Ukraine: The Aristoblyats

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Cugel the Clever: Apr 5, 2009; I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA

PurpleXVI posted:

https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1744638833625366532

I seem to recall a few countries have already done this. Is there really any reason not to except that a given country hopes that post-war, they might still be able to be friends with Russia and don't want a few billion dollars wedged into the gap of their diplomatic relations, prying them apart?

It's two things: a lot of Western elites made bank of Russian corruption, still desperately wanting it to return, and businesses fear the precedent set for other belligerents to seize their assets in the event of a conflict. I tend to think the elites in the former should be jailed for facilitating corruption and the business should be fearful about investing in revisionist belligerents, but my voice doesn't amount to much :shrug:

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 15:55

The Door Frame: Dec 5, 2011; I don't know man everytime I go to the gym here there are like two huge dudes with raging high and tights snorting Nitro-tech off of each other's rock hard abs.

When Russia said that all of the assets that businesses left in Russia belonged to Russia, I think they gave up their ability to decide what happens to their money that they left in other countries :v:

# ? Jan 9, 2024 14:59

Raerlynn: Oct 28, 2007; Sorry I'm late, I'm afraid I got lost on the path of life.

PurpleXVI posted:

https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1744638833625366532

I seem to recall a few countries have already done this. Is there really any reason not to except that a given country hopes that post-war, they might still be able to be friends with Russia and don't want a few billion dollars wedged into the gap of their diplomatic relations, prying them apart?

Is it a bit cynical of me to think in this hypothetical that hostilities cease, over all of this reconstruction with Russian assets was complete that Russia would do it all over again just out of spite?

# ? Jan 9, 2024 16:23

PurpleXVI: Oct 30, 2011; Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
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Raerlynn posted:

Is it a bit cynical of me to think in this hypothetical that hostilities cease, over all of this reconstruction with Russian assets was complete that Russia would do it all over again just out of spite?

I think it's less out of spite and more out of... I mean, Russia's current rulers are fascists, fascists cannot cling to power without an eternal war against an outside or inside enemy, someone to blame for everything they aren't fixing. They would restart the conflict(or more likely never really let it end. Barring some sort of massive change in Russia internally, I figure that even if Ukraine pushes Russia back to the 1991 borders, then despite any treaties signed, Russia would still try to fund "insurgent" activity, terrorism and the occasional cross-border skirmish) because the alternative would be suddenly having a lot less excuses for why things aren't good, and thus a potential opening for the people they're deceiving to realize that perhaps the current ruling caste is why things aren't good...

# ? Jan 9, 2024 17:05

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PurpleXVI posted:

I seem to recall a few countries have already done this. Is there really any reason not to except that a given country hopes that post-war, they might still be able to be friends with Russia and don't want a few billion dollars wedged into the gap of their diplomatic relations, prying them apart?

I thought that other countries had seized the gains on frozen assets (interest, etc), but I didn't know that anyone had done that with the underlying assets themselves.

One problem with doing that is that it removes an incentive to end the war: getting the frozen assets back.

# ? Jan 9, 2024 18:49

A.o.D.: Jan 15, 2006

Subjunctive posted:

I thought that other countries had seized the gains on frozen assets (interest, etc), but I didn't know that anyone had done that with the underlying assets themselves.

One problem with doing that is that it removes an incentive to end the war: getting the frozen assets back.

I don't think that any economic bargaining point can dissuade Russia from its chosen course.

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Skanky Burns: Jan 9, 2009

Logistics news, Ukraine let Russia work on a new bridge for months before blowing it up, preventing them from opening up another supply line into Crimea.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...sh=43109840d48b

# ? Jan 10, 2024 00:44

PurpleXVI: Oct 30, 2011; Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
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Skanky Burns posted:

Logistics news, Ukraine let Russia work on a new bridge for months before blowing it up, preventing them from opening up another supply line into Crimea.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...sh=43109840d48b

lmao, I read that. That's just plain trolling, albeit also smart, let them waste as much time and resources as possible before interrupting.

# ? Jan 10, 2024 01:51

Comrade Blyatlov: Aug 4, 2007; should have picked four fingers

Skanky Burns posted:

Logistics news, Ukraine let Russia work on a new bridge for months before blowing it up, preventing them from opening up another supply line into Crimea.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...sh=43109840d48b

God bless

# ? Jan 10, 2024 02:05

PurpleXVI: Oct 30, 2011; Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1745094845826216188

Content: four-minute video "review" by the Ukrainians of the Polish AHS KRAB SPG.

quote:

The closest look at the Polish AHS KRAB 155mm self-propelled howitzer in the report by @army_tv_ua .

We are grateful to our friends from @MON_GOV_PL and all people of Poland for such an effective weapon for our defenders.

And did you know, that 155mm shells have no casings?

Discover more about #WeaponsOfVictory in the video.

# ? Jan 10, 2024 17:33

PurpleXVI: Oct 30, 2011; Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

https://en.defence-ua.com/analysis/french_researchers_predict_that_by_2024_there_may_be_1500_to_250_tanks_left_in_russian_army-7843.html

Content: A possibly overly optimistic calculation on how many viable tanks the Russian armed forces likely have left. Spoiler: It doesn't sound like an awful lot for that big a country, even in the "best case" scenario for Russia.

Fingers crossed these folks did their homework right.

# ? Jan 10, 2024 18:35

Dandywalken: Feb 11, 2014

merde

# ? Jan 10, 2024 18:36

OddObserver: Apr 3, 2009

PurpleXVI posted:

https://en.defence-ua.com/analysis/french_researchers_predict_that_by_2024_there_may_be_1500_to_250_tanks_left_in_russian_army-7843.html

Content: A possibly overly optimistic calculation on how many viable tanks the Russian armed forces likely have left. Spoiler: It doesn't sound like an awful lot for that big a country, even in the "best case" scenario for Russia.

Fingers crossed these folks did their homework right.

Remind me how many tanks the French army has?

# ? Jan 10, 2024 19:03

bennyfactor: Nov 21, 2008

OddObserver posted:

Remind me how many tanks the French army has?

About 400 Leclercs. They are also not fighting an offensive land war.

# ? Jan 10, 2024 20:37

PurpleXVI: Oct 30, 2011; Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1745353775873667132

quote:

The administration of US President Joe #Biden has supported a draft law that will allow confiscating about $300 billion from frozen Russian assets and directing these funds to the reconstruction of #Ukraine, Bloomberg reported.

# ? Jan 11, 2024 11:58

Bored As Fuck: Jan 1, 2006; Fun Shoe

PurpleXVI posted:

https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1745353775873667132

Wonder how the GOP fucks who receive dirty Russian money will vote on that law.

# ? Jan 11, 2024 12:28

Coasterphreak: May 29, 2007; I like cookies.

Bored As gently caress posted:

Wonder how the GOP fucks who receive dirty Russian money will vote on that law.

Rudely.

# ? Jan 11, 2024 16:16

spankmeister: Jun 15, 2008

PurpleXVI posted:

https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1745353775873667132

GOP will want to divert the funds to the border wall

# ? Jan 11, 2024 16:44

Vincent Van Goatse: Nov 8, 2006; Enjoy every sandwich.; Smellrose

spankmeister posted:

GOP will want to divert the funds to the border wall

Fund the border wall but build it in Ukraine.

# ? Jan 11, 2024 18:29

Itchy_Grundle: Feb 22, 2003

Bored As gently caress posted:

Wonder how the GOP fucks who receive dirty Russian money will vote on that law.

First thing I thought of as well.

# ? Jan 11, 2024 19:47

Hannibal Rex: Feb 13, 2010

https://x.com/NatalkaKyiv/status/1745657668608421891?s=20

quote:

The reasons for Russia freezing and flooding explained by a Russian political commentator on his TG channel:

�Why the series of utility disasters?

The reasons can be named for a long time, but besides the banal wear and tear of the networks, there must be an explanation - why did they flare up this winter?

What are the new factors?
We can name at least three of them.

The fact that the �hard worker� type, that is, that same worker or plumber who monitors the condition of utility pipes, is especially vulnerable to mobilization.

He works in absolutely transparent for the authorities and organizations subordinate to them places, he usually served in the military, and usually, such people are submitted to the military registration and enlistment office much more often than office employees or chauffeurs for the management. They don't feel sorry for them.

The fact is that these �hard workers� themselves, getting hard work for little money, when they have to be ready at any time of the day or night, in any weather, to dive into a pit filled with steaming sewage or boiling water flock themselves to the military registration and enlistment offices, and sign contracts.

They say life is not easy now, so it won�t get any worse, especially since they all served, they are �men,� and Solovyov said to go defend their homeland, plus it wouldn�t hurt to get some money.

The fact that, after the fall of the ruble and the emergence of very real risks of going to the Ukrainian steppes instead of sweeping the yard, migrants began to come less often and leave more often.

The dream of the poets, who have been demanding the expulsion of strangers from our Eden for so many years, has come true. True, like all dreams that come true with the realization of the dream being what was not expected.

The system, as it seemed to itself, sacrificed only low-value ballast; almost none of the really important and respected people - like bosses, their associates, relatives or in-laws were affected by the situation.

It was possible to negotiate and bargain for them, putting forward and offering in exchange �hard workers,� who, it seemed, were a dime a dozen.

However, they were only ballast in our today's distorted, irrational optics. In fact, they turned out to be precisely the very nail on which the decayed and rotten communal pipe system, as well as the bosses, contractors, inspectors, distribution and other structures feeding on it, were held together.

And now they all, together, unfortunately, and with the cities, are slowly falling into that same huge, steaming and smoking January pit with feces bubbling in boiling water.

But �Ivanovich,� who was usually sent there with a set of keys and a parting swear word, is not at hand. �Ivanych� has left and will not return. And it�s unclear what to do. And it�s unclear how to continue to live. The bosses won�t get their hands dirty, and they don�t know how to��

I'm not usually big on the frequent "Russia is collapsing" misery porn posts, but this one has a certain poetry to it.

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Cannon_Fodder: Jul 17, 2007; "Hey, where did Steve go?"
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Normal country with boiling turd pits.

# ? Jan 12, 2024 18:39

Comrade Blyatlov: Aug 4, 2007; should have picked four fingers

Cannon_Fodder posted:

Normal country with boiling turd pits.

Steaming, because showers and sinks drain to the same place and it doesn't take much to steam in winter

# ? Jan 12, 2024 18:57

Lord Awkward: Feb 16, 2012

Cannon_Fodder posted:

Normal country with boiling turd pits.

In America, we call it "Golden Corral" instead

# ? Jan 12, 2024 18:57

Antigravitas: Dec 8, 2019; Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

Cannon_Fodder posted:

Normal country with boiling turd pits.

That's basically the bowels of all cities. It's all well hidden until the utility workers vanish.

# ? Jan 12, 2024 19:15

PurpleXVI: Oct 30, 2011; Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

https://www.kyivpost.com/analysis/26663

quote:

Russian Surrender Rates Reportedly Spiking Due to Cold Weather, Fighting Slowing Along the Front

Ukrainian official sources claim �dozens� of Kremlin soldiers recently came in from the cold. In some open sources, Russian POWs complain of being left on the front lines, for weeks, without support.

You know, that would be a nice end to things, if Russian troops surrendered rather than getting blasted into ground meat.

# ? Jan 12, 2024 20:51

Alchenar: Apr 9, 2008

PurpleXVI posted:

https://www.kyivpost.com/analysis/26663

You know, that would be a nice end to things, if Russian troops surrendered rather than getting blasted into ground meat.

At a minimum it would be good if Russia's attrition rate stays up even if operations are slowing down for the Winter.

# ? Jan 12, 2024 21:08

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PurpleXVI posted:

https://www.kyivpost.com/analysis/26663

You know, that would be a nice end to things, if Russian troops surrendered rather than getting blasted into ground meat.

It would also be very funny if Russia lost to Russian winter.

# ? Jan 12, 2024 21:22

Cannon_Fodder: Jul 17, 2007; "Hey, where did Steve go?"
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tiaz posted:

It would also be very funny if Russia lost to Russian winter.

I'm no Russian history buff, but I'm sure this wouldn't be the first time. Or second.

# ? Jan 12, 2024 21:36

tiaz: Jul 1, 2004; PICK UP THAT PRESENT.

Zelensky's Zealots

Cannon_Fodder posted:

I'm no Russian history buff, but I'm sure this wouldn't be the first time. Or second.

And every time it beggars belief a little more that they still haven't cracked the code :allears:

# ? Jan 12, 2024 22:09

Fearless: Sep 3, 2003; DRINK MORE MOXIE

quote:

And now they all, together, unfortunately, and with the cities, are slowly falling into that same huge, steaming and smoking January pit with feces bubbling in boiling water.

It feels to me like there is a new thread title in here somewhere.

# ? Jan 12, 2024 22:27

Hyperlynx: Sep 13, 2015

Fearless posted:

It feels to me like there is a new thread title in here somewhere.

Aw, the current one is so good, though. And it's a thread original

# ? Jan 13, 2024 00:08

Itchy_Grundle: Feb 22, 2003

tiaz posted:

It would also be very funny if Russia lost to Russian winter.

General Winter has changed sides.

# ? Jan 13, 2024 01:20

Fearless: Sep 3, 2003; DRINK MORE MOXIE

Hyperlynx posted:

Aw, the current one is so good, though. And it's a thread original

I know, it's a real conundrum.

# ? Jan 13, 2024 01:30

Ronwayne: Nov 20, 2007; That warm and fuzzy feeling.

tiaz posted:

It would also be very funny if Russia lost to Russian winter.

Russian winter is a defensive ally only. once russian military forces leave the borders their record becomes extremely mixed historically. '43-'45 was a bit of an outlier

Ronwayne fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Jan 13, 2024

# ? Jan 13, 2024 04:02

A.o.D.: Jan 15, 2006

Ronwayne posted:

Russian winter is a defensive ally only. once russian military forces leave the borders their record becomes extremely mixed historically. '43-'45 was a bit of an outlier

They were getting a LOT of sustainment help with that offensive.

# ? Jan 13, 2024 04:27

Valtonen: May 13, 2014; Tanks still suck but you don't gotta hand it to the Axis either.

A.o.D. posted:

They were getting a LOT of sustainment help with that offensive.

Hey Now, north korea 2024 is about as Good a source for resupply as US in 1944, right? Plus no u-boats to sink shipments.

# ? Jan 13, 2024 05:12

Soylent Pudding: Jun 22, 2007; We've got people!

Valtonen posted:

Hey Now, north korea 2024 is about as Good a source for resupply as US in 1944, right? Plus no u-boats to sink shipments.

Putting on my Turtledove hat and wondering who wins the N Korea 2024 vs US 1944 conflict if nukes are taken out of the equation.

# ? Jan 13, 2024 19:30

standard.deviant: May 17, 2012; Globally Indigent

Soylent Pudding posted:

Putting on my Turtledove hat and wondering who wins the N Korea 2024 vs US 1944 conflict if nukes are taken out of the equation.

I�m just gonna leave this here

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 15:55

Comrade Blyatlov: Aug 4, 2007; should have picked four fingers

Soylent Pudding posted:

Putting on my Turtledove hat and wondering who wins the N Korea 2024 vs US 1944 conflict if nukes are taken out of the equation.

I guess if it was strictly what was in service in 1944 NK would have a fair shot, but the crazy-rear end industrial power of the USA would overwhelm by sheer weight of numbers regardless

# ? Jan 13, 2024 20:00

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