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illectro posted:I've often said the iPhone AirDrop feature is great.  you clever bastardTangent: the titanium iPhones are no joke, my wife dropped one on our stone floor, corner impact. It chipped the stone and took not even a scuff. Back to business at hand: https://theaircurrent.com/feed/dispatches/united-finds-loose-bolts-on-plug-doors-during-737-max-9-inspections/ The Air Current posted:United Airlines has found loose bolts and other parts on 737 Max 9 plug doors as it inspects its fleet of Boeing jets following the Friday rapid depressurization aboard an Alaska Airlines jet of the same make, according to three people familiar with the findings.
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illectro posted:I've often said the iPhone AirDrop feature is great. Thread title? Wombot posted:
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jfc https://twitter.com/byerussell/status/1744460136855294106?s=46 Is it time for 737 MAX groundings 2: electric boogaloo
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Holy gently caress they need to all be grounded this is insane
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maLBGFYl9_o&t=246s Should be timestamped to start of discussion on how the door is hung, otherwise skip to 4 minutes in. Takeaway is that the door, despite being called a "plug", is not actually physically a plug to the fuselage - the plug can hinge outward and is solely retained against cabin pressure via bolts and roller pins that engage a track at the top of the door.
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hobbesmaster posted:jfc Who installs the plug, airline maintenance or Boeing?
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hobbesmaster posted:Thread title?
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This is all hearsay from People On The Internet so I'm open to being proved wrong, but supposedly the responsibility for testing and checking those doors is part of the Final Assembly Line tasks - ie, Boeing's Renton plant. edit: hobbesmaster posted:Thread title?
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Potato Salad posted:Who installs the plug, airline maintenance or Boeing? No one, it turns out.
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Platystemon posted:No one, it turns out. lol
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Platystemon posted:No one, it turns out. 
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Now imagine how many other bolts are in those planes and how many of them might be loose
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Gonna laugh when the insane documentation that shows who touches every single part of an airplane is blank so they can't figure out who didn't torque the bolts properly.
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Potato Salad posted:Who installs the plug, airline maintenance or Boeing? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_AeroSystems
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fknlo posted:Gonna laugh when the insane documentation that shows who touches every single part of an airplane is blank so they can't figure out who didn't torque the bolts properly. it's absolutely not blank however, did the person who signed off the operation to do that particular bit of work actually do it? or was it their lead or coworker? who knows!?
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Platystemon posted:No one, it turns out. 
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FuturePastNow posted:Now imagine how many other bolts are in those planes and how many of them might be loose And I'm sure that doesn't even include the "special prizes" that get left in the fuselages, like a ladder in the fuel tank of a KC-46! 
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Potato Salad posted:Who installs the plug, airline maintenance or Boeing? But apparently Boeing may have to uninstall and reinstall it in Renton? Regardless, technically all of those things are supposed to be checked in Renton. https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/1744474360956780614?s=46 That’s actually a much more alarming timeframe than I was initially expecting! Wikipedia says there were 343 deliveries in 2023 and 374 in 2022. According to twitter United accepted 39 deliveries during that time frame and found 5 with loose fasteners. In one subsystem. Ah well, that’s the legendary aviation (does some math) 0.97 9s of reliability for you!
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How do regulators even respond to something like this (besides the glib "let Boeing do what they want")? Do you haul in all planes that were built in the timeframe that this particular issue was found and do a complete post assembly inspection? I mean, if this was an assembly issue that's not due to some flawed process for this specific thing and instead was just negligence in general work, then any number of other things could be suspect.
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bull3964 posted:Do you haul in all planes that were built in the timeframe that this particular issue was found and do a complete post assembly inspection? Preferably you’d leave them where they are but yes. The USAF had to do this with their KC-46s
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hobbesmaster posted:But apparently Boeing may have to uninstall and reinstall it in Renton? Regardless, technically all of those things are supposed to be checked in Renton. i will absolutely disclaim any special knowledge, that's just simple publicly available info and things are often more complex
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`Nemesis posted:i will absolutely disclaim any special knowledge, that's just simple publicly available info and things are often more complex quote:As part of the production process, Spirit builds fuselages for 737s and sends them by train with the special door assembly “semi-rigged,” one of the people said. From this article. The photo embed from up-thread shows loose bolts on the frame that holds the lower spring-assist mechanism in place, but the spring safety pin seems to be properly installed and safety wired. It's possible Spirit installs the frame and hinges but doesn't fully secure the door and did a bad job torqueing those bolts or whatever, and those bolts also happen to not be part of the reinstallation work that Boeing does. So it was good enough to pass the 150% pressurization test as part of final assembly, but not enough to keep the bolts from rattling loose once they went into service. Or Boeing completely hosed up the reinstallation portion of it's final assembly tasks for the door. Or a wizard did it.
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Cactus Ghost posted:i almost bought the first aid kit from whaletail but $100 for a neat novelty bag is steep even for my dumb rear end Yeah but, 747 1st class pod! My wife said no.
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fknlo posted:Gonna laugh when the insane documentation that shows who touches every single part of an airplane is blank so they can't figure out who didn't torque the bolts properly. Comedy option would be that there is a section in the assembly process sheet for putting in the bolt finger tight and then a later section for safety wiring it and a section for independent visual inspection of the work but the section for torquing it down just never made it in.
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bull3964 posted:How do regulators even respond to something like this (besides the glib "let Boeing do what they want")? Alaska reported that they've found several with loose bolts too. I think they have to ground them and figure out what the gently caress is going on.
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With how badly the FAA and other regulatory agencies hosed up in letting the manufacturers certify themselves, I wonder if the Max 8 and 739 are going to get an AD for a random but statistically significant portion of the global fleet to get a C check and see if other patterns emerge. It would thoroughly hose commercial aviation for a while.
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This will be the catalyst for governments around the world to recognize the value of properly staffing and funding regulatory agencies relating to aviation, inshallah.
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The repeated MAX fuckups may also mean that other nations don't blindly accept FAA certifications anymore, which would be absolutely hilarious.
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PT6A posted:This will be the catalyst for governments around the world to recognize the value of properly staffing and funding regulatory agencies relating to aviation, inshallah. Now that's downright unAmerican.
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PT6A posted:This will be the catalyst for governments around the world to recognize the value of properly staffing and funding regulatory agencies relating to aviation, inshallah. Inshallah. fknlo posted:Alaska reported that they've found several with loose bolts too. I think they have to ground them and figure out what the gently caress is going on. I thought this was another uncited source like with United, but no, they straight up put out a press release saying, "poo poo's loose."
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PT6A posted:This will be the catalyst for governments around the world to recognize the value of properly staffing and funding regulatory agencies relating to aviation, inshallah. buddy, they won't even let ME fund the agencies
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PT6A posted:This will be the catalyst for governments around the world to recognize the value of properly staffing and funding regulatory agencies relating to aviation, inshallah. I think you mean the failure of big government bureaucrats not doing their jobs. Privatizing regulation will let the market deliver an effective regulatory framework as competition to provide an optimal level of regulation that both consumers and providers negotiate will ensure an efficient level of safety. jk lol
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`Nemesis posted:never trust spirit, the airline or the aviation manufacturing company The cigarettes aren't that great, either
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quote:I think Boeing would be making slightly better products today if McDonald’s had merged with them instead.
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cigaw posted:Gotta love waking into an airplane with an old burger smell. One of the worst flights I ever took started with a dude bringing on a huge bag of In & Out burgers and storing them in the overhead compartment. It was a transcon flight. -_-
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