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Malleum posted:the holocaust happened to ashkenazi jews, the rank and file terrorists throwing babies into bread ovens in mandatory palestine were mizrahi jews and the few ashkenazim that made it there did not experience the holocaust because they were collaborating with nazis to assassinate british officers and hinder the allied war effort the holocaust (and, as was mentioned below, centuries of pogroms and expulsions) was a massively traumatizing event for all Jews, not just those who physically went to the camps. like, obviously it does not justify anything Zionists have done, and it’s in fact one of the clearest examples in history of a traumatized people re-enacting their trauma on others, but the idea that the early zionists were not deeply deranged by trauma is kind of weird. obviously they were, they just made the choice to react to it in the worst possible way and then doubled down on that mistake repeatedly over the next 75 years. calling holocaust survivors “sabonim” is a trauma response, and like many trauma responses, it is in fact deeply hosed up and unhealthy for everyone involved.
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Regarding the Al-Jazeera report of 9 dead soldiers- I founded the Hebrew source they were quoting, it was a field report from just now on Telegram, the state news channels/papers haven't reported on it yet so I didn't find it before. In somewhat related news: "Fauda star Idan Amedi among wounded IDF soldiers in Gaza" https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-781319 lmao
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Sancho Banana posted:Regarding the Al-Jazeera report of 9 dead soldiers- I founded the Hebrew source they were quoting, it was a field report from just now on Telegram, the state news channels/papers haven't reported on it yet so I didn't find it before. In somewhat related news: Fauda also lost their chief sound editor Lior Waitzman Reminder that one Fauda proposed plotline was a massive raid coming from Gaza and overrunning the border, which was discarded as too unrealistic Also: an entire squad of Dudevan unit or whatever that the show was based on, got rekt on 10/7 iirc OctaMurk has issued a correction as of 20:55 on Jan 8, 2024 |
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:the holocaust (and, as was mentioned below, centuries of pogroms and expulsions) was a massively traumatizing event for all Jews, not just those who physically went to the camps. like, obviously it does not justify anything Zionists have done, and it’s in fact one of the clearest examples in history of a traumatized people re-enacting their trauma on others, but the idea that the early zionists were not deeply deranged by trauma is kind of weird. obviously they were, they just made the choice to react to it in the worst possible way and then doubled down on that mistake repeatedly over the next 75 years. Yeah, all of this, especially in bold. It sucks!
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Cpt_Obvious posted:I must admit, simply announcing that you've won the war is an insanely powerful cheat code. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9dLCVgIy24
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Cpt_Obvious posted:I must admit, simply announcing that you've won the war is an insanely powerful cheat code. 
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Sancho Banana posted:Ben Gvir is being his usual self (insane moron) again These two fash idiots are going to tear their own government apart with moves like this surely?
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Cookie Cutter posted:These two fash idiots are going to tear their own government apart with moves like this surely? Now is the time for them to do this and maximize their activity though. Netanyahu needs them to stay in power, and wants the same things but is merely calmer in his hitlerocity. There is no better time, may never be a better time, for them to go full maximalist.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:the holocaust (and, as was mentioned below, centuries of pogroms and expulsions) was a massively traumatizing event for all Jews, not just those who physically went to the camps. like, obviously it does not justify anything Zionists have done, and it’s in fact one of the clearest examples in history of a traumatized people re-enacting their trauma on others, but the idea that the early zionists were not deeply deranged by trauma is kind of weird. obviously they were, they just made the choice to react to it in the worst possible way and then doubled down on that mistake repeatedly over the next 75 years. you got your trauma language in my murderous political opportunism
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The Oldest Man posted:you got your trauma language in my murderous political opportunism
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OctaMurk posted:Fauda also lost their chief sound editor Lior Waitzman fukken owned bitch
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The Oldest Man posted:It (a centralized common and control for the viet cong) did exist. Just not as a physical location that you could drop a bomb on. bit torrents for military intelligence and control
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:the holocaust (and, as was mentioned below, centuries of pogroms and expulsions) was a massively traumatizing event for all Jews, not just those who physically went to the camps. like, obviously it does not justify anything Zionists have done, and it’s in fact one of the clearest examples in history of a traumatized people re-enacting their trauma on others, but the idea that the early zionists were not deeply deranged by trauma is kind of weird. obviously they were, they just made the choice to react to it in the worst possible way and then doubled down on that mistake repeatedly over the next 75 years. imo early zionists were also just trying to replicate what every other nationality in europe was trying to do in the 19th and early 20th centuries. it was the thing to do, and while colonialism and nationalism are bad, given the historical context it's understandable that some jews pursued that.
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Let's be really clear that identifying the trauma response in no way absolves these assholes. They wake up every day and CHOOSE to be monsters because they think being an alive monster is better than being a dead human and those are the only two options they think are available. They could repent at any point before death, but seem to prefer this murder-suicide rather than healing or making amends. It's sick, it's killing innocent people, and it is anathema to what I always was taught about Judaism. Dreylad posted:imo early zionists were also just trying to replicate what every other nationality in europe was trying to do in the 19th and early 20th centuries. it was the thing to do, and while colonialism and nationalism are bad, given the historical context it's understandable that some jews pursued that. Absolutely. They saw a tool suited for their purposes and grabbed it with both hands. It's a disgusting, antihuman tool, but it already broke open Pandora's box so why not get in on the action? It's understandable, it's just not really forgivable. (Death to western colonialism.) Strep Vote has issued a correction as of 22:25 on Jan 8, 2024 |
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Muscle Tracer posted:so what is the connection with watermelon It's a clever way to display the Palestinian colors (green white red black).
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cat botherer posted:This sort of language retraumatizes PoGs (persons of genocide) (persons after willing genocide)
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Muscle Tracer posted:so what is the connection with watermelon palestinian flag colors, just having one is cause enough to be arrested by the colonial forces and jailed
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trauma responsing backward through time from the holocaust to establish a colonial banking trust in the 1880s that still funds illegal west bank settlement activities today
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Sancho Banana posted:Ben Gvir is being his usual self (insane moron) again Come on, civil war
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Muscle Tracer posted:so what is the connection with watermelon https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/09/israel-security-minister-bans-palestinian-flag-flying-in-public
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Sancho Banana posted:Ben Gvir is being his usual self (insane moron) again Goofus vs Doofus
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The Oldest Man posted:trauma responsing backward through time from the holocaust to establish a colonial banking trust in the 1880s that still funds illegal west bank settlement activities today Literally just said it wasn't Holocaust trauma.
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do people really not know anything about the history of jews before the holocaust
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Al! posted:do people really not know anything about the history of jews before the holocaust -slaves in Egypt -exiled -exiled again -holocaust -october 7 nothing happened between those and it's antisemitic to suggest otherwise
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:the holocaust (and, as was mentioned below, centuries of pogroms and expulsions) was a massively traumatizing event for all Jews, not just those who physically went to the camps. like, obviously it does not justify anything Zionists have done, and it’s in fact one of the clearest examples in history of a traumatized people re-enacting their trauma on others, but the idea that the early zionists were not deeply deranged by trauma is kind of weird. obviously they were, they just made the choice to react to it in the worst possible way and then doubled down on that mistake repeatedly over the next 75 years. I feel like, once you're talking about people who didn't actually experience anything directly, it's really hard to draw a distinction between "trauma" and "people driving themselves insane via propaganda or harmful nurture." Like you can argue that "a child repeatedly being told by their parents that everyone wants to kill them" is trauma, but the trauma is "being told that stuff," not anything that actually happened. It's like citing the trauma of someone whose parents constantly tell them that Mexicans illegally crossing the border are going to murder them. The fear of theirs might be real, but it's obviously not the same thing as "actually being traumatized by something that happened to you." I'm Jewish and there's a very obvious distinction between the Jews whose parents drill this stuff into their children's heads and those (like me) who didn't have that happen. edit: You can also just look at Israel's words and actions and see how they're directly analogous with other racist ethnostates. I don't think it makes sense to say that, say, South Africa was motivated by the trauma experienced by Afrikaners.
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Al! posted:do people really not know anything about the history of jews before the holocaust no (cliffnotes?)
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God sets high standards for Jews, Jews fail to uphold those standards, God gets mad, God punishes Jews
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the cliffs notes version is that throughout most of the last 2000 years there were few places where jews were even allowed to exist, and in those places they were subject to everything from harassment to outright sanctioned murder. sometimes, like in spain, theyd just kick all the jews out of the country and took all their poo poo but then those jews had nowere to go, and were in fact spanish people of jewish heritage but late medieval europe didnt care about that. jews were simply not allowed to assimilate and even in places like germany where a lot of jews started to actually assimilate and become germans first and jews second, well we know how that story ended
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Bear Retrieval Unit posted:-slaves in Egypt They weren't slaves in Egypt (en masse at least) iirc. Certainly didn't build the pyramids as slaves in any case.
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Al! posted:the cliffs notes version is that throughout most of the last 2000 years there were few places where jews were even allowed to exist, and in those places they were subject to everything from harassment to outright sanctioned murder. sometimes, like in spain, theyd just kick all the jews out of the country and took all their poo poo but then those jews had nowere to go, and were in fact spanish people of jewish heritage but late medieval europe didnt care about that. jews were simply not allowed to assimilate and even in places like germany where a lot of jews started to actually assimilate and become germans first and jews second, well we know how that story ended
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Ytlaya posted:I feel like, once you're talking about people who didn't actually experience anything directly, it's really hard to draw a distinction between "trauma" and "people driving themselves insane via propaganda or harmful nurture." eh i think being a jew who witnessed the rise of the nazis and then the attempt at the final solution to the problem of You and Your Kind in all its gruesome magnitude would've been at the very least intensely stressful, especially if you also had to deal with casual antisemitism on a more-or-less regular basis. it's very easy to imagine people going mad under the circumstances, and i don't think the language of trauma is inappropriate to describe this. i don't think it's sufficient to explain israel then or today, but i do think it's a contributing factor. of course, people growing up now naturally feel very differently and - as you say - probably vary with upbringing and cultural baggage
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Leandros posted:They weren't slaves in Egypt (en masse at least) iirc. Certainly didn't build the pyramids as slaves in any case. reported to the ADL
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Leandros posted:They weren't slaves in Egypt (en masse at least) iirc. Certainly didn't build the pyramids as slaves in any case. were slaves in Babylon though
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Al! posted:the cliffs notes version is that throughout most of the last 2000 years there were few places where jews were even allowed to exist, and in those places they were subject to everything from harassment to outright sanctioned murder. sometimes, like in spain, theyd just kick all the jews out of the country and took all their poo poo but then those jews had nowere to go, and were in fact spanish people of jewish heritage but late medieval europe didnt care about that. jews were simply not allowed to assimilate and even in places like germany where a lot of jews started to actually assimilate and become germans first and jews second, well we know how that story ended to add to this a bit - the official stance of the church, the most powerful organization that every european king owed fealty to, was that the jews were afflicted by a blood curse that made them responsible for the death of jesus and that every jew should be ostracized for it. this was official christian canon until like 1960 and every protestant splinter like luther was very clear that they hated the pope, but agreed with him wrt the hebrews
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