Diva Cupcake posted:

Who are the GMs who've been fired from their jobs after leaving the Patriots? That's who the GM will be.

Jon Robinson, I guess Caserio is still employed, I'm sure I'm missing 1-2 more.

Kull the Conqueror posted:

I feel like Jerod Mayo was only drafted like three years ago

Diva Cupcake posted:

Who are the GMs who've been fired from their jobs after leaving the Patriots? That's who the GM will be.

Jon Robinson, I guess Caserio is still employed, I'm sure I'm missing 1-2 more.

Nodoze posted:

No one in the building should get the benefit of the doubt for Bill overruling them, bring in someone from the outside.

Kull the Conqueror posted:

I feel like Jerod Mayo was only drafted like three years ago

Kull the Conqueror posted:

I feel like Jerod Mayo was only drafted like three years ago

davecrazy posted:

Comedy option. Mara brings Bill home as HC and makes Daboll the OC / assistant HC.

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However, the seams of Belichick's methods began to show in his final years with the Patriots. As SI's Albert Breer wrote Thursday, Belichick made a crucial error in judgment in 2019 as New England sought to draft a wide receiver.

"Before that draft, Patriots scouts were high on (South Carolina's) Deebo Samuel and (Ole Miss's) A.J. Brown. The two came to Foxborough together on a visit and had been traveling together all week," Breer wrote. "As such, they had a good, jovial ability to poke at each other and laugh together, and Belichick was leery that they weren’t taking the visit seriously enough."

That led Belichick to fixate on wide receiver N'Keal Harry of Arizona State against his scouts' recommendations, and the Patriots eventually took him 32nd overall.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:

MJeff posted:

Especially because I'm one million percent sure it's true.

sean10mm posted:

Belichick's brainworms involving the wide receiver position specifically have been consistently amazing, and I'll believe any story about him sucking at doing anything with it.

quote:

When Belichick began studying the 2011 draft, he saw great depth at the receiver position. Why go all-out for someone like [Julio] Jones when you can likely have a Jonathan Baldwin, who, as far as Belichick can see, is just as good if not better than Jones?

Nodoze posted:

It just makes no sense to can Bill and leave everyone else in place as if they were totally not also complicit in the way things were. Basically that is just saying "no, it was all Bill everything else will be fine" which is uhhhh optimistic to say the least

AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:

I think it makes a lot of sense. Continuity on the defensive side of the ball (and maybe offense too, if BOB stays) but now they can have someone else run the scouts and front office so they can hopefully draft better. The main issue has been Bill's bad decisions in the draft and FA, not his coaching. So they got rid of Bill the GM, which unfortunately means Bill the Coach is gone too.

Nodoze posted:

Why in the world would you want to keep continuity on literally the worst offense in the league. Yeah the talent leaves a lot to be desired that goes without saying, but BoB was not exactly doing anything that inspired any confidence going forward either

Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:

They are problem hoping that with better players and BoB able to actually fill out the staff he wants they will turn things around.

This rebuild all comes down to who they draft and acquire over the next two seasons.

Nodoze posted:

Why in the world would you want to keep continuity on literally the worst offense in the league. Yeah the talent leaves a lot to be desired that goes without saying, but BoB was not exactly doing anything that inspired any confidence going forward either

wandler20 posted:

https://x.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1745845845231124735?s=20

AndrewP posted:

I might be a little wary of hiring an SF guy - it's easier to build a premier roster when you have a QB making peanuts, and It's easier to have a QB making peanuts if you have Kyle Shanahan designing your plays. But they certainly haven't done a bad job, minus the Trey Lance whiff I guess.

AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:

They built the premier roster before they had the QB making peanuts. They went to the Super Bowl with Jimmy G on his second contract and had a premier team then, too. They have been remarkably good at drafting talent across the roster the past 6-8 years.

AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:

Because the issue is the talent. Some of your players, like Rhamondre, the TEs, some of the OL will be staying - you cant replace all your players. If the new GM can bring in some talent to help fix the OL and some WRs worth a drat outside of megastars Kendrick Bourne (RIP his knee) and Pop Douglas, the offense might start working. So either you start with some foundation there or you start from scratch, and in both cases you are working with a hand tied behind your back.

In other words: BOB has run successful offenses in the past and the expectation is that he can again; the majority of the players on the offensive roster have not run a successful offense, so you keep what works and bring in replacements for the rest. BOB helped develop Bad Man in Houston so I think the expectation is that he is thought of as a good coach to develop whichever QB they pick at the top of the draft, especially if he can, like was already mentioned by Impossibly Perfect Sphere, bring in his own offensive staff instead of being hamstrung by BB micromanaging him and forcing him to keep some of the losers that Patricia & Judge installed on offense.

Kalli posted:

All the TE's are free agents, lol. Should at least try to re-sign Hunter Henry

I went through the offensive roster in the East thread a few days ago. They have remarkably little you'd want to keep on the offensive side.

2/3rds a RB room is fine, 1 developing WR is solid, 2 more they're probably stuck with, another guy you'd be happy to have they should re-sign.

The OL is a good RT free agent they have to re-sign, a solid center and a developing rookie RG who was solid.... LT fell out hard with the team and LG has been injured and middling.

and finally Zappe is a backup, whatever they plan on in the draft, need to sign one of the vet guys out there to push Zappe / drafted QB.

Basically to be functional they need to address QB, LT, and find a WR1. To be better then that, they also need to address TE and add some capable WR depth.

AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:

They built the premier roster before they had the QB making peanuts. They went to the Super Bowl with Jimmy G on his second contract and had a premier team then, too. They have been remarkably good at drafting talent across the roster the past 6-8 years.

Nodoze posted:

I agree with most of it except for Zappe, he blows and needs to go too.

AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:

Because the issue is the talent. Some of your players, like Rhamondre, the TEs, some of the OL will be staying - you cant replace all your players. If the new GM can bring in some talent to help fix the OL and some WRs worth a drat outside of megastars Kendrick Bourne (RIP his knee) and Pop Douglas, the offense might start working. So either you start with some foundation there or you start from scratch, and in both cases you are working with a hand tied behind your back.

In other words: BOB has run successful offenses in the past and the expectation is that he can again; the majority of the players on the offensive roster have not run a successful offense, so you keep what works and bring in replacements for the rest. BOB helped develop Bad Man in Houston so I think the expectation is that he is thought of as a good coach to develop whichever QB they pick at the top of the draft, especially if he can, like was already mentioned by Impossibly Perfect Sphere, bring in his own offensive staff instead of being hamstrung by BB micromanaging him and forcing him to keep some of the losers that Patricia & Judge installed on offense.