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Beastie posted:IT just made it so that I need to enter the digits off an RSA token to log into the work computer. One of the most important job of the RSA token is to ensure there's an actual meat-based entity in front of the computer. This is far from unreasonable. There are some fancier auth token hardware that are meant to just stay in a usb port and be booped manually when needed, because the main point is to prevent remote access from working altogether. Aramis fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Jan 12, 2024 |
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MS bing chat has become too much like a search engine, where it ignores half of what you said and gives you an answer to what it thinks you said instead, it's garbage for complex conversations now.
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Trashbag talk: You mean you all don't just use the plastic bags you bring home your food in?
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Computer viking posted:Trashbag talk: You mean you all don't just use the plastic bags you bring home your food in? plastic grocery bags are banned in the civilized world op
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Windows hello for business is the solution for the above which allows auth with neither PW and doesn't cause MFA fatigue, uses the computers TPM chip. Sorry goon that your IT has to justify their jobs but don't have the expertise for best practices
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Someone sum up what's going on with new balance because those are my chosen sneaker.
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Jan 12, 2024 21:01
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Aramis posted:One of the most important job of the RSA token is to ensure there's an actual meat-based entity in front of the computer. This is far from unreasonable. Okay, that makes sense. We make drinking water so someone getting into the SCADA terminal remotely and loving poo poo up would be bad. We'd probably catch it immediately but they could do just about anything short of turning off the water for the whole city.
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Hollismason posted:Someone sum up what's going on with new balance because those are my chosen sneaker. no dude it's politics poo poo and i already told the thread not to go in to it again. basically always assume every company is either overtly or secretly evil
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poo poo Fuckasaurus posted:Honestly everything about the industry sucks and I'm watching it all get worse. Certs are right back to being the joke they were in the late oughts, but this time we have to recertify annually *and* learn to the test since half the information is out of date by the time a test is published due to the patching cadence MS has adopted. That plus all the paper tigers in the industry means you never really get to fill your titled role, so you can't meaningfully plan a career. This makes applying and interviewing for positions a shitshow, since you don't often have the skills or competencies that your title path implies due to never being allowed to actually work your titles.  this tracks. I'm going through this now. Only experience, and 4 years or more, counts, so certifying and education just feels totally pointless because it isn't worth anything and you can't get experience because you need to have the experience first before we dare to let you reset passwords. 5 years in Thingmaster 5000 only will be accepted, Thingmaster 4000 simply will not do, ThingKing Pro experience will not do even though it's doing the same process with a different UI.
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Beastie posted:Okay, that makes sense. We make drinking water so someone getting into the SCADA terminal remotely and loving poo poo up would be bad. We'd probably catch it immediately but they could do just about anything short of turning off the water for the whole city. I used to recommend doing this after assessments but nobody ever implemented it because it pissed off engineers. Kudos to wherever you work.
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The agencies I work with refuse to make their SCADA stuff talk to the outside world. They do some kind of entire separate internal network for it.
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Computer viking posted:Trashbag talk: You mean you all don't just use the plastic bags you bring home your food in? American grocery bags are like tissue, and very small.
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withak posted:The agencies I work with refuse to make their SCADA stuff talk to the outside world. They do some kind of entire separate internal network for it. I.e. the correct way to do things
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Biplane posted:American grocery bags are like tissue, and very small. Or they're the reusable ones that are too nice to just throw out willy-nilly
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CaptainCrunch posted:Yeah it’s lovely the author isn’t getting a fair return on Book 1 or Book 2 just to trick Amazon’s algorithm into making their work visible. Why the gently caress would I give authors money when I can just use chatgpt?
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withak posted:The agencies I work with refuse to make their SCADA stuff talk to the outside world. They do some kind of entire separate internal network for it. yes that is how you run a SCADA why do you want to connect SCADAs to the internet, the last SCADAs I worked with were for bottling machines filling vials with chemo drugs and lyophilizers freeze drying said chemo drugs what possible good would come from connecting that poo poo to the internet
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This is all anecdotal, but I'm wondering if it's systemic. For the past ten years I've exchanged postcards every New Year's with some of my fellow classmates when I was an exchange student. I get around 10 or 12 postcards, primarily from Asia but also a couple from elsewhere, and I've never had an issue with giving or receiving cards on time, usually in less than a week. Until this year, which has been a total clusterfuck. Postcards I sent out a month ago have yet to arrive. Two people live together and one of them mailed both their postcards at the same time, and yet I received them weeks apart. I also got some cards from former students in a single class which have been gradually arriving over the course of a month, despite them, again, all being mailed at the same time. As far as I can tell, this is only an issue on the to/from America front, as nobody else has had trouble getting theirs delivered to each other. (Not even the guy in Yemen, which is going through some stuff at the moment.) My mom also recently had some issues with her medication deciding to take a victory lap around the US, then taking a trip to Jamaica at some point, before finally arriving two months late from its starting point of about two hours away.
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MrQwerty posted:yes that is how you run a SCADA Visit shodan.io and marvel at the many thousands of industrial automation devices connected to the worldwide Web Pls don't try to connect to them
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You can thank Trump and this motherfucker for intentionally gutting the USPS in the hopes of making the US privatize mail delivery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_DeJoy Making mail deliveries slower was an intentional and deliberate part of his 10-year plan for the USPS, as was decommissioning mail sorting machines and reducing post office operating hours deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Jan 12, 2024 |
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TotalLossBrain posted:Visit shodan.io and marvel at the many thousands of industrial automation devices connected to the worldwide Web oh I know idiots do it
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Computer viking posted:Trashbag talk: You mean you all don't just use the plastic bags you bring home your food in? Like 70% of them have a hole in the bottom the size of a penny.
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Time_pants posted:Like 70% of them have a hole in the bottom the size of a penny. I had to stop using them as cat poop bags because these holes just get bigger and more frequent what the hell
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deep dish peat moss posted:I had to stop using them as cat poop bags because these holes just get bigger and more frequent what the hell I have long suspected it's to discourage people from using them as trash bags.
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TotalLossBrain posted:Visit shodan.io and marvel at the many thousands of industrial automation devices connected to the worldwide Web lol this reminds me of a thread on here many years ago (I wanna say mid-2000s) where there was some brand of security camera that was connected to the internet and had literally no authentication to access it by default. If I remember right, people found shitloads of these cameras via port scanning. You could just pop the IP into your browser and gain full control of the camera, including swivel, tilt and zoom. It was a matter of just trying different ones until you found an unsecured one. A whole bunch of office workers got terrorised by the security cameras going berzerk.
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Quote-Unquote posted:lol this reminds me of a thread on here many years ago (I wanna say mid-2000s) where there was some brand of security camera that was connected to the internet and had literally no authentication to access it by default. If I remember right, people found shitloads of these cameras via port scanning. You could just pop the IP into your browser and gain full control of the camera, including swivel, tilt and zoom. It was a matter of just trying different ones until you found an unsecured one. A whole bunch of office workers got terrorised by the security cameras going berzerk. there was a thread like that last year and it very quickly turned into a total loving SAD shitshow
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MrQwerty posted:yes that is how you run a SCADA So I can manipulate them from home for figgies while I play Railroad Tycoon 3. deep dish peat moss posted:You can thank Trump and this motherfucker for intentionally gutting the USPS in the hopes of making the US privatize mail delivery If we elect Biden he'll get rid of the guy who sabotaged mail for the expressed purpose of interfering with mail in ballots.
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skooma512 posted:So I can manipulate them from home for figgies while I play Railroad Tycoon 3.  i have to go to work to gently caress with critical equipment that can potentially kill hundreds of thousands of people if it gets put on the internet
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MrQwerty posted:what possible good would come from connecting that poo poo to the internet I've seen a lot of SCADA networks that weren't directly exposed to the internet, but they were somehow connected to corporate networks, which are much easier to hack.
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bossy lady posted:I've seen a lot of SCADA networks that weren't directly exposed to the internet, but they were somehow connected to corporate networks, which are much easier to hack. mindblowingly dumb poo poo
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skooma512 posted:So I can manipulate them from home for figgies while I play Railroad Tycoon 3. Yeah, it’s wild that this guy is still around.
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bossy lady posted:I've seen a lot of SCADA networks that weren't directly exposed to the internet, but they were somehow connected to corporate networks, which are much easier to hack. That engineer has to have engineering access to all his devices from his desk I guess. That's exactly how the first Ukraine grid hack went down in 2014 (?) - Russians just rdp'ing into the SCADA engineering workstation in a live view and clicking breakers jfc That poo poo is all too common and a very juicy attack vector.
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My only problem with Teams is that I have no use for it, I've never used it, I will never use it, and Windows reinstalls it throughout the day, pops up with updates and notifications, does all kinds of annoying poo poo when all I want is for it to not exist. I don't know if the app itself is good or not because I have no use for it.
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TotalLossBrain posted:I.e. the correct way to do things Part of the correct way to do it. It's one of those belts and suspenders situation.
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withak posted:The agencies I work with refuse to make their SCADA stuff talk to the outside world. They do some kind of entire separate internal network for it. That's what iran thought too, then along came stuxnut
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:plastic grocery bags are banned in the civilized world op i tried to bring my own bag grocery shopping and they kicked me out on the assumption i was using it to shoplift because i'm not white
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Dip Viscous posted:i tried to bring my own bag grocery shopping and they kicked me out on the assumption i was using it to shoplift because i'm not white Bags cost extra here as well as being smaller than they use to be. I liked the sign at Shop Rite telling people to not put things in bags until they're paying. Followed later by an announcement stating pretty much the same thing. Yeah yeah sure thing that's totally because it slows down bagging at this time of year whatever you say.
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TotalLossBrain posted:That engineer has to have engineering access to all his devices from his desk I guess. A lot of it was also historian servers and such living in the corporate network that needed process control data. They were often set up decades ago with full network access and nobody touched it since. RDP / VNC hall of mirrors is also how I used to jump across DMZ networks. My record is 8
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bossy lady posted:A lot of it was also historian servers and such living in the corporate network that needed process control data. They were often set up decades ago with full network access and nobody touched it since. I'm imagining a string of connection like in Uplink
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skooma512 posted:So I can manipulate them from home for figgies while I play Railroad Tycoon 3. To not got off the rails, please google why this isn't at all possible.
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deep dish peat moss posted:You can thank Trump and this motherfucker for intentionally gutting the USPS in the hopes of making the US privatize mail delivery This has been going on since way before trump. There was a 2000s law that forced the USPS to fully fund their pension system for all active employees to try and cripple them financially. Plus a bunch of other dirty tricks I can't remember off the top of my head. USPS is an example of a properly functioning government service and the right utterly despises it and has been trying to kill it for decades.
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