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Snell is no where close to even being borderline HoF
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Jan 8, 2024 19:33
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"Men want to be him, women don't watch these videos"
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Jan 8, 2024 19:45
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Nodoze posted:Snell is no where close to even being borderline HoF Two Cy Young’s will put him on the radar and if he sneaks a third in a couple years he starts to make people ask some tough questions. Everyone with 3+ is in the Hall, destined to be first ballot once eligible, or named Roger Clemens. Snell is emblematic of starters in this era in terms of style and workload bawfuls fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Jan 8, 2024 |
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Jan 8, 2024 19:55
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I just can't get behind respecting a guy who had a BB/9 of 5. THAT isn't a symptom of this era
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Jan 8, 2024 20:25
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Mark Buehrle belongs in the Hall of Leftballers and Hall of Fun highlights.
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Jan 8, 2024 20:35
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Poque posted:Stroman posted some bizarre insta story yesterday where he was playing piano while getting a tattoo, he has fully lost it. I would appreciate him, in all his glory, pitching on the Cubs.
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Jan 8, 2024 21:10
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Mustached Demon posted:I would appreciate him, in all his glory, pitching on the Cubs. I know Lincecum, Cain, and pray for rain worked for the Giants, but I'm fine with Stro and 3-4 other pretty good starters. I am not expecting a future Hall of Fame starter. The Cubs' defense should be pretty good in the near future.
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Jan 8, 2024 21:22
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Stroman is a ground ball pitcher and the Cubs have elite infield defense. I don't really get why he opted out given his 2nd half but it seems like he was unhappy about the Cubs not giving him an extension.
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Jan 8, 2024 21:28
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bawfuls posted:In general I agree, but I can see a scenario where he is a major point of contention ten or twenty years from now. so it'll take winning a third cy to make him borderline?
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Jan 8, 2024 22:18
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It might! But there's a lot of chatter about the death of the traditional starting pitcher and guys just never throwing a ton of innings anymore. If you think we'll never see another Kershaw/Verlander/Scherzer/Greinke again, then Snell starts to look like one of the best of what's left. Maybe deGrom is the better Virgin for the meme, same idea though.
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Jan 8, 2024 22:28
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personally I am hoping Snellzilla wins another two Cy Young's with middling seasons in between them for maximum "what the gently caress"
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Jan 8, 2024 22:29
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The Yankees should offer Snell like 80 million for 2 years.
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Jan 8, 2024 22:31
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Snell will win two more Cy Young's between seasons of 2 WAR pitching and it will be hilarious when he becomes eligible
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Jan 8, 2024 22:32
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mcmagic posted:The Yankees should offer Snell like 80 million for 2 years. no way he's shaving
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Jan 8, 2024 22:32
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I would also prefer Justin Steele winning a cy young.
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Jan 8, 2024 22:36
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maffew buildings posted:no way he's shaving But him and Judge are BFFs.
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Jan 8, 2024 22:39
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Mustached Demon posted:I would also prefer Justin Steele winning a cy young.  this has been a strong sentiment amongst people with cool and good beliefs
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Jan 8, 2024 22:43
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My extremely lazy rule of thumb for the Hall is: >70 WAR: Automatic first ballot Hall guy, loving fight me. Yes I know Schilling exists he deserves to go in the nanosecond he falls over dead. 70-60 WAR: Probably a Hall guy, really hard to get here and not deserve it. 50-60 WAR: Okay we can have a conversation, depending on other factors like awards/counting stat stuff they might be a Hall guy but I'm starting to get skeptical. 40-50 WAR: You're really stretching my credulity here, there needs to be something else crazy going on for me to buy they're a Hall guy. Mostly though here be the Hall of Very Good Zone. <40 WAR: Sorry but they're not a Hall guy. Snell's heading into his age 31 season and currently sitting at around 21 career WAR, of both the b and f varieties, over eight* seasons. I find it unlikely he'd even manage to retire at the >40 WAR level, let alone into the 50's 60's, unless he unlocks some whole other gear of longevity and becomes the next Verlander. He also doesn't have anything resembling the traditional "peak" period you expect from Hall guys, rather he just has two extremely good outlier seasons mixed in with a bunch of others where he pitched well but not often. It's a weird case but I just don't see how you justify putting him in unless he has a radical IP breakthrough in his 30's. *This is including 2020 which I acknowledge is dumb bullshit but that's life.
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Jan 8, 2024 22:48
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mcmagic posted:The Yankees should offer Snell like 80 million for 2 years. No thanks
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Jan 8, 2024 22:49
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Players I deem cool and good should be in the HoF and anyone who plays for the Cardinals banished for life
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Jan 8, 2024 22:51
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Popete posted:Stroman is a ground ball pitcher and the Cubs have elite infield defense. I don't really get why he opted out given his 2nd half but it seems like he was unhappy about the Cubs not giving him an extension. The only thing that makes sense is that he wanted to lock in a contract with more guaranteed years.
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Jan 8, 2024 23:00
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tadashi posted:I know Lincecum, Cain, and pray for rain worked for the Giants, but I'm fine with Stro and 3-4 other pretty good starters. I am not expecting a future Hall of Fame starter. The Cubs' defense should be pretty good in the near future. Bumgarner?
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Jan 8, 2024 23:04
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Blake Snell’s HOF plaque should have a video screen where you press a button and it plays that clip of him on Twitch learning they traded Tommy Pham for a slapdick prospect.General Bullshit posted:The same demagogue writers who aren't voting in guys for steroids are currently not saying a single thing about Wander Franco raping a fourteen year old girl. The Times has been reporting on it, though mostly via reposting info from DR insiders and articles that amount to “we don’t know poo poo, either.” There’s like ten people in the Rays subreddit and nine of them are HE WAS CHARGED WITH NOT SHOWING UP NOT WITH PIMPING A 14 YEAR OLD INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY WHEN WILL HE RETURN and I remembered why I only post in SAS. Luigi Thirty fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Jan 8, 2024 |
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Jan 8, 2024 23:13
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Luigi Thirty posted:Blake Snell’s HOF plaque should have a video screen where you press a button and it plays that clip of him on Twitch learning they traded Tommy Pham for a slapdick prospect. They traded Tommy Pham AND Jake Cronenworth for a slapdick prospect (and Hunter Renfroe and Esteban Quiroz). I'm assuming Xavier Edwards is the slapdick.
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Jan 8, 2024 23:45
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Luigi Thirty posted:Blake Snell’s HOF plaque should have a video screen where you press a button and it plays that clip of him on Twitch learning they traded Tommy Pham for a slapdick prospect. Hell, put one up even if he doesn’t get in
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Jan 9, 2024 00:15
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Every other pitcher who's won a Cy Young in both leagues is either in the Hall of Fame or Max Scherzer so Snell's Hall of Fame case is very strong.
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Jan 9, 2024 00:23
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No pitcher named Blake snell has ever failed to make the hof
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Jan 9, 2024 00:47
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Is Ohtani a first ballot yet or does he still need a couple more years of being a two-way star? Assuming he has like a 5+ WAR season next year, how much stronger is his HOF case right now?
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Jan 9, 2024 01:07
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NieR Occomata posted:Is Ohtani a first ballot yet or does he still need a couple more years of being a two-way star? Assuming he has like a 5+ WAR season next year, how much stronger is his HOF case right now? Technically he still needs 4 years. But even without the 10 year minimum, I think he's still a couple years short. He's on the don't screw up and he'll cruise in track, but at 28 there's an off chance that he's like Dale Murphy/Johan Santana who probably everyone would have bet on being HOF guys at the same age with multiple MVP/Cy's. Especially the pitcher side. There's too many guys that are dominant for a couple years and then lose it once they hit 30 for him to have the resume already. Any sort of graceful aging curve where he doesn't completely break down after the next 2-3 years would do it though.
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Jan 9, 2024 01:32
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I think on narrative alone he will make it if he puts up like 2 more seasons of good two-way production. Even if his WAR is short, he doesn't win another MVP, and he falls off a cliff after that, the unprecedented nature of what he's already achieved will just be too overwhelming for voters to resist. It might not even take that much. Add in the possibility of a signature postseason series, like a World Series where he dominates on the mound and at the plate, he's got a lot of avenues to get there. He could never throw another pitch and just be an elite hitter for the next decade, lots of options. But yeah he's probably not yet in "retire tomorrow and be first-ballot" territory but he's in "will make it barring disaster" territory.
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Jan 9, 2024 01:43
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Bregor posted:Me to Jed Hoyer: I’m gonna end posting this like thirty times in this thread aren’t I
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Jan 9, 2024 01:44
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Ohtani is so unique that normal measurements of value don’t really capture what he was able to do Like, even if he gets hit by a bus tomorrow I don’t think it’s correct to put him in the Dale Murphy “great, but not for long enough” bucket. I think he’s in right now
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Jan 9, 2024 01:44
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Oh yeah if god forbid he suffered some freak tragedy and was forced to retire tomorrow, I think he'd get in, but he'd be getting a bit of the martyr's boost in that case. Like Roy Halladay was definitely going to get into the Hall of Fame regardless, but the reason he was first-ballot is because he died young.
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Jan 9, 2024 01:45
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Like, Ohtani has a non-ridiculous case for “greatest baseball player who ever lived,” full stop. If the Hall doesn’t have room for that, what are we even doing here It’s not a case you can make (or unmake) by fiddling with WAR or trying to find comparable players. There are no comparable players, and that, itself, is Ohtani’s case as of January 2024
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Jan 9, 2024 01:51
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Jim Bowden was on Foul Territory and said no team would ever sign Trevor Bauer again so I assume he'll be on a roster in a week or two.
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Jan 9, 2024 01:52
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mcmagic posted:Jim Bowden was on Foul Territory and said no team would ever sign Trevor Bauer again so I assume he'll be on a roster in a week or two. That’s the first seal, now he’s just one Nightengale tweet away
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Jan 9, 2024 01:55
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bravesword posted:Like, Ohtani has a non-ridiculous case for “greatest baseball player who ever lived,” full stop. If the Hall doesn’t have room for that, what are we even doing here Ohtani's only been OHTANI! for three seasons now. If he got hurt and his production fell off, he'd be the greatest "What if?" of all-time but he wouldn't get into the Hall on it alone.
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Jan 9, 2024 02:41
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Sydin posted:My extremely lazy rule of thumb for the Hall is: Ichiro’s got a career WAR of 60 and there’s no way he’s not in on the first ballot. I’d bet on him getting in unanimously even.
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live with fruit posted:Ohtani's only been OHTANI! for three seasons now. If he got hurt and his production fell off, he'd be the greatest "What if?" of all-time but he wouldn't get into the Hall on it alone. See I sort of get that argument, but there’s only been one person who has ever gotten the mvp award twice unanimously (let alone that he should’ve had three and only didn’t get it because Judge broke a made up record that baseball writers set so they’d feel better about not voting in Bonds to the HOF), and Babe loving Ruth did the two way thing for barely a season and a half. Ohtani has done it for three, to me it’s pretty much inarguable that Ohtani makes the hall first ballot even if he never pitches again. Also he’s sitting on 35 WAR right now, which if we put 40 as the absolute lowest possible bound for HoF consideration he’ll get there end of this year.
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