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Finally broke my Vengeance Paladin oath, at a party no less, by telling the Tiefling mom not to kill Kagha for murdering her daughter, after laying her out with poison. I just didn't want my party getting ruined!Snake Maze posted:
I had Jaehira pop up with one quick line in the epilogue despite dying in the Ketheric fight.
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:This might be more of a general D&D question, but why is charisma the main stat for Sorcerers? Isn't the whole deal with them that their blood is magically infused or whatever and that the magical powers are literally coursing through their body? It feels like constitution would make much more sense as a main stat, since you're literally drawing on your body's internal energy to power your abilities People have pitched a Cast-From-Constitution Sorcerer before! But the reason imho is purely that Constitution as a stat is solely defensive (since it's HP + probably the most commonly asked for save + Concentration) and having the primary defensive ability score that everyone wants to some degree or another being your main casting stat is a bit of a no bueno. Is this a dumb design decision gated by another dumb design decision? Maybe! Also since Charisma is force of personality/will/etc it could be argued that you're using your innate will to coax your special sorcerous bloodline and also magic itself (via metamagic) to bend to your will. But it's mostly that first thing imo.
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Thundarr posted:What I did was basically: Cool, saving this for my next run. I didn't even know about the achievement, as I just assumed it wasn't possible lol.
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Did they actually fix the Minthara romance? I got the little romance thing with the dryad and she made it clear that she doesn't share when we talked to the drow twins. We also had confirmed the romance at camp, and she said she was going to come find me in the night, but now it's been several long rests and nothing, and she doesn't really have any more dialogue about much of anything. still feels pretty half-baked which I guess is understandable given how unlikely it is most players are going to see it.
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exquisite tea posted:Shadowheart is one of the few romance partners that doesn't break up with the player for loving Mizora, although her reasons for polyamory are more sad than fun. I didn't know you could do that! And I was definitely trying on my first run! She didn't care that I hosed The Emperor 
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You have to convince your body that it wants to make magic like you have to talk it into casting magic missile every time, it’s frustrating.
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I'm about 10 hours into Act 3 and I don't know if I can finish this game with the direction the narrative is going in. Between The Emperor, Orpheus, and Raphael, I don't feel like any choice I make is going to lead to an objectively good outcome and I can't fully trust ANY of them. It seems like every new plot beat is just piling on to the negativity and that makes it feel like my character's actions aren't really amounting to anything positive. I guess I'm just tired of being put in no-win situations by the writing. I think I liked the Act 2 ending so much because at least then I felt like I had a victory when Ketheric gets defeated, the curse is lifted from the Shadowlands, and Dame Aylin is reunited with Isobel. It's hard to really explain but I'm feeling anxiety and dread IRL every time I have to make a dialogue decision or something new happens in the game.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:IDK apparently if you romance her and approach her about being poly with Halsin she says she wants to climb Mount Halsin too. Oh yeah, I was just misremembering or confusing her for someone else. Come to think of it, I definitely had that foursome with the two drow while I was in a relationship with her. I don't know what exactly happened since it cut to black, but she seemed into it
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The writing of Act 3 needs work. Blame Todd for putting all his points into intimidation. But one of them is literally a devil 
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I have like 350 hours in bg3 at this point and I’ll be the first to admit that the game won goty purely on the strength of acts 1 and 2. I think act 3 doesn’t stick the landing at all and those criticisms are totally valid
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Okay, but I don't think that's a universally held opinion. Act 3 was my favorite part of the game. I guess I just like open world urban environments.
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Jan 8, 2024 20:07
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Don't worry, you can still save the day and be the big hero.
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It is ok to like act 3 but it doesn’t tie up anything introduced in act 1 or 2 very well and in fact introduces a fuckton of brand new stuff it has to very quickly resolve which is pretty jarring.
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Phlegmish posted:Oh yeah, I was just misremembering or confusing her for someone else. Come to think of it, I definitely had that foursome with the two drow while I was in a relationship with her. I don't know what exactly happened since it cut to black, but she seemed into it Maybe you're thinking of Lae'zel? Karlach apparently will let you be poly with Halsin but clearly isn't into it and is just afraid of losing the first relationship she has had in 10 years so you're terrible if you go with it. Also if you suggest a foursome to her with the drow twins she says incest is gross and if you call her a spoilsport she calls you a degenerate (I had to know what her reaction would be). The size of the acts seems kind of uneven more than there being a quality difference. Act one is really big when you include the mountain pass and the underdark, then act 2 is a lot smaller, then act 3 is absolutely massive and I apparently missed a bunch of side quests my first time from what I'm reading despite feeling like I spent nearly as much time in Act 3 as I did in Acts 1 and 2 combined.
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a2 is nice b/c its a nice, contained little area that still has a bunch of stuff to do and interesting things and places to go to, also playing 'how can i murder the entire tower without setting off the whole thing' is fun
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I've never tried that, maybe I should. I've always just gone in with the Harpers and watched my persistent AoEs because those loving idiots will walk straight into a Cloudkill. I killed Jaheira with a flame wall the first time I played it because I didn't know how to cancel concentration spells and she just went to stand in it after the fight.
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Jan 8, 2024 20:39
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exquisite tea posted:Shadowheart is one of the few romance partners that doesn't break up with the player for loving Mizora, although her reasons for polyamory are more sad than fun. Karlach didn't either because I said I was sorry lol
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Big Bowie Bonanza posted:I have like 350 hours in bg3 at this point and I’ll be the first to admit that the game won goty purely on the strength of acts 1 and 2. I think act 3 doesn’t stick the landing at all and those criticisms are totally valid I love act three the most actually
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22 Eargesplitten posted:I've never tried that, maybe I should. I've always just gone in with the Harpers and watched my persistent AoEs because those loving idiots will walk straight into a Cloudkill. I killed Jaheira with a flame wall the first time I played it because I didn't know how to cancel concentration spells and she just went to stand in it after the fight. you can go there ahead of time to 'scout' it and there's opportunities to covertly murder a lot of it, it makes the inevitable siege easier too since some of the defenders are dead or on your team
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The actual hardest part of rescuing Minthara is deciding what build I want to use with her. Already went paladin/warlock last run and I'd rather mix it up a bit this time.
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Sloober posted:a2 is nice b/c its a nice, contained little area that still has a bunch of stuff to do and interesting things and places to go to, also playing 'how can i murder the entire tower without setting off the whole thing' is fun Funniest part about killing the tower piecemeal is how everybody takes a sword to the face and then the narrator says "Well, well, well, you were caught committing assault. You're going to be arrested" No, I am murdering you! You are under attack! This is why all those other rooms are full of corpses! This is why the scrying eyes keep calling for backup and then mysteriously going silent! I don't think you appreciate the gravity of the situation, cultist #14!
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Snake Maze posted:Funniest part about killing the tower piecemeal is how everybody takes a sword to the face and then the narrator says "Well, well, well, you were caught committing assault. You're going to be arrested" You have the chance to smooth it over yeah i do i'm gonna push him into the drink
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started my honor run, going in mostly blind so i'm marking this one off as my evil durge playthrough and if i lose ill do it again as a good guy  Sorry Karlach those nice Paladins of Tyr told me you were a bad guy >: )wandering into the owlbear cave at level 3 with no spells and half health was a very dumb decision but it led to one of the funniest and most intense fights ever. absolutely nothing was landing and the only way i managed to stay alive was by repeatedly Enraged Throwing the Owlbear Cub at his mother and father so they'd drop prone lmao. Sorry little buddy can't wait to be friends later!!
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I think one of the things that really made me stop liking the game's plot direction was Dame Aylin stomping Ketheric's head in after you defeat him. I just found that excessively violent, especially coming from a "good" character. Even if the character was justified based on what had happened to them up to that point, it's not something I want to see.
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Sloober posted:You have the chance to smooth it over I liked how I told the dwarf his buddy fell in the river, so he ran inside to get something to fish
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Snake Maze posted:
These are not fun times for you, these are dark times!! ...not the kind of dark you like, a bad kind!
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Thundarr posted:The actual hardest part of rescuing Minthara is deciding what build I want to use with her. Already went paladin/warlock last run and I'd rather mix it up a bit this time. She made a fantastic open hand monk during my harry durge bois playthrough, also poison immunity for high level monks comboes nicely with Gale's fartcloudkill spell strategies
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Big Bowie Bonanza posted:It is ok to like act 3 but it doesn’t tie up anything introduced in act 1 or 2 very well and in fact introduces a fuckton of brand new stuff it has to very quickly resolve which is pretty jarring. My main gripe with Act 3 is that it is very easy to gently caress up and do quests or quest steps out of order, unless you know beforehand what's coming. Other than that, honestly, I think it does a good job of wrapping up most of the game-spanning quest lines, especially the companion ones. 
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Vargatron posted:Between The Emperor, Orpheus, and Raphael, I don't feel like any choice I make is going to lead to an objectively good outcome and I can't fully trust ANY of them. If you want a tiny peak ahead, those 3 are a liar, willing to be a martyr for the cause, and a literal devil. and you really do get to make choices that make you a big drat hero as things draw to a close. Act 3 is great. It’s where builds really pay off, where you get positively broken gear, and it’s where you help your friends all become their best (or if you prefer, worst) selves. It’s big pay offs and great character moments and you can regularly decide that you have no interest in compromising with the evil folks because you’re strong enough to just end them and save the day. Act 3 has more trolley problems, but most of them have a third solution that’s basically, “Easy. I just pick up the train and carry it past everyone tied to the tracks.” And then you can go smack around whoever tied everyone to the tracks in the first place. Vargatron posted:I think one of the things that really made me stop liking the game's plot direction was Dame Aylin stomping Ketheric's head in after you defeat him. I just found that excessively violent, especially coming from a "good" character. Even if the character was justified based on what had happened to them up to that point, it's not something I want to see. This is also explicitly shown to be this character very badly working through their trauma and in the camp event afterwards she is clearly shaken and Isobel takes her away to rest and heal. If you read between the lines, she’s broken her Paladin oath and needs to do some work on herself. It’s not justified at all. They are worse for having done it (even though the target is The Worst and I don’t feel bad about deposing them). edit to realize I was thinking of the second violent scene, not Ketheric. Point stands, though. Aylin’s uh … not okay. And also edited because spolier is not the same as spoiler. Geekboy fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Jan 8, 2024 |
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Vargatron posted:I think one of the things that really made me stop liking the game's plot direction was Dame Aylin stomping Ketheric's head in after you defeat him. I just found that excessively violent, especially coming from a "good" character. Even if the character was justified based on what had happened to them up to that point, it's not something I want to see. "Excessively violent" seems more like that particular character's calling card than anything more broad about the game, if her cutscene with Lorroakan is any indication. I have Questions for Selune, as well as for whoever directed their cutscenes.
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Vargatron posted:I think one of the things that really made me stop liking the game's plot direction was Dame Aylin stomping Ketheric's head in after you defeat him. I just found that excessively violent, especially coming from a "good" character. Even if the character was justified based on what had happened to them up to that point, it's not something I want to see. I once made an offhand remark that I didn't much like Dame Aylin (as opposed to Isobel who seems more chill) and almost got crucified for it, so watch out with this one
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Dallan Invictus posted:"Excessively violent" seems more like that particular character's calling card than anything more broad about the game, if her cutscene with Lorroakan is any indication. she reflects on the second one and it clearly bothers her. and the first one is pretty justifiable imo. i think they had it be so violent to emphasize that isolation and torture for however long it was had messed her up bad, and that selune wasn't just some generic lawful good angelic deity. can see how it'd bother others but it worked fine for me, i love her college rugby captain energy That DICK! fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Jan 8, 2024 |
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Weirdly, after rescuing Danis, he and Bex said their flying text and then Danis went off to stand by himself under the inn. Bex still has the line like he hasn't been rescued yet. Hopefully that doesn't break the "all tieflings saved" flag since they're at least both alive!
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Phlegmish posted:I once made an offhand remark that I didn't much like Dame Aylin (as opposed to Isobel who seems more chill) and almost got crucified for it, so watch out with this one It's not that I don't like the character it's more of "why would you include this???" lol. That cutscene viscerally disgusted me.
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Yeah, the headstomp is kind of weird because while you can reasonably infer that Dame Aylin was traumatized by the whole "100 years of isolation and torture" thing, you never get to play therapist and talk about it. She's just really brutal about killing people and it doesn't come up in dialogue.
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Vargatron posted:It's not that I don't like the character it's more of "why would you include this???" lol. That cutscene viscerally disgusted me. Oh yeah, I don't much like that sort of thing either. But I also was just not a huge fan of the character in general. Maybe because of the pompous speech pattern?  It still wasn't enough to betray her to Lorroakan, of course
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Vargatron posted:It's not that I don't like the character it's more of "why would you include this???" lol. That cutscene viscerally disgusted me. It didn't feel out of character to me. Aylin is an angelic being. She sees the world in purely black and white terms. There's no nuance to her actions. Evil is there to be mercilessly smashed and good is there to be celebrated. There's no moral greyness to her. And as an angelic being she has a supernatural drive towards what she perceives to be righteousness. Every action she takes is going to be big and instinctual. There will be no second guessing anything. What needs to be done is obvious for her. She moves with the authority of someone who never suffers from doubt or introspection.
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Ginette Reno posted:It didn't feel out of character to me. Yeah I'm not speaking about the character, but rather the cutscene itself. It sickened me. I understand the character background and motivations.
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Snake Maze posted:Yeah, the headstomp is kind of weird because while you can reasonably infer that Dame Aylin was traumatized by the whole "100 years of isolation and torture" thing, you never get to play therapist and talk about it. She's just really brutal about killing people and it doesn't come up in dialogue. she's a vengance oath paladin op Phlegmish posted:Oh yeah, I was just misremembering or confusing her for someone else. Come to think of it, I definitely had that foursome with the two drow while I was in a relationship with her. I don't know what exactly happened since it cut to black, but she seemed into it They start "worshipping" her as a chosen of Shar, which she seems really into even though by the time I did that she had turned from Shar and was a cleric of selune according to her character sheet. Fantasy is fantasy I guess!
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