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shame on an IGA posted:it's even funnier that excluding 9/11 would've only dropped the figure from 99.8% to 99.5%, just a completely unnecessary own goal The intent was probably to hammer out something that sounded like it was impressive while also scaring John Q. Public into submission in 5 minutes or less.
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TSA goon just straight up catcalled 2 of the FA’s I walked out with. It was creepy and lame as poo poo.
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Rolo posted:TSA goon just straight up catcalled 2 of the FA’s I walked out with. It was creepy and lame as poo poo. check your PM (unrelated to the TSA mouthbreathers)
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Rolo posted:TSA goon just straight up catcalled 2 of the FA’s I walked out with. It was creepy and lame as poo poo. Correct response is "Don't you have grandmas to fondle?"
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Animal posted:check your PM (unrelated to the TSA mouthbreathers) Heyyy nice I’ll add you when I get done today
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1W1ml-uRT0 What DPE in their right mind signed her off for a private or what cereal box did she get her ticket off the back of? Not only was she a lovely pilot, but she recorded and posted it to the interwebs for everyone to see.
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i watch a fair amount of aviation content on youtube so the algorithm is always trying to show me more, and at a glance it seems like there are a lot of people trying to be "learning to fly after doing my hair and putting on full makeup" influencer-types
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CBJSprague24 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1W1ml-uRT0 Didn’t she die? edit, turns out if I pressed play that video covers it very clearly lol Edit 2- holy poo poo I can’t believe she posted that. Can’t believe I share the skies with people like this, holy gently caress. Bob A Feet fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Jan 12, 2024 |
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Jan 12, 2024 03:28
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Bob A Feet posted:Didn’t she die? Yeah, that video is very much "well the fact that she's dead makes a lot of sense, actually". She had Foreflight on two devices, a Garmin 430, and a more advanced GPS of some sort, in VFR conditions, on a 40 mile XC. You could probably SEE Knoxville not long into the flight 
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As someone going through my first few instructed flights (Just practiced power on stalls), its crazy to me hwo people can be so careless with flying. Like I am overly anal no doubt, but its just mind boggling to me you can be that bad and so carefree about it.
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Kwolok posted:As someone going through my first few instructed flights (Just practiced power on stalls), its crazy to me hwo people can be so careless with flying. Like I am overly anal no doubt, but its just mind boggling to me you can be that bad and so carefree about it. The problem is that she didn't know what she didn't know. Her instructors really did fail. From watching her talk in her videos I get a feeling that she genuinely wanted to do well. She even fired one of the CFI's for being too lax on her and too helpful instead of teaching her to be a good instrument pilot.
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Kwolok posted:As someone going through my first few instructed flights (Just practiced power on stalls), its crazy to me hwo people can be so careless with flying. Like I am overly anal no doubt, but its just mind boggling to me you can be that bad and so carefree about it. By the time I touched an airplane for real for the first time, I had been reading fighter pilot memoirs and I Learned About Flying From That columns for years. I had family members that were both civilian and former military pilots. I had a healthy respect for both the machine and the environment in which it operates. This has only become more true with time and further experiences. Unfortunately, not everybody entering aviation has these advantages, and a lot of them think an airplane is a Toyota with wings and that you just have to memorize some laws so you don’t get in trouble.
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Animal posted:She even fired one of the CFI's for being too lax on her and too helpful instead of teaching her to be a good instrument pilot. I got the impression from earlier coverage of her accident that this was only after commenters on her videos called out that her instructor was basically doing everything for her and this is a Bad Thing™️.
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Animal posted:The problem is that she didn't know what she didn't know. Her instructors really did fail. From watching her talk in her videos I get a feeling that she genuinely wanted to do well. She even fired one of the CFI's for being too lax on her and too helpful instead of teaching her to be a good instrument pilot. Man I got the absolute opposite from watching that. I don't disagree at all that her instructors categorically failed her, and yes it is hard to not know what you don't know, but it's not like she was insulated from the aviation community, she was vlogging her experience, I'm sure she was aware of her mistakes (and she often commented on them as though they were more funny than terrifying). I agree that her instructors are the first line of defense and they should all be looked at under a microscope after this, but I can't help but feel like she did not have the right attitude or attention for this field.
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Getting lost while you're still in sight of the departure airport is a hell of a thing. Absolutely zero sense of situational awareness. Just turn to 092 and hold it there for 20 minutes! That's your flight! You don't need two GPS units and an iPad and your cell phone to do this!! I agree that this is mostly about her instructors (and her DPE! Jesus, I hope that guy gets the third degree) failing horribly in their jobs, but I don't understand how after 400 hours she didn't even accidentally pick up concepts like "if I need to fly east, that compass in the windscreen should have the E at the top." Perhaps some people are really just that dumb. The comments on the YouTube video say that she also posted vlogs of her driving around town, and she regularly blew through stop signs and nearly hit other cars and pedestrians. What was her goal for flying I wonder? It sure doesn't seem like she was all that interested in aviation as a skill. Just wanted to become an influencer and decided that this was the way? Flying as a means to a completely unrelated end? Sad that she died, and tragic that she took a passenger with her. But I'm reminded of a safety seminar I took at the flight school once. The presenter asked: "How many of you have known a pilot who was involved in some sort of flying accident or incident?" About a dozen people, maybe a quarter of the room, put up their hands. The presenter continued: "When you heard that there had been an accident, and you heard who it was, how many of you were surprised to hear it was *that* guy?" One or two hands tentatively wavered up and down. The other 10 stayed down. E: the NTSB says in the wreckage of her fatal flight they found "two intact digital video recording devices" (GoPros). I dread what those videos are going to show. Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Jan 12, 2024 |
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Sagebrush posted:I dread what those videos are going to show. Tertiary minimums
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Sagebrush posted:Getting lost while you're still in sight of the departure airport is a hell of a thing. Absolutely zero sense of situational awareness. Just turn to 092 and hold it there for 20 minutes! That's your flight! You don't need two GPS units and an iPad and your cell phone to do this!! Yep. Part of ppl requirements is a xc flight navigating by pilotage and dead reckoning - that is, identify landmarks, time the segments between them, without the aid of gps or vor. Which isn't needed when the airport is like... right over there
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yellowD posted:Yep. Part of ppl requirements is a xc flight navigating by pilotage and dead reckoning - that is, identify landmarks, time the segments between them, without the aid of gps or vor. Which isn't needed when the airport is like... right over there And even if her compass exploded right after takeoff, the airport is right next to the interstate. All she needed to do was follow it.
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I enjoyed when her non-pilot father wanted to start loving around with the circuit breakers.
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yellowD posted:Yep. Part of ppl requirements is a xc flight navigating by pilotage and dead reckoning - that is, identify landmarks, time the segments between them, without the aid of gps or vor. Which isn't needed when the airport is like... right over there One of my former instructors and later colleagues talked about the Children of the Magenta Line. She would cover or turn the 430 off at times during training so it didn't become a crutch. My review flight for instrument, which was really a "get a feel for the DPE because he's kind of a dickhead", involved him turning the 430 to a screen that didn't depict any navigation information to simulate that it wasn't working.
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One thing I've come to grips with is that, for younger students, it might be their first time navigating -- period, in any context -- without active GPS assistance. It's not just relying too much on GPS in planes, it's being fundamentally weak at the skill of knowing where you are, or using a map that doesn't indicate exactly where you are at any given time. It's our job to recognize that and bridge the gap appropriately, not just blame the shiny GPS for being too easy.
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My hot take that I know nobody cares about but I gotta post it: Always hated the “children of the magenta” thing. When I was an instructor the boomer students were even worse at figuring out how to navigate with older tech and literally the only ones who complained when I turned screens off. If your student cannot understand old school navigation, it isn’t because they’re children, it’s because you aren’t teaching it to them.
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Rolo posted:My hot take that I know nobody cares about but I gotta post it: "Children" is figurative. And in the famous AA video of Capt. Vandgerburgh's seminar where the phrase originated (or at least caught on), he makes the point multiple times that it's the training department's fault, and "we" (the training department) have failed all those pilots.
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yeah a year or two ago i had a high schooler ask me "what did people do before they had google maps?" i said "they used maps" "no, before there was Maps." "they used paper...maps."
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Sagebrush posted:yeah a year or two ago i had a high schooler ask me "what did people do before they had google maps?" We dialed up into the internet, opened a website with driving instructions, then we printed them.
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Rolo posted:If your student cannot understand old school navigation, it isn’t because they’re children, it’s because you aren’t teaching it to them. Oh yeah, just to be clear, that's exactly my take on it. But I think it's possible we have a tendency to overlook just how much we have to teach in some cases, which makes us all the more responsible to do it properly. For example, if you have a student who remembers navigating driving-wise with paper maps, you need to teach them how to use a VFR chart. If you have a student who has never used a paper map for anything, then you need to teach them the basic skills of orienting oneself with a paper map, and then teach them how to use a VFR chart. If you have a student who lacks even basic directional awareness (like, where is "West"), then you need to teach them that, then how to use a paper map, then how to use a VFR chart. What I'm saying is that you can't assume that students, in this case but also more generally, have the background knowledge you simply assume everyone has. It's not to condescend to them or blame them, it's just part of being a good instructor. If you don't know the difference between fuel or oil, or that you shouldn't sniff gasoline, we'll get you across the line, but it's important we fill in those gaps along the way. Yes, those are all examples I've dealt with personally. I don't assume a goddamn thing any more.
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PT6A posted:Oh yeah, just to be clear, that's exactly my take on it. Oh for sure, I know what you mean and I wasn’t talking about “you” specifically. vessbot posted:"Children" is figurative. And in the famous AA video of Capt. Vandgerburgh's seminar where the phrase originated (or at least caught on), he makes the point multiple times that it's the training department's fault, and "we" (the training department) have failed all those pilots. That helps to read. For those that don’t see my posting often enough, I get triggered when old pilots complain about young pilots.
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Rolo posted:I get triggered when pilots Arson Daily fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Jan 13, 2024 |
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Pilots are the worst.
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PT6A posted:or that you shouldn't sniff gasoline, speak for yourself! 
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Animal posted:We dialed up into the internet, opened a website with driving instructions, then we printed them. The still wilder one to me is phoning up AAA and ordering a triptik for your route.
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Sagebrush posted:E: the NTSB says in the wreckage of her fatal flight they found "two intact digital video recording devices" (GoPros). I dread what those videos are going to show. Yeah the NTSB must be in possession of one of the most horrifying videos of all time - it looks like they were in a steep dive for a fair amount of time, probably alert, confused, and terrified. Oof
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kathmandu posted:Yeah the NTSB must be in possession of one of the most horrifying videos of all time - it looks like they were in a steep dive for a fair amount of time, probably alert, confused, and terrified. Oof It isn’t likely that there will even be a transcript, right? GA reports are rarely large, detailed dockets. As for the content, that reminded me… There was an off broadway play from the late 90s called Charlie Victor Romeo which was fairly straight reenactments of several incidents and accidents. They did JAL123, the painted static ports crash and Yukla 27. The wild thing is how much worse those choices could’ve been even at the time (we gaan!). It being a “play” also kinda weirded me out for some reason, idkw because fundamentally it’s the same type of reenactment as a documentary. hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Jan 13, 2024 |
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Animal posted:Pilots are the worst.
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hobbesmaster posted:There was an off broadway play from the late 90s called Charlie Victor Romeo which was fairly reenactments of several incidents and accidents. They did JAL123, the painted static ports crash and Yukla 27.  The Aristocapts!
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It's always interesting to discuss how to bring up this subject with students. The bottom line is: if you gently caress up bad enough as a pilot, the consequence is you will die and you will take your passengers with you. There's really no two ways about that. And I've certainly dealt with students who need the message: you need to take this poo poo seriously, because if you don't, it will cost human lives. Stop loving around immediately or find another job/hobby. Yet I've also dealt with another sort of student, who is so focused on perfection as a result that they miss the forest for the trees, which is to say (to use an example of one of my students): if you handle a runway change at a busy controlled airport on your second solo perfectly, and then you have one bounce on landing which is safely corrected, and we discuss what you could do to prevent that next time.... you can't beat yourself up about it, and you need to know that I don't loving care and that ain't what keeps me awake at night. Worst case scenario, the absolute worst that's going to happen there, is that you have a really bad porpoise, gently caress up the recovery and total the plane and come out with some bruises. Obviously, I would not like that to happen. But if it does, it's not the end of the world. What scares me is the idea of one of my students, one who has passed a flight test, getting into a plane with their spouse and/or kids, and taking off into bad weather and going VFR into IMC, or not looking outside and having a midair, or getting confused by clearances and doing exactly the wrong thing in a busy airspace. I had a student recently on his third solo, which under our syllabus is the first flight the instructor is not in the plane at any time, and we de-briefed the flight and he said "I went around two times, I didn't feel good about the approaches." I said "sounds like you made at least two excellent choices, don't ever stop going around!" This student is not god's gift to aviation, by a long shot, but I don't worry about him.
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PT6A posted:you can't beat yourself up about it, and you need to know that I don't loving care and that ain't what keeps me awake at night. 
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