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The episode where Geordi's mother's ship goes missing he mentions that her ship got in to and out of so many incredible situations. Also many episodes feature ships that ran in to a problem and weren't quite fast enough at working things out.
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I suspect most starships don't get up to the same density of bullshit as the Enterprise or even the Cerritos if they're not engaging in exploratory-style missions -- which obviously covers the Enterprise, and the Cerritos isn't far behind. thotsky posted:The colonies are likewise often ideologically divergent. In fact, trying out a new way of life is directly stated in the show as a common primary motivation for establishing a new colony. We can assume the same rule holds true for these. It's not that crazy; the Norwegian Child Protective System have repeatedly been criticized by the European Court of Human Rights for centering children over the rights of their parents. While the show features a human society that has made a ton of progress, the role of parens, as well as parenting style, appears to be typical of the 90's. What I wonder is if the experience of other cultures is similar.
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thotsky posted:Where is that stated? The Enterprise probably gets some choice assignments by virtue of being the flagship, but I think that outside of the season finales (where the narrative requires The Enterprise to be involved in Big Events) the show is pretty representative for all Starfleet ships with comparable missions. I don't know how to find it, but I swear there was a TNG episode where a researcher visits the -D and mentions something about the Enterprise encountering temporal anomalies at many times the fleet average. Also, Sisko's dad is a bit nutty himself, with his insistence on not using any perfectly replicated ingredients.
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Nessus posted:I suspect most starships don't get up to the same density of bullshit as the Enterprise or even the Cerritos if they're not engaging in exploratory-style missions -- which obviously covers the Enterprise, and the Cerritos isn't far behind. I mean, the Cerritos is meant to be an example of a ship that gets the short end of the stick and they still see plenty of action.
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A.o.D. posted:Also, Sisko's dad is a bit nutty himself, with his insistence on not using any perfectly replicated ingredients. Replicator adoption is not portrayed as being universal on earth. It's probably no more nutty than brewing yourself a pour-over or growing your own tomatoes.
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thotsky posted:Replicator adoption is not portrayed as being universal on earth. It's probably no more nutty than brewing yourself a pour-over or growing your own tomatoes. Would you say it's more or less nutty than starting a new post to respond to an individual quote?
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Nessus posted:I suspect the Klingon government is very clear that they are telling everyone to stop shooting, and that anyone who KEEPS shooting will face Klingon justice if captured, but that realistically, some handful of jackoffs will probably ignore the order or claim to have 'not received it due to a targ on the console.' The Feds are probably used to it V-Men posted:That one Klingon officer was ready to attack the Enterprise over space rust. And that was clearly at peacetime. Ships and troops are gonna have general orders, standing orders, and rules of engagement. All it takes is the perception you might be attacked to trigger things.
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Taear posted:Uh I dunno what you mean sorry SNW has an episode with extended flashbacks to a MASH-style military hospital in the First Klingon War.
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thotsky posted:Where is that stated? The Enterprise probably gets some choice assignments by virtue of being the flagship, but I think that outside of the season finales (where the narrative requires The Enterprise to be involved in Big Events) the show is pretty representative for all Starfleet ships with comparable missions. In thotsky posted:I mean, the Cerritos is meant to be an example of a ship that gets the short end of the stick and they still see plenty of action. That might have been what it started as, but by... third season? the episode with the memory-fantasy monsters (where a fake Leah Brahms tries to tempt Rutherford, among other things) the crew from the other California-class on the scene tells the Cerritos characters that the Cerritos is truly exceptional among the California-class in the amount of adventure it gets up to.
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Jan 12, 2024 02:08
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:In Well, they were mysteriously moved incredibly distances at faster than warp speed at least three times, one time leaving our galaxy, another time our reality. That doesn't directly relate to lethality though.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:That might have been what it started as, but by... third season? the episode with the memory-fantasy monsters (where a fake Leah Brahms tries to tempt Rutherford, among other things) the crew from the other California-class on the scene tells the Cerritos characters that the Cerritos is truly exceptional among the California-class in the amount of adventure it gets up to. Yeah, it's basically implied that among the crews of the California-class ships, the Cerritos's name and reputation command the same level of awe and reverence that the Enterprise does for the rest of Starfleet.
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W.T. Fits posted:Yeah, it's basically implied that among the crews of the California-class ships, the Cerritos's name and reputation command the same level of awe and reverence that the Enterprise does for the rest of Starfleet. It's more than implied, the other crew straight up says 'the Cerritos is the Enterprise of support ships'.
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The Cerritos might very well be the "luckiest" California class, or second-contact ship out there, but the central conceit remains that they're playing second fiddle to other ships in the fleet. I don't really understand why one would even entertain the idea that Starfleet is not a horror show. How many ships were lost at Wolf 359? How many have been lost in some nebula, or found adrift with all crew dead? I can't quite bring myself to consider any nuTrek canon, but Mariner is not upset with The Enterprise specifically for the death of her Bajoran friend; it's described as an issue with life in Starfleet.
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thotsky posted:I don't really understand why one would even entertain the idea that Starfleet is not a horror show. How many ships were lost at Wolf 359? How many have been lost in some nebula, or found adrift with all crew dead? 40 ships, 11,000 dead. A tiny number!
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I can't imagine how different humans dealing with trauma would be if we lived in utopian post-scarcity. I would only assume that grief counseling can hit warp speed as well
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We see just as many colonies wiped out - the Crystalline Entity alone was just roaming space wiping out entire worlds on a regular basis. And how many times did Earth itself come within a hair's breadth of being annihilated? All things being equal, I'd feel safer on a starship that can at least try and get away from the latest doomsday machine when it goes on a rampage.
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MikeJF posted:It's more than implied, the other crew straight up says 'the Cerritos is the Enterprise of support ships'. It's been awhile since I watched the episode, and I couldn't remember if it was directly stated or only implied.
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Angry Salami posted:All things being equal, I'd feel safer on a starship that can at least try and get away from the latest doomsday machine when it goes on a rampage. It's not really presented as such, but if you think about it, any planet in a society that exists with the technology and energy that the Federation has access to has a 100% chance of eventually being destroyed by that tech. Either from external or internal conflict. It's just too big and too easy a target. You've got FTL on even tiny ships. Lob a fuckin rock at a planet at high impulse, job done.
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ashpanash posted:It's not really presented as such, but if you think about it, any planet in a society that exists with the technology and energy that the Federation has access to has a 100% chance of eventually being destroyed by that tech. Either from external or internal conflict. It's just too big and too easy a target. You've got FTL on even tiny ships. Lob a fuckin rock at a planet at high impulse, job done. Star Trek Picard retconned planetary shields into the 24th century setting (it's implied in season one that they've been around for ages and are common on even smaller planets)
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MikeJF posted:Star Trek Picard retconned planetary shields into the 24th century setting (it's implied in season one that they've been around for ages and are common on even smaller planets) It's Star Trek. Shields fail, that's a given.
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ashpanash posted:It's not really presented as such, but if you think about it, any planet in a society that exists with the technology and energy that the Federation has access to has a 100% chance of eventually being destroyed by that tech. Either from external or internal conflict. It's just too big and too easy a target. You've got FTL on even tiny ships. Lob a fuckin rock at a planet at high impulse, job done. This is why the Culture mostly lives on Orbitals instead.
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Soul Dentist posted:I can't imagine how different humans dealing with trauma would be if we lived in utopian post-scarcity. I would only assume that grief counseling can hit warp speed as well I wonder if hanging out with holodeck re-creations of your dead loved ones would be a common coping mechanism or a guaranteed ticket to crazytown.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:This is why the Culture mostly lives on Orbitals instead. Not really, they could secure a planet as easily as they can secure an orbital. They don't live on planets because it's gauche to mess up a natural planetary environment with your civilisation when you could just build your own. Also orbitals are bigger and it's easy to make a lot more than there are habitable planets. ashpanash posted:It's Star Trek. Shields fail, that's a given. True, but it'll protect you against basic lobbed ships and asteroids. (Also Earth's planetary shield (it seemed like the shields of the planet and New Spacedock were interlinked?) was incredibly resilient in Picard, it held up to constant firepower from 400 federation ships for a few hours. Presumably it can draw on pretty massive resources.) MikeJF fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Jan 12, 2024 |
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MikeJF posted:Star Trek Picard retconned planetary shields into the 24th century setting (it's implied in season one that they've been around for ages and are common on even smaller planets) I still don't think it's a retcon. There are enough references to shields being used on continents or hemispheres in TOS that the idea they could be expanded to the whole planet by the 24th century is a natural progression of the technology.
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MikeJF posted:True, but it'll protect you against basic lobbed ships and asteroids. I'm not saying it's going to happen this time or the next time or the next hundred thousand times, but it's eventually going to happen. The probability of the planet eventually being destroyed by the technology or the state of the society becomes 100%. Someone will eventually come along and infect your young adults with the woke borg mind virus and blow your asses up, and the plucky nonagenarian, semi-synthetic hero won't get there in time or have a backup 20-year-old starship fully rebuilt, loaded with torpedos, and functional with a crew of 6 other old people on board. Hell, maybe it won't be by war or greed or power, directly. Maybe a space god will misplace it or have a malicious thought and scour the surface of the world. Maybe a neighboring spacefaring civilization will activate a doomsday device that devours your world and everything within a 1000-light-year radius. Relativistic rocks are uncreative, but just the easiest.
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The probability of any civilisation surviving in any setting goes to zero in a long enough timeframe.
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I am rewatching Picard season 3 with a friend and goddamn is that a badly written show
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Years of weaponized nostalgia have vaccinated me against legacy sequels and I am extremely glad that I had no urge to watch Picard
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Eason the Fifth posted:Years of weaponized nostalgia have vaccinated me against legacy sequels and I am extremely glad that I had no urge to watch Picard I don't need to tell you this but you've made the right choice, or come to the right set of realizations.
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FuturePastNow posted:I am rewatching Picard season 3 with a friend and goddamn is that a badly written show I think it's an improvement over season 2, but that's saying VERY little.
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Powered Descent posted:I think it's an improvement over season 2, but that's saying VERY little. VERY little indeed. -1,000,000 is technically less negative than -1,000,001, but the order of magnitude is the same and it's still negative.
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thotsky posted:I don't really understand why one would even entertain the idea that Starfleet is not a horror show. How many ships were lost at Wolf 359? How many have been lost in some nebula, or found adrift with all crew dead?  It's a fair point. It would certainly shape people who are on the exploratory edge of the Federation. But I suspect that is just the glamorous part of Starfleet. There are doubtless a bunch of guys just tooling around on patrol, even if they may simultaneously be doing some science poo poo while cruising through Spinward Andorian Space.
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Eason the Fifth posted:Years of weaponized nostalgia have vaccinated me against legacy sequels and I am extremely glad that I had no urge to watch Picard It's literally 10 hours of redressing one dude's list of grievances with the past 30 years of Star Trek. A guy picking up his toys and cradling them and crying because he didn't like the sloppy way the last guy who played with them 20 years ago just left them out all over the floor for people to step on and break. A show made by a YouTuber with action figures stapled to his wall who's cheesed off that the franchise hasn't sufficiently jacked off the poo poo from his childhood and made it look and sound and feel exactly like it did when he was a kid. Weaponized Nostalgia is the perfect descriptor for Picard Season 3. Unwatchable Dogshit is the descriptor for Season 2, and "Eh, at least they sort of tried in comparison" sums up Season 1.
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nine-gear crow posted:It's literally 10 hours of redressing one dude's list of grievances with the past 30 years of Star Trek. A guy picking up his toys and cradling them and crying because he didn't like the sloppy way the last guy who played with them 20 years ago just left them out all over the floor for people to step on and break. A show made by a YouTuber with action figures stapled to his wall who's cheesed off that the franchise hasn't sufficiently jacked off the poo poo from his childhood and made it look and sound and feel exactly like it did when he was a kid. You read that review of Twovix too, huh? quote:As imagined by Treacle, the Voyager museum is a lifeless experience. It is all velvet ropes and information panels, exhibits, and replicas. Everything has its place. It recalls the curative fandom that defined so much of the third season of Picard, most obviously in episodes like “The Bounty.” Everything is sealed in plastic in mint condition, restored like the bridge of the Enterprise in “Vox.” To its credit, Lower Decks has little patience for this approach. Toys are meant to be played with.
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MikeJF posted:You read that review of Twovix too, huh? Hah. I did not, but that's a good take on the diametric opposite creative outlooks of Terry Matalas and Mike McMahan. I swear, the second I found out that Terry Matalas was an amateur DeLorean restoration guru, everything about Picard Season 3 and why it's so offputting on subcutaneous level just clicked into place for me. TNG was his DeLorean, and Season 3 was his restoration job on it because he was a big fan of Back to the Future.
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I was hit hard by the weaponized nostalgia. The first 8 episodes are a fun romp and I loved Todd Stashwick as Shaw.
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Jimbone Tallshanks posted:I was hit hard by the weaponized nostalgia. The first 8 episodes are a fun romp and I loved Todd Stashwick as Shaw. "Come on Terry, you can stick the landing on this one, just don't bring the Borg back again... don't bring the Borg back again... don't bring the Borg ba--poo poo."
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