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A googol of forms? Surely she has at least a Goggolplex!
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habeasdorkus posted:Or every time a world ends, which could be pretty frequently in her 1/7th of the universe. The End of the World Party could actually be the thing that ends the world. As the party spreads, more and more people get gogged until everyone is.
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Gog Agog as a von Neumann machine and the End of World Party ending as grey goo.
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nimby posted:The End of the World Party could actually be the thing that ends the world. As the party spreads, more and more people get gogged until everyone is. Hahaha yeah Jaggs comes boiling out of that black sun, Gog obliterates him and his Jaggahog too, and now we're onto the real final boss: Gog-Agog, Queen of Worms, Ruler of 555,555 Universes, and bearer of the word Gog.
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Jan 9, 2024 14:44
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The Jaggahog, most powerful weapon in the universe, second only to Gog
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Jaggagog-Agog.
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Turns out all of the Demiurges know about the loops, it's kind of embarassing Allison tool this long to get it.
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YaketySass posted:Turns out all of the Demiurges know about the loops, it's kind of embarassing Allison tool this long to get it. It's absolutely vital to every loop that the heir be dumb as hell
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Jan 9, 2024 17:37
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"not stupid enough" sighs Zoss, and winds the wheel back again.
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Zoss started out looking for heirs with a strong focus on the FURIOUS part. This has led to an endless string of defeats of furious heirs versus Jagganoth the unbeatable. In the current cycle he's nearing the end of the list that emphasises the DUMBASS half.
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Turning the big wheel that says DUMBASS on it and constantly looking back at the worm audience for approval like a contestant on the price is right.
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Not really sure which headcanon this helps, but iirc it's stated that Gog smells through all her many noses simultaneously. I don't know if that means each gog has its own full consciousness but she's at least feeling the collected sensory experiences of all gogs at all times, which definitely sounds maddening.Joe Slowboat posted:It was not ‘an equal person’ it was ‘admit you need me’ at the worst possible time. It was literally the petty bullshit of ‘before I help save the universe I need to be given special respect.’ Mottom couldn't do it, because Mottom sucked, and now she's dead and Gog is throwing parties 
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nimby posted:The End of the World Party could actually be the thing that ends the world. As the party spreads, more and more people get gogged until everyone is. End of Evangelion but with worms instead of Tang.
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dromal phrenia posted:Not really sure which headcanon this helps, but iirc it's stated that Gog smells through all her many noses simultaneously. I don't know if that means each gog has its own full consciousness but she's at least feeling the collected sensory experiences of all gogs at all times, which definitely sounds maddening. There is no chance that Gog was ever sane, her very existence is a cosmic cruel joke.
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Here she comes now!
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IMJack posted:End of Evangelion ... Tang. Trying to explain Evangelion safely to a small child. "No, that's just raspberry cordial..." "Um, Shinji is just sad he spilt his vanilla milkshake..."
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Benagain posted:The Jaggahog, most powerful worm in the universe, second only to Gog
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dromal phrenia posted:They were in a dire situation and absolutely did need her, and it should have been simple to admit it. So far Gog is the only one to completely no-sell a Jagganoth deathbeam, so yeah, Mottom was just being an rear end in a top hat.
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vaguely reminds me of another no-sell
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Maduo posted:If Gog really does have a google amount of forms like was speculated she probably has enough presence on The Wheel to feel it getting rewound over and over like a worn out cassette. Gog-Agog, the worn out record, Gog-Agog the copy of a copy of a video tape, Gog-Agog the bit rotted hard drive, Gog-Agog the worm-eaten book....
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Mottom called a jerk a jerk, I’m not saying it was tactically sound but calling it Gog asking for anything but ego stroking is ridiculous. She and Incubus both have the same pathological desire for respect from a council of mad gods who hate each other and themselves. Mottom respected literally nobody on that council except Jagganoth, whom she feared like death and wanted to see dead.
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given that Gog had firmly established well before that point that she loathed the other demiurges and viewed Jagganoth as everyone else's problem, I see no reason to expect she was really holding out for a "thanks Gog-Agog good job!" from the people she respects least in the Universe and would have leapt to their defense if she'd gotten it, rather than taking the opportunity to twist the knife and let them keep begging for their lives in vain. The failure of the demiurge friendship fusion wasn't that the cranky old lady was too sassy to keep it together, it's that they're all fundamentally incapable of giving a poo poo about other people or working towards a common good. They were willing to accept a stalemate for as long as open conflict would risk more than they stood to gain and were able to band together on a temporary contingent basis when their lives depended on it, but when their mortal enemies' lives depend on it a teensy bit more than their own, well
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The ultimate failure of the demiurge team was inevitable. But in that one far-off timeline where nobody was mean and in fact they earnestly asked Gog for help, I'd like to think that she actually would have done so. For the novelty if nothing else. Maybe they might have even won!
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:given that Gog had firmly established well before that point that she loathed the other demiurges and viewed Jagganoth as everyone else's problem, I see no reason to expect she was really holding out for a "thanks Gog-Agog good job!" from the people she respects least in the Universe and would have leapt to their defense if she'd gotten it, rather than taking the opportunity to twist the knife and let them keep begging for their lives in vain. The failure of the demiurge friendship fusion wasn't that the cranky old lady was too sassy to keep it together, it's that they're all fundamentally incapable of giving a poo poo about other people or working towards a common good. They were willing to accept a stalemate for as long as open conflict would risk more than they stood to gain and were able to band together on a temporary contingent basis when their lives depended on it, but when their mortal enemies' lives depend on it a teensy bit more than their own, well Yeah I’ll second this, there was no way that happened without someone backstabbing the rest, and Gog’s the one who never had to develop a sense of self-preservation.
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Wild speculation, but if Gog really is aware of the cycles maybe she's not really bothered by them because as a hivemind it's all just continuity for her. Existing as an unending mass of worms in a cyclic or an infinite universe is basically the same.
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That could be the case - her last words before ditching everyone to Jaggs are "I'll be fine." Could also just mean she welcomes death, though.
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it's all Content
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nimby posted:Wild speculation, but if Gog really is aware of the cycles maybe she's not really bothered by them because as a hivemind it's all just continuity for her. Existing as an unending mass of worms in a cyclic or an infinite universe is basically the same.
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I took her "I'll be fine" as "Jagganoth can't really do poo poo to me."
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habeasdorkus posted:I took her "I'll be fine" as "Jagganoth can't really do poo poo to me." But he can, and must. Either he or the heir defeats her in every other loop.
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Yeah Gog is just wrong about that one, because she’s a demiurge and they’re defined by being wrong in some important way.
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I have to wonder what the key even does for Gog. Her version of defeat might just be spitting her key at the heir for yucks and going about her regular bullshit unimpeded
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Car Hater posted:I have to wonder what the key even does for Gog. Her version of defeat might just be spitting her key at the heir for yucks and going about her regular bullshit unimpeded She needs it to travel between worlds; she likely also needs it to maintain a single mass across worlds. Gog Agog does not meaningfully exist without the key.
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I wonder if Gog's weakness is that the kind of person who would take the worm willingly would be the kind of person who would feel out of control of their destiny and be easily absorbed into the mass. Or be a furious dumbass who is incredibly in control of their destiny.
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Gog is both a mass and a very singular individual. There's no-one like Gog.
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I think it’s useful to keep in mind that the demiurges, when the war happened, were broadly speaking not capable of riding the lightning without a key, because the kind of person who got and kept power in the Concordance wasn’t the kind of insane mystic who would develop that. Jagganoth might be able to now, because unlike the rest he’s spent a few thousand years pumping metaphysical iron to try to achieve his insane ambition, but also he had his keys the entire time, and I don’t know that he has a contingency plan for “I completely lose.” Similarly, these seven were the ones best positioned to survive universal war and come out on top - which, the comic has made clear, has more to do with pissedness and cheating and willingness to put up with each other just enough to make the alliance work. So I would be interested in what Gog was before the key, but she needs the key the same way as the rest, or she wouldn’t be where and who she is.
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Gog-Agog was a world-spanning worm-based gestalt organism before a demiurge came to her planet and got ate. I like the idea that the interdimensional travel abilities of a Key of Kings are how she sustains a hive mind that spans the boundaries between universes.
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I wonder what it's like to be Abaddon reading this thread. Is he ever like "that's a neat idea, I should have gone with that" or "blocked. blocked. blocked. none of you are free of lovely concepts"
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I'm sure most of us are infuriatingly stupid
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I know I've been wrong repeatedly in thinking that various demiurges don't know something, which is why I could be wrong about what Gog meant by saying she'd be fine. They're still fallible, but generally if they say something is true it ends up being true.
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