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Escape From Noise posted:Uhoh! This guy is breaking the case wide open! Could just be made up, but also not unreasonable for a prosecutor to meet with the nation's current expert on how the law works with regards to the Office of the President before proceeding to prosecute a former president.
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Jan 9, 2024 19:39
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Philthy posted:According to Trump's lawyers, a President is immune unless congress convicts him, then he can be tried. Yes, this means a President is immune from Seal Team Six'ing congress before it can get that far. Once they're asked that, either answer is bad for them, so they aren't really dumb for picking one of the two possible answers and sticking with their argument. mystes fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Jan 9, 2024 |
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Jan 9, 2024 19:42
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Raskolnikov2089 posted:If this was all an HBO miniseries playing 200 years in the future, everyone's favorite character would be Donald J. Trump. Like, no question. The actor playing him would be set for life. I dunno. Rudy doesn't get nearly as much screen time and his arc is winding down (or is it?!?), but anytime he's brought out, everything else pales in comparison.
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Jan 9, 2024 19:47
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Escape From Noise posted:I'm sorry but I just found out that this is trapezoid mouthed MAGA rapper's car and lol. this vehicle has a lien on it for at least 2.5x its actual value
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Jan 9, 2024 19:47
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Escape From Noise posted:Uhoh! This guy is breaking the case wide open!
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Jan 9, 2024 19:47
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literal threat to the existence of the united states says what?
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Jan 9, 2024 19:49
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:loving This won't stop Trump's cultists. He's guaranteed to win big now. None of the other candidate's following are half as dedicated.
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Jan 9, 2024 19:50
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I actually cannot believe how brazenly these people are courting open rebellion.
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Jan 9, 2024 19:51
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https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1744791826387587468
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Jan 9, 2024 19:51
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Escape From Noise posted:I'm sorry but I just found out that this is trapezoid mouthed MAGA rapper's car and lol. 
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Jan 9, 2024 19:53
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Buce posted:literal threat to the existence of the united states says what? But he was doing such a tremendous job!
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Jan 9, 2024 19:56
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mystes posted:I don't think they're necessarily dumb. If the president has immunity from any prosecution unless impeached and convicted, that is the logical outcome, so either they have to say that the president doesn't have complete immunity, or they have to say that the president could actually do that. I'm sure that they had already realized that was a flaw with arguing that the president has complete immunity, but they probably were hoping they just wouldn't be asked that, and once they were their options were other to back off on their argument or admit that hypothetically would be the case. I guess I'm confused. It sounds like the lawyers are arguing that any President is immune from any crime, no matter how heinous, unless they've been impeached and convicted beforehand. Wouldn't that make the crime for which they are impeached therefore unimpeachable because they are immune? Should we just impeach every President as soon as they are sworn in in order to get their criming out of the way? It seems so paradoxically ridiculous, but this is also American law. Is there a strong legal basis for making that argument?
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Jan 9, 2024 20:01
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https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1744784178741145904 I am almost certain there is going to be a media campaign this fall that just casually refers to Trump as a rapist over and over again.
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Jan 9, 2024 20:03
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They literally got the most extreme religious zealot gop member to run the house.
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Jan 9, 2024 20:03
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BrideOfUglycat posted:I guess I'm confused. It sounds like the lawyers are arguing that any President is immune from any crime, no matter how heinous, unless they've been impeached and convicted beforehand. Wouldn't that make the crime for which they are impeached therefore unimpeachable because they are immune? Should we just impeach every President as soon as they are sworn in in order to get their criming out of the way? The claimed immunity is to judiciary processes. Impeachment is a purely political one. They also claim that you can only be prosecuted for the specific crime you've been impeached for, so your preemptive impeachment idea is out.
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Jan 9, 2024 20:03
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BrideOfUglycat posted:I guess I'm confused. It sounds like the lawyers are arguing that any President is immune from any crime, no matter how heinous, unless they've been impeached and convicted beforehand. Wouldn't that make the crime for which they are impeached therefore unimpeachable because they are immune? Should we just impeach every President as soon as they are sworn in in order to get their criming out of the way? I think they are doing the shotgun approach of arguing against anyone doing anything mean to trump They are trying every argument they can in every court they can to see if they can draw a trumpy judge and somehow squeak to a win
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Jan 9, 2024 20:05
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Aramis posted:The claimed immunity is to judiciary processes. Impeachment is a purely political one. Okay, but why would the judiciary agree to that, though? You're asking judges to say that they... can't judge something?
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Jan 9, 2024 20:05
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Trump was passing notes to his legal team in court today. What was on his note? Dickbutt? I WANT NOTHING. I WANT NOTHING. I WANT NO QUID PRO QUO. “Tell the judge I can send Seal Team Six after him, you loving loser and hater. Both of you can die like a dog.” Boobies. Ivanka. Berders. Add them to my SWAT list.
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Jan 9, 2024 20:06
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BrideOfUglycat posted:I guess I'm confused. It sounds like the lawyers are arguing that any President is immune from any crime, no matter how heinous, unless they've been impeached and convicted beforehand. Wouldn't that make the crime for which they are impeached therefore unimpeachable because they are immune? Should we just impeach every President as soon as they are sworn in in order to get their criming out of the way? quote:It seems so paradoxically ridiculous, but this is also American law. Is there a strong legal basis for making that argument?
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Jan 9, 2024 20:06
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Asterite34 posted:Okay, but why would the judiciary agree to that, though? You're asking judges to say that they... can't judge something? Judges not having jurisdiction on stuff happens all the time. e: mystes posted:I think the idea is just that to be convicted in a court they first have to be impeached and convicted by congress. There's not necessarily any reason it should work that way, but it's a possible way it could work, I guess. I suppose it arguably makes more sense in the context of the actual powers of the president that a court shouldn't be able to convict a president for executing the duties of the president unless congress has impeached and convicted them first? I don't think it's really a good idea either way, but it's possible to imagine the system being set up that way in terms of checks and balances. The reasoning roughly goes: 1. The President must have broad leeway in order to be able to boldly do what is needed for the country without worrying about their self-interests. 2. But there has to be some kind of limit to this, apparently. 3. Since the impeachment process exists and is well defined, we suggest that this is the only clear-cut limit that we can all agree on. Aramis fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Jan 9, 2024 |
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Jan 9, 2024 20:07
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rotinaj posted:“No because Biden is an illegitimate stollen erection President and he should be in prison” there's one thought. they're done with it here's the second. "the constitution is sacred!! *first idea leaves* trump needs to suspend the constitution until we know what's going on!"
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Jan 9, 2024 20:07
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I think you’re under the mistaken impression that Trimp’s lawyers are trying to win. They’re just talking enough to convince Trump they’re trying, in the mistaken impression they’ll get paid or launch their career as a non-disbarred Chud lawyer.
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Jan 9, 2024 20:09
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BrideOfUglycat posted:I guess I'm confused. It sounds like the lawyers are arguing that any President is immune from any crime, no matter how heinous, unless they've been impeached and convicted beforehand. Wouldn't that make the crime for which they are impeached therefore unimpeachable because they are immune? Should we just impeach every President as soon as they are sworn in in order to get their criming out of the way? I mean, the President does literally have people assassinated regularly, we even have a special knife missile for it:   So it may be a bit more of a legal grey area than we want to admit to ourselves. This is and was always the trouble with Trump "You can't" is and was always viewed as a challenge to him, no matter the moral depravity of the question.
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Jan 9, 2024 20:10
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InsertPotPun posted:"cognitive dissonance" implies they hold two ideas at the same time. they don't. Fair. That is basically the same idea I was trying to explain, explained better. That moment where a normal person would go “wait, how can I say god is pro-life and also say that god drowned everyone but Noah and his family” and think for a moment doesn’t happen with these folks, they just smoothly skate from “god loves all unborn babies and killing them is sinful” to “anyone who is a communist must be executed by the state” without hesitation. Just because killing an unborn baby is a sin doesn’t mean that their political enemies shouldn’t be put to death. Those two ideas are fundamentally incompatible with each other? Bullshit, you woke weak lib soy boy
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Jan 9, 2024 20:10
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Time_pants posted:I actually cannot believe how brazenly these people are courting open rebellion. yeah, its way beyond 4chan memes. this poo poo is dangerous and nobody seems to give a gently caress
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Jan 9, 2024 20:11
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Three Olives posted:knife missile really digging these culture references
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Jan 9, 2024 20:13
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Aramis posted:Judges not having jurisdiction on stuff happens all the time. True, but usually the argument is that someone else DOES have jurisdiction. That said, I could easily see Trump's belief that "L'etat, c'est moi" would mean no one has jurisdiction over him.
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Jan 9, 2024 20:14
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Buce posted:yeah, its way beyond 4chan memes. this poo poo is dangerous and nobody seems to give a gently caress It’s because Jan 6th didn’t kill anyone who mattered to the congress critters If anyone but guards and peasants had died, they would have dropped the hammer harder and faster. Now, they just are expecting business as usual All it takes is one trump chud to drive a truck bomb up to someone’s house, but we can’t possibly head that off at the pass
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Jan 9, 2024 20:14
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So if the president is immune from everything when does Biden order a drone strike on Mar A Lago?
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Jan 9, 2024 20:15
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BrideOfUglycat posted:True, but usually the argument is that someone else DOES have jurisdiction. That said, I could easily see Trump's belief that "L'etat, c'est moi" would mean no one has jurisdiction over him. His lawyers are crystal-clear here that this jurisdiction 100% resides with congress by way of impeachment. the fact that congress is completely and demonstrably incapable of performing their duty in that regard is a matter for another day.
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Jan 9, 2024 20:16
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Did Trump yell out “super immunity no take backs!” BEFORE doing crimes though? If so, there’s nothing the justice system can do.
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Jan 9, 2024 20:17
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Jan 9, 2024 20:17
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The walls closing in on Trump's ability to shitpost is funny because, if he's anything like every other boomer, the minute he feels "restrained" enough he explodes and destroys everything in his vicinity which is usually just his diaper and his wife
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Jan 9, 2024 20:17
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Codependent Poster posted:So if the president is immune from everything when does Biden order a drone strike on Mar A Lago? The President is only immunized if he is the legal president, and since Stollen and Rigged, Biden is the one who must be drone striked
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Jan 9, 2024 20:18
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Buce posted:yeah, its way beyond 4chan memes. this poo poo is dangerous and nobody seems to give a gently caress rotinaj posted:The President is only immunized if he is the legal president, and since Stollen and Rigged, Biden is the one who must be drone striked
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Jan 9, 2024 20:19
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mystes posted:The problem is that it seems like it's just like a sports game to republicans. They're just trying to win at all costs without any consideration of the fact that by doing that they're going to cause an actual collapse of the political system. I think part of that is complacency because they don't realize how close we are to that. it's actually that boomers as a generation are a death cult that believe and hope that the world ends with them
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Jan 9, 2024 20:23
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BrideOfUglycat posted:I guess I'm confused. It sounds like the lawyers are arguing that any President is immune from any crime, no matter how heinous, unless they've been impeached and convicted beforehand. Wouldn't that make the crime for which they are impeached therefore unimpeachable because they are immune? Should we just impeach every President as soon as they are sworn in in order to get their criming out of the way? Of course there's no basis. The entire point of this immunity claim is to slow down his trial until he can become president, by appealing this up the chain to the supreme court. They just need to go through all the motions (while throwing in a few references to his polls numbers to boost his ego) with something that looks enough like an argument that SCOTUS won't deny appeal without a hearing (which would speed things up).
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Jan 9, 2024 20:23
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Jan 9, 2024 20:27
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If presidents aren’t immune to crimes, they might hesitate to commit crimes!!!
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Jan 9, 2024 20:27
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kazil posted:...
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