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Jan 10, 2024 01:27
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How could it be? This is CanPol. This thread has been rated 2 for as long as I can remember. If it weren't for bad posts we'd have no posts at all.
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Jan 10, 2024 01:32
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Relating to our discussion about Canadian media, I just found the following article from the usually-quite-poo poo Calgary Herald: https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/calgarians-hope-against-odds-loved-ones-gaza Despite being a right-wing rag, the Herald manages to present some degree of sympathy toward Palestinians in Canada and Gaza alike, instead of banging on loving endlessly about how Jews are under siege in Canada because they saw a man with a keffiyeh on the street one time, and how spray-painting a loving Indigo is basically Kristallnacht. How is it that the wonderful progressivism of the GTA, may its name be blessed, results in that poo poo, and we can do better here, in the absolute arsecrack of Conservative hell? I think this is a sign of something that's not being accounted for in Canadian politics and I can't make heads nor tails of what it might be because it makes very little sense to me.
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Jan 10, 2024 01:39
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infernal machines posted:How could it be? This is CanPol. Funny thing is I can see who rated the thread what so I know who to look out for.
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Jan 10, 2024 01:41
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PT6A posted:Relating to our discussion about Canadian media, I just found the following article from the usually-quite-poo poo Calgary Herald: Larger local Jewish populations/political activist groups in the GTA than in Calgary? More attention paid to events in Toronto since it's the center of the universe?
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Jan 10, 2024 01:43
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infernal machines posted:How could it be? This is CanPol. It's rated 1 once you factor in the exchange rate.
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Jan 10, 2024 01:44
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Arivia posted:Larger local Jewish populations/political activist groups in the GTA than in Calgary? More attention paid to events in Toronto since it's the center of the universe? I think we have a reasonably large Jewish community in Calgary, and to be honest I was hoping for an explanation that didn't end up being "the Jews are behind it" because that does sound reasonably like a conspiracy theory, and considering that possibility makes me feel uncomfortable.
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Jan 10, 2024 01:49
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are they digging tunnels though?
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Jan 10, 2024 01:49
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PT6A posted:I think we have a reasonably large Jewish community in Calgary, and to be honest I was hoping for an explanation that didn't end up being "the Jews are behind it" because that does sound reasonably like a conspiracy theory, and considering that possibility makes me feel uncomfortable. I don't think it's bigoted or anti-semitic to wonder if there's a difference in proportional demographics that affects media coverage, but I get what you mean.
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Jan 10, 2024 01:51
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Arivia posted:I don't think it's bigoted or anti-semitic to wonder if there's a difference in proportional demographics that affects media coverage, but I get what you mean. I also don't think it's bigoted or anti-semitic to say that Israel's behaviour is nothing short of abhorrent and disgraceful, but there are apparently a lot of folks who disagree with me and get published in national newspapers. I don't know if I'm trying to convince myself there's an explanation that doesn't involve some conspiracy-adjacent poo poo, or if I'm trying to lay out a proof by contradiction without saying it. What I do know is that mainstream national coverage has been poo poo, and Trudeau should be loving ashamed of himself that he's not standing with South Africa as they present charges at the ICJ shortly. We should be ashamed, as a country, of his repugnant behaviour on this issue.
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Jan 10, 2024 02:12
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PT6A posted:Relating to our discussion about Canadian media, I just found the following article from the usually-quite-poo poo Calgary Herald: https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/denley-whats-in-a-name-in-official-ottawa-thats-a-complex-question If you want to wash the taste out of your mouth with something worse, here's the sound of an old white man crying about not feeling any connection with place names because they're in an a language his ancestors may or may not have tried to exterminate maybe, and don't drink every time you read a scare quote cause you'll die gently caress Randal Denley
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Jan 10, 2024 03:11
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flakeloaf posted:https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/denley-whats-in-a-name-in-official-ottawa-thats-a-complex-question I would not like to do that, I refuse it. I anathematize it. And to be clear, I sort of like the article I linked. It treated Palestinian-Canadians like real people with real concerns and did not indulge Ezra Levant's lurid fantasies or any such nonsense. It didn't really touch on the wider aspects of the conflict, and honestly I'm okay with that, because what people need to see is that it's real people who are dying, it's our friends and neighbours who are affected.
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Jan 10, 2024 03:46
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flakeloaf posted:https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/denley-whats-in-a-name-in-official-ottawa-thats-a-complex-question Old white people crying and moaning out their rear end about place names being changed to reflect the First Nations people who were there first isn't anything new, really. What makes it especially egregious in this case is that he's in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, and that's a three-for-three on Indigenous Appropriated Names Bingo.
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Jan 10, 2024 03:56
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Its so loving cool that all the people weeping about the perils of racism with respect to Canadian Jews were demanding blood quantum limits for Chinese Canadian politicians like 6 months ago
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Jan 10, 2024 04:42
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Remember when Parliament passed a resolution condeming reporters for being Too Muslim and these trained seals lined up to applaud?
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Jan 10, 2024 04:45
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You don't even have to extend beyond antisemitism. Remember when Parliament applauded a member of the SS? any federal politician who wants to start lecturing about antisemitism can definitely sit this one out unless they want to remove the two memorials we have to different SS divisions that have been up for decades.
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Jan 10, 2024 05:01
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Don't worry, the police somehow had the resources to hunt down and charge the man who vandalized the nazi monuments (by writing that they were Nazi monuments)
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Jan 10, 2024 05:05
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best part was the police said they were looking into it as a "hate-motivated incident"
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Jan 10, 2024 05:16
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COPE 27 posted:Its so loving cool that all the people weeping about the perils of racism with respect to Canadian Jews were demanding blood quantum limits for Chinese Canadian politicians like 6 months ago Also they're featured article today: https://twitter.com/nationalpost/status/1745116429442064636
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Jan 10, 2024 17:19
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The racist slur known as the N-word
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Jan 10, 2024 19:03
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The racist slur formerly known as the n-word
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Jan 10, 2024 19:22
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Dare I ask if the article was pro or anti n word
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Jan 10, 2024 22:05
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It was probably some flavour of "political correctness GONE MAD, you can't even read Mark Twain anymore!" And I mean, sometimes I feel like "political correctness" has gone too far up its own arse -- particularly when people with privilege start telling marginalized folks what words are best used to refer to them with -- but having a conversation about the history and context of various slurs is probably not something that needs to be covered in elementary school English class. EDIT: Read the article against my better judgement, got it right in one. "But these are classic books!" So? Go eat poo poo and find a new book to teach. I imagine you can find one that either doesn't use slurs or is written by a Black person which fulfils the same pedagogical aims instead of pretending English literature reached its zenith somewhere between 200 and 50 years ago in the hands of some dipshit white bloke. PT6A fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Jan 10, 2024 |
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Jan 10, 2024 22:09
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I sure hope these people never seen a Quintin Tarantino movie, or Mel Brooks films i guess.
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Jan 10, 2024 22:29
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Oh no my "Sherriff's a ni-" class is being cancelled! Woke has gone too far!
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Jan 10, 2024 22:34
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Burns posted:I sure hope these people never seen a Quintin Tarantino movie, or Mel Brooks films i guess. Do you think that a film like Pulp Fiction or Django Unchained or Blazing Saddles is one that children should view in school as part of a curriculum, with the explanation of context being handled solely by a teacher who may or may not be equipped to discuss it in a meaningful and correct manner, to an entire class at the same time? I don't think that would be appropriate, frankly, even though I love all three of those movies. On the other hand, I don't know how far the ban goes. If it's about not teaching those books, fine; if it's about removing them from libraries and so, that goes too far in my opinion.
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Jan 10, 2024 22:36
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Burns posted:I sure hope these people never seen a Quintin Tarantino movie, or Mel Brooks films i guess. ... you want to show R rated movies to kids? I am kind of confused at the point youre trying to make here.
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Jan 10, 2024 22:40
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Wait a goon has a poorly thought out argument that falls apart the second you take a look at it?
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Jan 10, 2024 22:41
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PT6A posted:On the other hand, I don't know how far the ban goes. If it's about not teaching those books, fine; if it's about removing them from libraries and so, that goes too far in my opinion. I take your point about the teacher maybe not having the right resources to handle the material, but I’d still think the opposite would be preferable? Like I’d think introducing this kind of material, if it’s going to be covered at all, with context and with control over the audience so it’s geared to the appropriate age and so students know they have someone they can talk to if it makes them uncomfortable - isn’t that better than a student being blindsided picking it up off the library shelf?
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Jan 10, 2024 22:45
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Furnaceface posted:... you want to show R rated movies to kids? I am kind of confused at the point youre trying to make here. I watched titanic in 10th grade and they didn't even fast forward past the tiddy scene! Now I'm a degenerate pervert!
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Jan 10, 2024 22:49
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ZShakespeare posted:I watched titanic in 10th grade and they didn't even fast forward past the tiddy scene! Now I'm a degenerate pervert! Well yes, you post in CSPAM
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Jan 10, 2024 22:51
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Furnaceface posted:... you want to show R rated movies to kids? I am kind of confused at the point youre trying to make here. Yeah, I mean obviously I'm not saying that any media containing the n-word needs banning, but maybe we should actually be sensitive about how that word is used around children. I could also argue that a high school English class could have a unit discussing authorial intent in the depiction of things like slurs, racism, bigotry and violence and how it's different from the author necessarily endorsing those things, but that's a minefield to be sure.
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Jan 10, 2024 22:57
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kaom posted:I take your point about the teacher maybe not having the right resources to handle the material, but I’d still think the opposite would be preferable? Like I’d think introducing this kind of material, if it’s going to be covered at all, with context and with control over the audience so it’s geared to the appropriate age and so students know they have someone they can talk to if it makes them uncomfortable - isn’t that better than a student being blindsided picking it up off the library shelf? Well, yes and no. I see your point, but I'd also say that dealing with the issue properly in the context of teaching an entire class is much different from handling it one-on-one. I'd also say that Black people aren't stupid: a Black student who reads one of those books, knows what racism is, and knows what that word means. That it exists in a book is different than it existing in a book which is used as a mandatory text.
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Jan 10, 2024 23:03
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You couldn't make Blazing Saddles today...Because Mel Brooks is 97 and absolutely should not be doing multi day shoots out in the middle of the California desert. Seriously, are you trying to kill the man? Seriously though, I think the other thing this decision addresses that isn't being discussed is how all of the main works taught in high school English classes that deal with themes of racism and slavery were written by white people. I think if this ban forces English classes to teach the works of black authors instead it would definitely be a step in the right direction...
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Jan 10, 2024 23:26
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I was trying to remember the situation of the teacher who recommended a Dick Gregory book with a certain title that lead to said teacher's removal but that happened at a US college and not a high school as I misremembered it.
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Jan 10, 2024 23:30
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KingKalamari posted:You couldn't make Blazing Saddles today...Because Mel Brooks is 97 and absolutely should not be doing multi day shoots out in the middle of the California desert. Seriously, are you trying to kill the man? Yeah, I actually did have to read through both Underground to Canada and To Kill a Mockingbird when I was in school. I feel even now that reading them was a net positive overall (my knowledge of the Underground Railroad and Jim Crow-era US was pretty much zilch before reading them), but I also understand the idea that teaching books by black authors that cover the same territory would likely be more authentic. Plus, there's the benefit of expanding the number of authors students could be familiar with.
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Jan 10, 2024 23:37
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PT6A posted:It was probably some flavour of "political correctness GONE MAD, you can't even read Mark Twain anymore!" All I'm going to say is my Grade 6 teacher was really eager to read the N-word parts out loud in class when we were reading about the Underground Railroad.
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Jan 10, 2024 23:58
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Furnaceface posted:... you want to show R rated movies to kids? I am kind of confused at the point youre trying to make here. "You let him watch DIE HARD!?!" "Yeah, it's a christmas classic!"
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Jan 11, 2024 00:02
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HackensackBackpack posted:All I'm going to say is my Grade 6 teacher was really eager to read the N-word parts out loud in class when we were reading about the Underground Railroad. I’m imagining them drawing it out. Over pronouncing every syllable.
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Jan 11, 2024 00:19
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At the end of the day, we enjoy policing language because it's easier and less messy than addressing the sentiments behind the language. The PC bloke who gets off using the n-word in a "legitimate" context is probably a far bigger threat than the white guy who sings along to 2Pac without self-censoring. And I think anyone who has been the target of slurs or discrimination can agree: for better and worse, we know what you're thinking, regardless of the words you choose.
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Jan 11, 2024 00:27
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