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Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

What is the point of having a Deputy Secretary if the mandarins in the Secretary's office will just run things?

What if they made the Chief of Staff of the secretary some sort of assistant to him, so if in the event he was ill they could take over? They would already be closely working under the Secretary and so could be "deputized" to perform their role as their boss would have directed, even in the Secretary's absence...

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# ? May 25, 2024 22:29

yellowcar: Feb 14, 2010

gonna start some western anti-dprk style rumours that the sec of def fell out of biden's favour and he was executed by getting mauled by Major

# ? Jan 8, 2024 04:09

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

thinking what the reaction of the media would have been like if this had happened to Mad Dog Mattis

# ? Jan 8, 2024 04:10

Cao Ni Ma: May 25, 2010

OK, so the deputy was vacationing in Puerto Rico when she got the call that she had to take over and took over on the 2nd, so its not as bad as I initially thought, but she still didnt know the reason was because Lloyd was loving dying in walter reed till the 4th.

What a loving mess

# ? Jan 8, 2024 04:19

yellowcar: Feb 14, 2010

comedy option: botched circumcision - cut too much dick off

# ? Jan 8, 2024 04:19

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

yellowcar posted:

gonna start some western anti-dprk style rumours that the sec of def fell out of biden's favour and he was executed by getting mauled by Major

starting a rumor that Austin was being treated in Fort Detrick

# ? Jan 8, 2024 04:22

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Engineers thinking about joining the MIC like "Is manufacturing coming back to the US or is the grift about to blow apart?" :thunk:

# ? Jan 8, 2024 04:23

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

welp better let the private sector take over
Questions about NASA's Mars Sample Return mission put JPL jobs in jeopardy - Los Angeles Times

www.latimes.com - Sun, 07 Jan 2024 posted:

The Jet Propulsion Laboratory laid off 100 contractors last week and will scale back part of the first-ever effort to bring pieces of Mars to Earth, after a cost-cutting order from NASA that lawmakers called �short-sighted and misguided.�

In an email to staff on Thursday, JPL director Laurie Leshin said that NASA is bracing for a federal budget that could cap spending on the Mars Sample Return mission at $300 million this fiscal year � just 36% of the previous year�s $822-million budget and less than one-third of the $949 million the Biden administration requested for the program.

�Adjusting to such a large budget cut in one year will be painful,� Leshin wrote to employees at the federally funded La Ca�ada Flintridge research institution. �It is also becoming more likely that there will be JPL workforce impacts in the form of layoffs, and the way such JPL workforce actions are implemented means that the impact would not be limited to MSR.�

Last week�s layoffs of contract employees along with a hiring freeze are part of a lab-wide effort to reduce spending, Leshin wrote. In addition, NASA has ordered JPL to cease operations at the end of this month on a key project within the mission to bring a piece of Mars back to Earth, a joint project with the European Space Agency and one of the biggest and most complex missions undertaken at the lab.

Work on Mars Sample Return�s Capture, Containment and Return System will be paused while an independent review team analyzes the overall design of the much-anticipated mission to collect dust and rocks from Mars and bring them to Earth for study, Leshin wrote.

�These are painful but necessary adjustments as we work through the current budget environment while striving to maintain our unique skills and world-class workforce for NASA and our nation,� JPL said in a statement.

The cuts come while Congress is still debating how it�s going to parcel out the 2024 fiscal year budget.

Lawmakers have criticized the agency�s decision to scale back on staff and science on the Mars effort before final numbers are in.

�NASA�s unilateral and unprecedented decision to cut funding for the Mars Sample Return mission, before Congress has finished its appropriations process, is having devastating real world consequences,� Rep. Adam Schiff said on Friday. �This critical mission was identified as NASA�s highest scientific priority by the decadal survey, and to back away now will relinquish important American leadership in space science.�

The sample retrieval lander was originally scheduled to take off in 2028, with a planned return to Earth in 2033 after the first-ever rocket launch from another planet.

An independent review of the project that NASA commissioned last year found that the mission was �not arranged to be led effectively,� and that there was a �near zero probability� that it would make its 2028 launch date. Even meeting a postponed launch date of 2030 would require more than $1 billion a year for at least three years starting in 2025.

The mission�s final price tag could be nearly $10 billion, the review concluded � more than double the $4.4 billion estimated in 2020.

California lawmakers have lobbied to preserve JPL�s funding, citing the need to protect jobs and keep the U.S. space program competitive. China has announced a sample return mission of its own to launch in 2028 or 2030 � a prospect, the review stated, that would �challenge the USA�s technical, engineering, and scientific leadership in Mars exploration.�

In a November letter to NASA Administrator Bill Nelson, a bipartisan group of six California lawmakers in the U.S. House and Senate said they were �mystified� by NASA�s preemptive belt-tightening before a final budget was announced.

Implementing the cuts ordered by NASA means JPL �will not be able to meet the 2030 launch window, billions of dollars in contracts supporting American businesses will be subject to cancellation, and hundreds of highly skilled jobs in California will be lost,� they wrote. �If this uniquely talented workforce is lost to the private sector, it will be near impossible to reassemble.�

In the most recent planetary science decadal survey, a report prepared for NASA every 10 years by the National Academy of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine, planetary scientists named the Mars Sample Return mission as the �highest scientific priority of NASA�s robotic exploration efforts this decade� and argued that the program should be completed �as soon as is practicably possible with no increase or decrease in its current scope.�

But the authors cautioned that the ambitious mission shouldn�t come at the cost of other planetary science.

�Mars Sample Return is of fundamental strategic importance to NASA, U.S. leadership in planetary science, and international cooperation and should be completed as rapidly as possible,� the report stated. �However, its cost should not be allowed to undermine the long-term programmatic balance of the planetary portfolio.�

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PawParole: Nov 16, 2019

https://twitter.com/HarmlessYardDog/status/1744054524111725054

America can�t make nuclear missiles anymore because they fired all the technicians to save money

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mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/HarmlessYardDog/status/1744054524111725054

America can�t make nuclear missiles anymore because they fired all the technicians to save money

Boeing ftw

# ? Jan 8, 2024 08:43

fanfic insert: Nov 4, 2009

yellowcar posted:

gonna start some western anti-dprk style rumours that the sec of def fell out of biden's favour and he was executed by getting mauled by Major

War Brewing in the Regency Council

# ? Jan 8, 2024 09:14

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

remembering in mid-2022 how libs kept saying that it was fine to escalate in Ukraine because even if Putin launched the nukes, they wouldn't all work

projection!

# ? Jan 8, 2024 09:22

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/HarmlessYardDog/status/1744054524111725054

America can�t make nuclear missiles anymore because they fired all the technicians to save money

That's one way to disarm. Just have everything fall apart.

Future archeologists are going to discover what were once old silos with rusted remnants of missiles, completely solid with long decayed concrete because nobody knew how or wanted to take them apart so it was easier to just bury everything in place. They will be very confused.

DancingShade has issued a correction as of 10:30 on Jan 8, 2024

# ? Jan 8, 2024 10:28

FuzzySlippers: Feb 6, 2009

I knew my faith in comrade MIC was not misplaced. Future generations will honor them for doing their duty as extremely wealthy buffoons if they've managed to disarm the only country to ever use nuclear weapons.

Remember that fan fiction novel someone wrote during the Trump years of Trump chasing around the guy with the nuclear football because he was wanting to nuke NK or something? Funny to think of that happening and then everyone just shrugging when the silos don't work.

# ? Jan 8, 2024 11:12

Jel Shaker: Apr 19, 2003

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/HarmlessYardDog/status/1744054524111725054

America can�t make nuclear missiles anymore because they fired all the technicians to save money

didn�t obama spend billions on upgrading these things?

# ? Jan 8, 2024 12:10

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Jel Shaker posted:

didn�t obama spend billions on upgrading these things?

yes but also that was a while back - eight (?) years is a lot of time for old people to die and for schematics to be lost

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fanfic insert: Nov 4, 2009

also obama said a lot of things that never materialized, like "hope" and "change"

# ? Jan 8, 2024 12:14

Megamissen: Jul 19, 2022; any post can be a kannapost
if you want it to be

Jel Shaker posted:

didn’t obama spend billions on upgrading these things?

look if they actually got updated you would not be able to spend additional billions to update the again

# ? Jan 8, 2024 12:15

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

https://www.businessinsider.com/britain-royal-navy-forced-recruit-linkedin-rear-admiral-nuclear-2024-1

Britain's Royal Navy resorts to LinkedIn to recruit a top submarine role that will oversee the nation's nuclear program, reports say

The British Royal Navy has resorted to LinkedIn to fill a vacancy for a submarine Rear-Admiral.

The unconventional recruitment process comes as the Navy struggles to find new talent.

A former submariner called the LinkedIn search for such a senior role "utterly shameful."

# ? Jan 8, 2024 12:44

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

Jesus Christ

# ? Jan 8, 2024 12:49

Sancho Banana: Aug 4, 2023; Not to be confused with meat.

DancingShade posted:

https://www.businessinsider.com/britain-royal-navy-forced-recruit-linkedin-rear-admiral-nuclear-2024-1

Britain's Royal Navy resorts to LinkedIn to recruit a top submarine role that will oversee the nation's nuclear program, reports say

The British Royal Navy has resorted to LinkedIn to fill a vacancy for a submarine Rear-Admiral.

The unconventional recruitment process comes as the Navy struggles to find new talent.

A former submariner called the LinkedIn search for such a senior role "utterly shameful."

Masters of the sea indeed

# ? Jan 8, 2024 12:52

fits my needs: Jan 1, 2011; Grimey Drawer

DancingShade posted:

https://www.businessinsider.com/britain-royal-navy-forced-recruit-linkedin-rear-admiral-nuclear-2024-1

Britain's Royal Navy resorts to LinkedIn to recruit a top submarine role that will oversee the nation's nuclear program, reports say

The British Royal Navy has resorted to LinkedIn to fill a vacancy for a submarine Rear-Admiral.

The unconventional recruitment process comes as the Navy struggles to find new talent.

A former submariner called the LinkedIn search for such a senior role "utterly shameful."

lmao slava brtiaini

# ? Jan 8, 2024 12:55

Jel Shaker: Apr 19, 2003

DancingShade posted:

https://www.businessinsider.com/britain-royal-navy-forced-recruit-linkedin-rear-admiral-nuclear-2024-1

Britain's Royal Navy resorts to LinkedIn to recruit a top submarine role that will oversee the nation's nuclear program, reports say

The British Royal Navy has resorted to LinkedIn to fill a vacancy for a submarine Rear-Admiral.

The unconventional recruitment process comes as the Navy struggles to find new talent.

A former submariner called the LinkedIn search for such a senior role "utterly shameful."

with an attitude like that no wonder he was passed over

# ? Jan 8, 2024 13:01

Pidgin Englishman: Apr 30, 2007; If you shoot
you better hit your mark

Well no point recruiting an actual sailor when your subs don't put to sea and the reactors are glued together badly.

# ? Jan 8, 2024 13:05

genericnick: Dec 26, 2012

fanfic insert posted:

also obama said a lot of things that never materialized, like "hope" and "change"

Personally I still hope things will change

# ? Jan 8, 2024 13:10

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

Pidgin Englishman posted:

Well no point recruiting an actual sailor when your subs don't put to sea and the reactors are glued together badly.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfao1s3Tiek&pp=ygUhd2hlbiBpIHdhcyBhIGxhZCBpIHNlcnZlZCBhIHRlcm0g

# ? Jan 8, 2024 13:18

DickParasite: Dec 2, 2004; Slippery Tilde

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/HarmlessYardDog/status/1744054524111725054

America can’t make nuclear missiles anymore because they fired all the technicians to save money

I've worked at some government facilities with decades-old infrastructure. This is extremely common.

# ? Jan 8, 2024 14:20

Good Soldier Svejk: Jul 5, 2010

DickParasite posted:

I've worked at some government facilities with decades-old infrastructure. This is extremely common.

it's also true of the softwarer/hardware at the base layer of most banks/airlines/etc.

all that poo poo at the very bottom is one some ancient mainframe running COBOL and if it ever breaks no one is left alive that knows how to fix it

# ? Jan 8, 2024 14:33

500excf type r: Mar 7, 2013; I'm as annoying as the high-pitched whine of my motorcycle, desperately compensating for the lack of substance in my life.

I've worked on some drawings that were hand drawn in the 50s ink on mylar, scanned in the 80s to microfilm, and then somewhat recently turned into a PDF. Just reading them is hard because conventions have changed so much that it often may as well be a different language that has to be deciphered line by line. Then you run into accuracy issues from hand drawings made 70 years and have to figure out if something was a mistake or if it was intentional and if so why, lots of fun. And everyone that would know is dead so good luck

# ? Jan 8, 2024 14:34

atelier morgan: Mar 11, 2003; super-scientific, ultra-gay; Lipstick Apathy

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

it's also true of the softwarer/hardware at the base layer of most banks/airlines/etc.

all that poo poo at the very bottom is one some ancient mainframe running COBOL and if it ever breaks no one is left alive that knows how to fix it

thing is since the banks all have their infrastructure based on that there's been a lot of money to pay retirees consultancy fees and pay talented professionals to pick up COBOL or the nightmarish ibm mainframe environment

with nukes it's all classified which excludes the vast majority of potential experts (because you have to be a psycho to qualify) and there's no money in it and there's nobody in the private sector doing it to hand the job off to

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cat botherer: Jan 6, 2022; I am interested in most phases of data processing.

Broke: nuclear triad
Woke: nuclear dyad

# ? Jan 8, 2024 14:46

Good Soldier Svejk: Jul 5, 2010

atelier morgan posted:

thing is since the banks all have their infrastructure based on that there's been a lot of money to pay retirees consultancy fees and pay talented professionals to pick up COBOL or the nightmarish ibm mainframe environment

with nukes it's all classified which excludes the vast majority of potential experts (because you have to be a psycho to qualify) and there's no money in it and there's nobody in the private sector doing it to hand the job off to

Very fair point, that

and I suppose all the more reason we should just bury the bastards all deep underground and go about forgetting we ever made them in the first place

# ? Jan 8, 2024 14:48

stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

FuzzySlippers posted:

I knew my faith in comrade MIC was not misplaced. Future generations will honor them for doing their duty as extremely wealthy buffoons if they've managed to disarm the only country to ever use nuclear weapons.

Remember that fan fiction novel someone wrote during the Trump years of Trump chasing around the guy with the nuclear football because he was wanting to nuke NK or something? Funny to think of that happening and then everyone just shrugging when the silos don't work.

I mean, how else can you explain Boeing keep loving up their new planes.

# ? Jan 8, 2024 14:57

KomradeX: Oct 29, 2011

Jel Shaker posted:

didn’t obama spend billions on upgrading these things?

And I'm sure it paid for a lot.of new kitches in consultants homes

# ? Jan 8, 2024 15:06

VoicesCanBe: Jul 1, 2023; "Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/HarmlessYardDog/status/1744054524111725054

America can�t make nuclear missiles anymore because they fired all the technicians to save money

This is probably very common. I work in private industry and we have a lot of old equipment that is very difficult to find information on because there are no drawings and the people that used to know this stuff long since retired

That said, most of the stakes here are significantly lower than, say, nuclear weapons.

# ? Jan 8, 2024 16:12

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

Jel Shaker posted:

didn�t obama spend billions on upgrading these things?

On 21 August 2017, the US Air Force awarded 3-year development contracts to Boeing and Northrop Grumman, for $349 million and $329 million, respectively.[70] One of these companies will be selected to produce this ground-based nuclear ICBM in 2020. In 2027, the GBSD program is expected to enter service and remain active until 2075.[71]

On 14 December 2019, it was announced that Northrop Grumman had won the competition to build the future ICBM. Northrop won by default, as their bid was at the time the only bid left to be considered for the GBSD program (Boeing had dropped out of the bidding contest earlier in 2019). The US Air Force said: "The Air Force will proceed with an aggressive and effective sole-source negotiation." in reference to Northrop's bid.[72]

# ? Jan 8, 2024 16:16

VoicesCanBe: Jul 1, 2023; "Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Cao Ni Ma posted:

https://thehill.com/newsletters/defense-national-security/4392394-iraq-wants-us-military-out/

Iraq is moving to kick out the 2.5k troops that are currently there after the US did some targeted assassinations. Hopefully they have the balls to do it. Sleepy Joe pissing away the little US status left in the region to help their fail child.

Rooting for Iraq to have the guts to follow through here. I don't think there will be much political will to keep force there if the US is pushed a little harder.

# ? Jan 8, 2024 16:16

DR FRASIER KRANG: Feb 4, 2005; "Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?

mawarannahr posted:

Boeing ftw

my favorite part about this claim is how right it is.

like even when you flip through the wiki article on it and look at the parts of the system that Boeing didn't design... they still ended up buying the companies that did the design. and then did nothing to manage the designs and documentation.

# ? Jan 8, 2024 16:20

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

wonder what an aggressive and effective sole-source negotiation with the only people who say they can build your strategically vital poo poo looks like

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Rudeboy Detective: Apr 28, 2011

mawarannahr posted:

wonder what an aggressive and effective sole-source negotiation with the only people who say they can build your strategically vital poo poo looks like

probably a lot like a job interview for a VP position 5 years in the future

# ? Jan 8, 2024 16:31

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