the Footfall representative of the pirate faction you might have met in Chapter 1

Oh cool I just walked in there and hadn’t finished walking around, thought it was separate from the shadow district.

I’m absolutely loving this game, best CRPG I’ve played in years, and while it is thematically appropriate as the idea of a Trader having extensive conversations with random serfs is preposterous I do wish there were a few more people to talk to in these areas. Kinda funny to consider that broadly, most of the things you’d encounter like friendly innkeepers just aren’t part of this setting as the supermajority of people can barely sustain themselves

Szarrukin
Sep 29, 2021
Together with Dawn of War this game might be the best 40k gateway drug so far. Neither requires previous knowledge of the setting and both have pretty good and diverse representation of main factions (unlike games focused on one or two factions, like Mechanicus or Space Marine). I'm currently finishing chapter 2 and so far there has been Chaos (all four flavours), Eldars, Deldars, Navigators, Space Marines, Chaos Space Marines, Inquisition, Sisters of Battle, Mechanicus, Ecclesiarchy, even genestealer cameo - I think of major factions only Imperial Guard, Tau, Necrons and Orks are missing. Dawn of War excels in bolterporn aspect of setting, Rogue Trader in dystopian nightmare aspect, but both are good.

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

It also helps that Owlcat absolutely nails the satire that, for a hot minute, a lot of writers had forgotten in pursuit of playing the fashy vibe way too straight.

The only other 40k product that actually resonated with me in any way like this were the Ciaphas Cain novels.

KPC_Mammon
Jan 23, 2004

Ready for the fashy circle jerk

Frog Act posted:

So earlier on the prison planet I was nice to someone and he told me to seek out a merchant in footfall’s shadow quarter but I can’t find him/a reference to it online, am I just crazy?

It might be fixed, but last time I played that discount was bugged and greatly increased the cost of all goods from that vendor. I'd save and double check.

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



KPC_Mammon posted:

It might be fixed, but last time I played that discount was bugged and greatly increased the cost of all goods from that vendor. I'd save and double check.

Lmao gently caress too late, I did wonder why I couldn’t afford anything he had despite having sold every single rep thing I could and seizing every profit factor. They don’t seem to have been increased outlandishly though they’re all still in the 20s as a prerequisite so maybe it’s been fixed and I’m just not supposed to be able to buy much when getting to Footfall for the first time

Worst case scenario I assume I can Toybox up my profit factor. I’m probably missing something but if I’m not I really, really like this trading system. It’s self-evidently absurd that an Imperial noble and Rogue Trader would go around buying individual items from heretics, peasants etc so the way they dispensed with a more generic currency and turned it into a sort abstraction of one’s avarice and commercial reputation is a great way of making those moments feel lore appropriate. Unless I’m spending something I’m not noticing

Also is there a way to rotate master tactician zones? I’ve had a bunch of moments where I want them to be horizontal but they default to vertical and vice versa, being able to manually rotate them would be tremendous

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Move your Grand Strategist. They're always perpendicular to a line drawn from the Grand Strategist.

emSparkly
Nov 21, 2022

I'm open to interpretation!
If Yrliet’s quest truly is untoyboxable in chapter 4 I might take a break and play WotR til it’s taken care of.

Eifert Posting
Apr 1, 2007

Most of the time he catches it every time.
Grimey Drawer

Further Reading posted:

I feel an Iconoclast being someone who is gung ho about their rights while a dogmatic choosing not to be a heretic even when they're allowed to makes perfect sense personally. Otherwise there's very little to distinguish them.



To me a dogmatic person should take the paper literally signed by the god emperor of mankind very seriously.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!

Frog Act posted:

Oh cool I just walked in there and hadn’t finished walking around, thought it was separate from the shadow district.

I’m absolutely loving this game, best CRPG I’ve played in years, and while it is thematically appropriate as the idea of a Trader having extensive conversations with random serfs is preposterous I do wish there were a few more people to talk to in these areas. Kinda funny to consider that broadly, most of the things you’d encounter like friendly innkeepers just aren’t part of this setting as the supermajority of people can barely sustain themselves

It's just too buggy for me to ever call it the best, too much poo poo is broken

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



Arglebargle III posted:

Move your Grand Strategist. They're always perpendicular to a line drawn from the Grand Strategist.

Ah, thanks

Regarding bugs I haven’t encountered any major ones yet but I can certainly see my opinion changing if I do. I play CRPGs slowly so I’m kind of hoping I’ll be one patch behind the bugs

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!
Act 4 spoilers
Spend all that time liberating footfall and getting Incendia to kill herself and I get FIVE HUNDRED reputation out of it? It's loving 13k to the next level what the heck!

Caidin
Oct 29, 2011

Taear posted:

Act 4 spoilers
Spend all that time liberating footfall and getting Incendia to kill herself and I get FIVE HUNDRED reputation out of it? It's loving 13k to the next level what the heck!

Rep rank ups are stupid as hell and I'm not quite sure you could max a faction out even by funneling all your spare poo poo into them.

Eifert Posting
Apr 1, 2007

Most of the time he catches it every time.
Grimey Drawer
Yeah the way they balanced the game seems weirdly hostile to the player. TBH it was kind of trivially easy in the beta to max out reputation with all of the vendors I think they just compensated way too hard the other way

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



Can Toybox be used to adjust profit factor? I’m sure it can and I’m just being stoned and missing the appropriate button or field

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!

Eifert Posting posted:

Yeah the way they balanced the game seems weirdly hostile to the player. TBH it was kind of trivially easy in the beta to max out reputation with all of the vendors I think they just compensated way too hard the other way

Ye my guess here is that they rejigged the numbers for the factions but DIDN'T check this quest to make sure it was actually worthwhile after they did the rejig

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Frog Act posted:

Can Toybox be used to adjust profit factor? I’m sure it can and I’m just being stoned and missing the appropriate button or field

It can. It's on the "Bag of Tricks" tab under RT Specific.

You can also adjust faction rep and resource quantities. The latter of which helped my last game when the game suddenly decided I had half as many people as I did the turn before, and decided that meant I was at a massive deficit and cut my PF in half.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

Warmachine posted:

It can. It's on the "Bag of Tricks" tab under RT Specific.

You can also adjust faction rep and resource quantities. The latter of which helped my last game when the game suddenly decided I had half as many people as I did the turn before, and decided that meant I was at a massive deficit and cut my PF in half.

I’m pretty sure that happens if you let the priest fly away with the Crucible. I’m not 100% sure if this is a bug or not because while the prompt says it increases PF the advisor dialogue does note that without the Crucible the planet will become barren again and that would be a huge loss.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



The Lone Badger posted:

I’m pretty sure that happens if you let the priest fly away with the Crucible. I’m not 100% sure if this is a bug or not because while the prompt says it increases PF the advisor dialogue does note that without the Crucible the planet will become barren again and that would be a huge loss.

That would make sense. I'd gotten used to reading the tooltips to understand the consequences of my actions. Leave it to Owlcat to punish me for that.

Lakbay
Dec 14, 2006

My eye...MY EYE!!!
I totally would've missed Ulfar if the thread/internet didn't spoil me since the place where he is kinda blends in with the background.

Also when am I'm going to get to that boss fight that everyone hates in act 3? I just escaped the arena into yet another trash fight. I know it's an arena story segment in an RPG but it feels like the Rykad Minoris spacesport in that there are way too many trash fights

Draxion
Jun 9, 2013




I currently have something listed as like "Resource Deficit: People" giving me 230 PF

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Eifert Posting posted:

Yeah the way they balanced the game seems weirdly hostile to the player. TBH it was kind of trivially easy in the beta to max out reputation with all of the vendors I think they just compensated way too hard the other way

They tend to patch change balance in extremes to player detriment or near-insignificant quantities to player benefit. It's probably a function of looking at the game and think how min-maxers will exploit the changes rather then the average person.

Their DLC roadmap being, allegedly, focused mainly on core game additions means a lot of patches and balances added to the existing framework and not having to make entirely new mechanics from scratch every few months.

I don't understand why they didn't do something similar to conviction, where getting to a certain rank in one vendor locks the other to a lower limit, like Drusians just won't trust you that much if you are trading massively with pirates.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Draxion posted:

I currently have something listed as like "Resource Deficit: People" giving me 230 PF

This is what Lone Badger and I were talking about above.

emSparkly
Nov 21, 2022

I'm open to interpretation!
Chapter 3 is done and that was both nerve wracking but also a really cool twist. Seeing Yrliet get some closure on her whole deal is satisfying.

Dox023
Feb 23, 2009

emSparkly posted:

Chapter 3 is done and that was both nerve wracking but also a really cool twist. Seeing Yrliet get some closure on her whole deal is satisfying.

I have seen so many complaints about Chapter 3 but I really enjoyed the change of pace.

Janissary Hop
Sep 2, 2012

I thought it was fine but I was able to recruit Abelard and Argenta immediately and even without full support Argenta could still solo the fights with the heavy stubber you can find. Apparently it’s possible to have a companion configuration depending on who was with you beforehand in which you don’t have any friends to immediately recruit, which I can imagine being pretty lovely.

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

did not enjoy act 3 at all. "get imprisoned and lose all your gear" is basically never fun and games should stop doing it.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

Worst part was remembering wtf everyone was wearing, and the weird headache things repeatedly triggering

thebardyspoon
Jun 30, 2005

Dandywalken posted:

Worst part was remembering wtf everyone was wearing, and the weird headache things repeatedly triggering

Ah crap, glad someone said this cause that means I now know to like, screenshot or write down what everyone has equipped as I close in on the end of act 2. I'm playing this game very slowly I think, I tend to play it in bursts, not play it for a whole week and then a big 6 hour session in one day.

LuiCypher
Apr 24, 2010

Today I'm... amped up!

Eifert Posting posted:

To me a dogmatic person should take the paper literally signed by the god emperor of mankind very seriously.

That is indeed what they do, except when it's inconvenient to their real end goal of 'murder all non-humies'.

Valleyant
Jul 23, 2007

That darn catte

Zodium posted:

did not enjoy act 3 at all. "get imprisoned and lose all your gear" is basically never fun and games should stop doing it.

it'd be fine if they like, saved your equipment settings or something instead of making me redo 6 peoples equipment

Gainsboro
Feb 28, 2023

Twenty Year Lurker
One thing that made Act 3 pretty easy my first time through was your mercs can be picked up almost immediately, and if they weren't at the Paralyzing Gas Party they keep all their equipment.

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

LuiCypher posted:

That is indeed what they do, except when it's inconvenient to their real end goal of 'murder all non-humies'.

I object to this characterization. There is nothing unlawful about killing xenos.

LuiCypher
Apr 24, 2010

Today I'm... amped up!

Complications posted:

I object to this characterization. There is nothing unlawful about killing xenos.

Sorry, I meant to say "murder everyone that doesn't unconditionally agree with me".

KPC_Mammon
Jan 23, 2004

Ready for the fashy circle jerk
It sure is weird how people enjoy rping a fascist in 40k game threads when there are actual self identified nazis complaining about the iconoclast ending being unrealistic online.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


Why is that weird?

CottonWolf
Jul 20, 2012

Good ideas generator

One of the Act 4 quests is completely nonsensical for me (the conclusion of the jungle quest). I think it’s assuming I know a lot of stuff I don’t because I’ve killed every xenos I’ve met at the earliest opportunity, including Yrilet.

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Complications
Jun 19, 2014

KPC_Mammon posted:

It sure is weird how people enjoy rping a fascist in 40k game threads when there are actual self identified nazis complaining about the iconoclast ending being unrealistic online.

Having not seen that ending I can only assume that you lighten up on the fascist oppression by about 1.5 degrees and it's still something that will only last right up until an Imperial crusade or Ork Waaugh or Tyranid fleet rolls in and obliterates all involved because Warhammer is where good things go to get murder-rape-hosed by the writers.

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