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I went into Attack of the Clones to see clones attacking, and by God I got what I wanted.
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My initial reaction to Phantom Menace was that it was just a fun space adventure, with Jar Jar and the Battle Droids standing out as fascinating, authentically-alien characters. Attack Of The Clones I thought was 'so bad it's good' camp, and Revenge of The Sith was a return to fun space adventure with a surprising gut punch at "you were the chosen one!!!" Not long afterwards afterwards, I got all snobby and held the opinion that - unlike the "OT" films - the prequels were not properly illustrative of true heroic virtues or something. It was a bad time. Many years later, I realized that my initial impressions were right on, but simply underdeveloped because I had little understanding of the original films, or of satire.
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Jan 12, 2024 02:25
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Robot Style posted:In the same way Godzilla was an attempt to use science fiction to work through fears about atomic warfare, Revenge of the Sith is Lucas posting "WATCH BUSH START A loving WAR" over and over again for two hours. And that's why it's great. You also don't get many movies that properly commit to the downer 'the bad guy wins' endings so gleefully rubbed in your face. And that probably only got away with it because we already know the resolution.
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Jan 12, 2024 02:43
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Glottis posted:I first saw AOTC a week before it hit theaters on an extremely blurry bootleg video, and was hyped and thought it was way better than TPM. There's a scene with like 800 lightsabers! And each one with a corresponding plastic spoon in cereal.
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Jan 12, 2024 06:41
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FunkyAl posted:And each one with a corresponding plastic spoon in cereal. Those were loving awesome. RotS also has Palpatine reaching supercritical scenery chewing.
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Jan 12, 2024 07:47
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The prequels are pretty terrible from a writing and dialogue standpoint, but they have such a unique art direction, style and vision, which is half the reason they stay so memorable / they are uplifted by all the various side products that adapt things from them. It's easy to forget that George and his company, were basically the richest independent film company in existence, and they made everything outside the usual studios. Thus George was able to apply a singular vision, for better or worse, and the films don't feel like they're built by a committee in the same way the sequels do.
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Jan 12, 2024 09:09
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And let's not forget Matt Stover's novelization of RotS. When books are adapted to film, the usual complaint is that you lose the characters' inner dialogue. Stover's book adds that to RotS and elevates the source material in doings so. If you like the movie, the book will increase your appreciation of the movie. If you don't like the movie, try the book, it might make the movie good for you, and it's a good novel in its own right. Arguably the best Star Wars novel ever published, check it out.
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Jan 12, 2024 09:44
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mllaneza posted:And let's not forget Matt Stover's novelization of RotS. When books are adapted to film, the usual complaint is that you lose the characters' inner dialogue. Stover's book adds that to RotS and elevates the source material in doings so. If you like the movie, the book will increase your appreciation of the movie. If you don't like the movie, try the book, it might make the movie good for you, and it's a good novel in its own right. I actually bought this prior to seeing the movie, and read the first quarter or so, stopping after the Palpatine rescue / crash landing on coruscant. I had to force myself to stop excitedly reading more, lest I spoil the movie for myself. Then I was quite bummed watching how those scenes played out in the actual movie. Then I was bummed again reading the rest of the novel, as it did a much better job portraying Anakin's fall than the film did. Isometric Bacon fucked around with this message at 10:29 on Jan 12, 2024 |
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Jan 12, 2024 10:26
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mllaneza posted:And let's not forget Matt Stover's novelization of RotS. When books are adapted to film, the usual complaint is that you lose the characters' inner dialogue. Stover's book adds that to RotS and elevates the source material in doings so. If you like the movie, the book will increase your appreciation of the movie. If you don't like the movie, try the book, it might make the movie good for you, and it's a good novel in its own right. I do remember reading this and loving it. Certainly better than the movie in hindsight. I tried watching RoTS again after finishing up Clone Wars and it just didn't work for me at all.
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Jan 12, 2024 15:57
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Isometric Bacon posted:The prequels are pretty terrible from a writing and dialogue standpoint. Could you provide some examples of good writing and dialogue, as a comparison?
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Jan 12, 2024 16:09
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Could you provide some examples of good writing and dialogue, as a comparison? “Then I'll see you in hell!” - Han Solo
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Could you provide some examples of good writing and dialogue, as a comparison? Somehow, Palpatine returned
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Jan 12, 2024 16:17
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I vaguely remember being up and down on the prequels at the time and liking RotS the most, but I definitely remember fully hooting and hollering at lightsaber yoda and thinking it ruled and guess what? i still do
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Jan 12, 2024 16:29
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The space liberals were written badly and acted woodenly on purpose sounds like a cop out but it’s actually true in this case
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Jan 12, 2024 16:35
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I've never particularly liked the "jumping around" duel choreography of the prequels. They overcorrected for the lack of choreography in the OT, which gave the duels some authenticity. I also prefer the 'mystic monk' Yoda of the OT rather than the 'mystic Yoda that does the jumping around dueling' of the PT, but that might just be me.
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Jan 12, 2024 16:37
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It's just classic adventure movie choreography with lasers and explosions. Swordfights are supposed to involve jumping on tables and swinging from chandeliers.
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Jan 12, 2024 16:38
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The characters in the PT are less authentic than in the OT
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Jan 12, 2024 16:39
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I've never particularly liked the "jumping around" duel choreography of the prequels. They overcorrected for the lack of choreography in the OT, which gave the duels some authenticity. I also prefer the 'mystic monk' Yoda of the OT rather than the 'mystic Yoda that does the jumping around dueling' of the PT, but that might just be me. It's not just you. It showed Lucas's lack of creativity there, in the first duel between competent, well trained force users. It ended up being significantly less creative than the Cloud City fight and was a huge disappointment. I will go to my grave believing Yoda shouldn't have ever had a lightsaber and should have been doing space wizard stuff, not space knight.
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trevorreznik posted:Yoda shouldn't have ever had a lightsaber and should have been doing space wizard stuff, not space knight. That’s exactly the point yes He’s a big gently caress up in the PT
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Jan 12, 2024 16:44
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I agree that Yoda should not have been the first Muppet with a laser sword. We didn't get a single Ewok Jedi
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Jan 12, 2024 16:50
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Yoda agrees he should not have had a light saber.
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Jan 12, 2024 16:51
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I liked Yoda space ninja
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Jan 12, 2024 16:57
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Seeing that as a kid we all thought it was hysterical. Like it is deliberately a complete subversion of how you'd think Yoda would fight, that is the joke
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Jan 12, 2024 17:01
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He's pretty clear on the subject of wars not making you great by the time of Empire, so anyone who was expecting him to come off as great in his one big war wasn't paying attention.
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Jan 12, 2024 17:09
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Many years later, I realized that my initial impressions were right on, but simply underdeveloped because I had little understanding of the original films, or of satire. a seemingly common affliction euphronius posted:The characters in the PT are less authentic than in the OT No Dignity posted:Seeing that as a kid we all thought it was hysterical. Like it is deliberately a complete subversion of how you'd think Yoda would fight, that is the joke The problem isn't even not getting that it's a joke, it's rejecting the notion that you can or should joke about these things. yoda and the republic are serious and deserve our respect
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Jan 12, 2024 17:09
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Lucas actually did character development and it enraged people
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Young Yoda should have been portrayed by a massive bodybuilder with a flowing mane who never did anything but utter wise sayings and ask if you judge him by his size
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Jan 12, 2024 17:21
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RBA Starblade posted:Young Yoda should have been portrayed by a massive bodybuilder with a flowing mane who never did anything but utter wise sayings and ask if you judge him by his size lol, this is such a DBZ villain approach.
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Jan 12, 2024 17:24
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Could you provide some examples of good writing and dialogue, as a comparison? More relevantly, examples from the OT? Lucas is a good writer of wooden dialogue, some would even say, the king lol
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DeimosRising posted:The problem isn't even not getting that it's a joke, it's rejecting the notion that you can or should joke about these things. yoda and the republic are serious and deserve our respect The problem with the prequels is that Lucas thinks the funny jokey films are actually life-and-death serious, because he's a moron. This is completely different from myself, who certainly does not ascribe an undo importance on the spaceships and robots movie, and I'll thank you not to make that comparison. 
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George Suckass
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I've never particularly liked the "jumping around" duel choreography of the prequels. They overcorrected for the lack of choreography in the OT, which gave the duels some authenticity. I also prefer the 'mystic monk' Yoda of the OT rather than the 'mystic Yoda that does the jumping around dueling' of the PT, but that might just be me. Purely as fights, divorced from the stories around them, I think I like the ST fights the most.
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RBA Starblade posted:Young Yoda should have been portrayed by a massive bodybuilder with a flowing mane who never did anything but utter wise sayings and ask if you judge him by his size Platoda
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It's long been an area of interest that baby yoda has taken such a dominant position in disney even as all other yodas have seen sharp declines. Even young albeit not a baby normal yoda achieved little traction, despite this enthralling concept art 
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It's a pretty classic cliche of martial arts stories and the like that the old wise master who everyone thinks is past his prime will at some point fight someone and bust some super cool moves thus demonstrating he's still got it. To translate this to Yoda in Star Wars, he has to be using a lightsabre and using the Jedi Council approved backflip combat E: Yoda chat reminded me of this tweet https://twitter.com/depechejoe/status/1592297919453233154?t=9b7fpMTdPo8xxzse5VHesg&s=19 2house2fly fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Jan 13, 2024 |
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he should have whipped out a gun
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Jan 13, 2024 01:55
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At one point Yoda wasn't even a Jedi, let alone a competent lightsaber wielder. From a ROTJ story conference with Lawrence Kasdan: quote:Lucas: Also another misconception is that Yoda teaches Jedi, but he is like a guru; he doesn’t go out and fight anybody.
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I like that, to be honest. Who says Yoda has to be mighty? I mean, that question is silly now because obviously he could crush planets with his mind, but still...
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Robot Style posted:At one point Yoda wasn't even a Jedi, let alone a competent lightsaber wielder.
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I think it's worth considering that Lucas seemed to become a bit of a cynic over the course of his life and career. Even though he was very politically-aware and anti-war as a young man, the purity of wisdom he imagines Yoda having seems like the optimism of a young man. Making a figure of purported sage wisdom into a hypocritical warmonger and violent warrior seems like the cynicism of a left-leaning man who burnt all that optimism away over decades of bitter social and political disillusionment.
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