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stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

Japan is supposed to double their military budget to buy 400 Tomahawk missiles.

How is Japan going to get 5 year production worth of missile at the current rate?

BTW, Japan's military grift is as bad if not worse than the US. I am convinced most of their military budget are funnelled through Mitsubishi back to LDP for election.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 04:19 on Jan 13, 2024

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stephenthinkpad posted:

Japan is supposed to double their military budget to buy 400 Tomahawk missiles.

How is Japan going to get 5 year production worth of missile at the current rate?

the privilege of a lapdog is to ask how high in a scam

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Mandel Brotset: Jan 1, 2024

Danann posted:

it's actually worse than i thought

https://twitter.com/snekotron/status/1637146077311672324

~~90 missiles a year can be considered an aspirational target as one might call it~~

edit: 2021 had a peak of 122 missiles so there's that but the us is still going to manage to blow entire years worth of production in moments

lol at the unit price per year

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Justin Tyme: Feb 22, 2011

We spend like a trillion per year on defense and THIS is what it gets us? It's pathetic, the MIC needs kicked in the nuts

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FuzzySlippers: Feb 6, 2009

I think everyone ordering US weapons are getting them in the 30s or 40s lol. You may not see these weapons, but we swear your children will be armed

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DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

stephenthinkpad posted:

Japan is supposed to double their military budget to buy 400 Tomahawk missiles.

How is Japan going to get 5 year production worth of missile at the current rate?

BTW, Japan's military grift is as bad if not worse than the US. I am convinced most of their military budget are funnelled through Mitsubishi back to LDP for election.

FuzzySlippers posted:

I think everyone ordering US weapons are getting them in the 30s or 40s lol. You may not see these weapons, but we swear your children will be armed

It's like preordering a video game on Steam only its tomahawks and good luck getting a refund when you still don't have them in another decade. Or two.

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Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

i guess the optics of the us vassal states just openly paying tribute money would be a step too far, so you gotta launder it via vaporware arms sales

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gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

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# ? Jan 13, 2024 12:39

Deadly Ham Sandwich: Aug 19, 2009; Smellrose

DancingShade posted:

With this new wunderwuffan we'll have a hundred fold force multiplier. We'll be unstoppable. Yeah we can probably downsize a bit. A lot.

What do you mean everyone else has them now too? Wait theirs are better? Oh it'll be fine, we have really fancy powerpoint presentations.

I regret to inform you that US military is also poo poo at PowerPoint.

gradenko_2000 posted:

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Loving this pope starting the catholic civil war for based poo poo like this

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FuzzySlippers posted:

So, the big strike on Yemen yesterday doesn't seem to have done much damage. Did the US whiff the strike on purpose to purely save face while trying to avoid overtly antagonizing the Yemeni or did that represent what the carrier group could actually do?

The strikes seem to have been more for domestic political points. They want to convince the US and European publics that they are in fact actually doing something about the Red Sea blockade, and hope that they buy themselves at least a week or so before it becomes obvious that no, Ansarallah was neither deterred nor meaningfully degraded militarily.

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Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

gradenko_2000 posted:

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Finally.

Now for the Anglicans so the King of England is in communion...

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gradenko_2000 posted:

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Liberation theology is when priests get exiled here for social activism in Europe and bashing fascists and realize that they've become communists

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Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Frosted Flake posted:

Finally.

Now for the Anglicans so the King of England is in communion...

FF holding out for the *checks notes* King of England to declare himself a communist.

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gradenko_2000 posted:

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Apostolic communism ftw

# ? Jan 13, 2024 17:09

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

dead gay comedy forums posted:

Liberation theology is when priests get exiled here for social activism in Europe and bashing fascists and realize that they've become communists

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ScootsMcSkirt: Oct 29, 2013

DancingShade posted:

It's like preordering a video game on Steam only its tomahawks and good luck getting a refund when you still don't have them in another decade. Or two.

Star Citizen-rear end military lol

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Bel Shazar: Sep 14, 2012

gradenko_2000 posted:

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Now admit that the initial church was both socialist and revolutionary, you coward! Jesus wanted us all to be communists.

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mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

official edict:
Pope encourages Marxists and Christians to fight corruption, uphold rule-of-law

www.vaticannews.va - Wed, 10 Jan 2024 posted:

Pope Francis meets with representatives of the Dialop Transversal dialogue project, an initiative that invites socialists and Christians to work for a common ethic, and invites them to build a better future for our polarised world.

By Salvatore Cernuzio

People who are poor, unemployed, homeless, immigrants, or exploited, as well as all those killed by past dictatorships and turned into rubbish by the "throwaway culture" of the present: the level of a society's civilisation is measured by the way they are treated, the Pope said.

Pope Francis reiterated the centrality of the vulnerable as well as the urgency of countering the triple "scourge" of corruption, abuse of power, and lawlessness�both in politics and in society�in his address on Wednesday with representatives of the DIALOP transversal dialogue project.

This is a dialogue project between socialists/Marxists, communists, and Christians aimed at formulating a common social ethic that can be proposed as a new narrative for a Europe in search of its identity, with an integral ecology between the Social Doctrine of the Church and Marxist social critique at its core.

The initiative was born in 2014 after a meeting between Pope Francis, Alexis Tsipras, then president of the Syriza party and later Greek prime minister after 2015, Walter Baier, president of the Party of the European Left, and Franz Kronreif of the Focolare Movement (both present at the audience).

## "Do not stop dreaming"

Pope Francis received this morning, in the Paul VI Hall, before the General Audience, 15 members�7 from the left and 8 Catholics from different European countries�of this association.

He shared with them his pain for a world that today appears "divided by wars and polarizations" and, on the other hand, his encouragement to look to the future and try to imagine a "better world."

"We Argentinians say: don't wrinkle, don't go backwards. And this is the invitation I extend to you too: don't back down, don't give up, don't stop dreaming of a better world."

## Freedom, equality, dignity, fraternity

"It is in the imagination, in fact, that intelligence, intuition, experience, and historical memory meet to create, venture, and risk," the Pope stressed.

He recalled how, over the centuries, "it has been the great dreams of freedom and equality, of dignity and fraternity, a reflection of God's dream, that have produced progress and advances."

In this sense, the Pope indicated three attitudes for DIALOP to carry out its commitment: the courage to break the mould, attention to the weak, and promotion of a culture based on the rule-of-law.

## Turning the tide

Having the courage to break the mould means "opening up, in dialogue, to new ways."

"In an era marked at various levels by conflicts and disagreements, let us not lose sight of what can still be done to reverse the course," he said.

"Against rigid approaches that divide, let us cultivate confrontation and listening with an open heart, without excluding anyone, at the political, social, and religious levels, so that the contribution of each one can, in his or her concrete peculiarity, be positively accepted in the processes of change to which our future is committed," Pope Francis exhorted.

## Criticism of finance and market mechanisms

The Pope then called for constant attention to be paid to the weak because the measure of a civilisation is evident in how it treats those on the margins of society.

In off-the-cuff remarks, the Pope recalled the history of the recent past.�"Let us not forget that the great dictatorships�think of Nazism�discarded the vulnerable and killed them," he said.

He urged world leaders to put in place policies that are "truly at the service of humanity," saying society "cannot allow itself to be dictated by finance and market mechanisms."

"Solidarity, besides being a moral virtue, is a requirement of justice, which requires correcting distortions and purifying the intentions of unjust systems, as well as radical changes of perspective in the sharing of challenges and resources among men and among peoples," the Pope said.

And he defined "social poets" those who dedicate themselves to this field, because "poetry is creativity," and here it is a question of "putting creativity at the service of society, so that it becomes more human and fraternal."

## Fighting corruption and illegality

Finally, Pope Francis encouraged a culture based on the rule-of-law.

"Fight the scourge of corruption, abuses of power, and illegality," he said, because "only in honesty, in deeds, can healthy relationships be established and we can cooperate with trust and efficiency in the construction of a better future."

Hence he expressed his gratitude for the "courage" to work "for a more just and peaceful world" and the recommendation that "the Gospel of Jesus Christ may always inspire and illuminate your research and actions."

During the audience, the DIALOP group presented to the Pope the results of the work of the last ten years, carried out also with the support of the Dicastery for Catholic Culture and Education.

"Beyond religious and ideological boundaries, Christians and Marxists, as well as people of good will," the association explained in a note, "recognise today that they are united in their commitment to the end of armed conflicts in the world and the security of the most basic human rights, in order to guarantee social equilibrium and peace for humanity."

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Slavvy: Dec 11, 2012

So frank the tank is getting whacked, right?

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fanfic insert: Nov 4, 2009

Syriza looking at that going "drat, blowback!"

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Speleothing: May 6, 2008; Spare batteries are pretty key.

Danann posted:

it's actually worse than i thought

https://twitter.com/snekotron/status/1637146077311672324

~~90 missiles a year can be considered an aspirational target as one might call it~~

edit: 2021 had a peak of 122 missiles so there's that but the us is still going to manage to blow entire years worth of production in moments

Protestors shutting down the plant even for a single day would completely derail annual production

# ? Jan 13, 2024 19:30

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

Slavvy posted:

So frank the tank is getting whacked, right?

I just need to marry to Switzer, so I can become a Swiss Citizen, and join the Swiss Guard... but is there time?

Speleothing posted:

Protestors shutting down the plant even for a single day would completely derail annual production

Which is why they threw the book at those kids for the "antisemitic hate crime" of disrupting Rafael.

# ? Jan 13, 2024 20:27

Best Friends: Nov 4, 2011

Frosted Flake posted:

I just need to marry to Switzer, so I can become a Swiss Citizen, and join the Swiss Guard... but is there time?

I think their entry requirements include fine language fluency, which is like rightly slightly above average for Swiss people and heroic for everyone else.

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yellowcar: Feb 14, 2010

Catholicism ftw

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gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

yellowcar posted:

Catholicism ftw

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Bel Shazar: Sep 14, 2012

yellowcar posted:

Catholicism ftw

Harumphs in Lutheran

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Nothus: Feb 22, 2001; Buglord

Frosted Flake posted:

I just need to marry to Switzer, so I can become a Swiss Citizen, and join the Swiss Guard... but is there time?

Maybe you can convince Frank to reconstitute his artillery corps.

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mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

Sorry kids, Protestantism is the only proven way toward freedom. It makes sense that Catholics and Marxists (totalitarian, non-democratic) would be bedfellows.

www.worldvaluessurvey.org, mentioning 'Protestant' 19 times posted:

### Catalogue of Findings
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Supplementing and further detailing these insights, here follows a catalogue summarizing the 30 most crucial findings of the WVS:

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A specific subset of self-expression values�emancipative values�combines an emphasis on freedom of choice and equality of opportunities. Emancipative values, thus, involve priorities for lifestyle liberty, gender equality, personal autonomy and the voice of the people.[8]

Emancipative values constitute the key cultural component of a broader process of human empowerment. Once set in motion, this process empowers people to exercise freedoms in their course of actions.[9]

If set in motion, human empowerment advances on three levels. On the socio-economic level, human empowerment advances as growing action resources increase people�s capabilities to exercise freedoms. On the socio-cultural level, human empowerment advances as rising emancipative values increase people�s aspirations to exercise freedoms. On the legal-institutional level, human empowerment advances as widened democratic rights increase people�s entitlements to exercise freedoms.[6]

Human empowerment is an entity of empowering capabilities, aspirations, and entitlements. As an entity, human empowerment tends to advance in virtuous spirals or to recede in vicious spirals on each of its three levels.[10]

As the cultural component of human empowerment, emancipative values are highly consequential in manifold ways. For one, emancipative values establish a civic form of modern individualism that favours out-group trust and cosmopolitan orientations towards others.[11]

Emancipative values encourage nonviolent protest, even against the risk of repression. Thus, emancipative values provide social capital that activates societies, makes publics more self-expressive, and vitalizes civil society. Emancipative values advance entire societies� civic agency.[12]

If emancipative values grow strong in countries that are democratic, they help to prevent movements away from democracy.[13]

If emancipative values grow strong in countries that are undemocratic, they help to trigger movements towards democracy.[13]

Emancipative values exert these effects because they encourage mass actions that put power holders under pressures to sustain, substantiate or establish democracy, depending on what the current challenge for democracy is.[13]

Objective factors that have been found to favour democracy (including economic prosperity, income equality, ethnic homogeneity, world market integration, global media exposure, closeness to democratic neighbours, a Protestant heritage, social capital and so forth) exert an influence on democracy mostly insofar as these factors favour emancipative values.[13]

Emancipative values do not strengthen people�s desire for democracy, for the desire for democracy is universal at this point in history. But emancipative values do change the nature of the desire for democracy. And they do so in a double way.[14]

For one, emancipative values make people�s understanding of democracy more liberal: people with stronger emancipative values emphasize the empowering features of democracy rather than bread-and-butter and law-and-order issues.[14]

Next, emancipative values make people assess the level of their country�s democracy more critical: people with stronger emancipative values rather underrate than overrate their country�s democratic performance.[14]

Together, then, emancipative values generate a critical-liberal desire for democracy. The critical-liberal desire for democracy is a formidable force of democratic reforms. And, it is the best available predictor of a country�s effective level of democracy and of other indicators of good governance. Neither democratic traditions nor cognitive mobilization account for the strong positive impact of emancipative values on the critical-liberal desire for democracy.[14]

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A coherent overview of all these findings can be found in Welzel's Freedom Rising (for a full citation, see bibliography below).

lol at this last point being completely unexplored before shifting to the next section:

quote:

Happiness and Life Satisfaction

The WVS has shown that from 1981 to 2007 happiness rose in 45 of the 52 countries for which long-term data are available. Since 1981, economic development, democratization, and rising social tolerance have increased the extent to which people perceive that they have free choice, which in turn has led to higher levels of happiness around the world. The popular statistics website Nationmaster publishes a simplified world happiness scale derived from the WVS data. The WVS website provides access to the WVS data, allowing users to carry out more complex analyses, such as comparing happiness levels over time or across socio-economic groups. One of the most striking shifts measured by the WVS was the sharp decline in happiness experienced in Russian and many other ex-communist countries during the 1990s.

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Real hurthling!: Sep 11, 2001

habemus pinko

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Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

mawarannahr posted:

Sorry kids, Protestantism is the only proven way toward freedom. It makes sense that Catholics and Marxists (totalitarian, non-democratic) would be bedfellows.

lol at this last point being completely unexplored before shifting to the next section:

Protestant Liberty: Religion and the Making of Canadian Liberalism, 1828�1878

Tensions between Protestantism and Catholicism dominated politics in nineteenth-century Canada, occasionally erupting into violence. While some liberal politicians and community leaders believed that equal treatment of Protestants and Catholics would defuse these ancient quarrels, other Protestant liberals perceived a battle for the soul of the nation.

Protestant Liberty offers a new interpretation of nineteenth-century liberalism by re-examining the role of religion in Canadian politics. While this era�s liberal thought is often characterized as being neutral toward religion, James Forbes argues that the origins of Canadian liberalism were firmly rooted in the British tradition of Protestantism and were based on the premise of guarding against the advance of supposedly illiberal faiths, especially Catholicism. After the union of Upper Canada with predominantly French-Catholic Lower Canada in 1840, this Protestant ideal of liberty came into conflict with a more neutral alternative that sought to strip liberalism of its religious associations in order to appeal to Catholic voters and allies. In a decisive break from their Protestant heritage, these liberals redefined their ideology in secular-materialist terms by emphasizing free trade and private property over faith and culture.

In tracing how the Confederation generation competed to establish a unifying vision for the nation, Protestant Liberty reveals religion and religious differences at the centre of this story.

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sum: Nov 15, 2010

Saddam has a lot to answer for giving Westerners an absurdly inflated view of their own military prowess
https://twitter.com/AscendedYield/status/1745944057010901414
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1746076041024516432

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Trimson Grondag 3: Jul 1, 2007; Clapping Larry

�maritime trade enjoyer� are you loving kidding me

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DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Implement universal basic income and watch those military recruitment numbers hit a nice round zero.

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Clip-On Fedora: Feb 20, 2011

sum posted:

https://twitter.com/AscendedYield/status/1745944057010901414
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1746076041024516432

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGn25URIss8

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Delta-Wye: Sep 29, 2005

john williams villain vibe for the tools of empire making me question who the baddies are :thunk:

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011324_3: Jan 14, 2024

DancingShade posted:

Implement universal basic income

that would require Leadership to know the difference between rich and poor

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Danann: Aug 4, 2013

Trimson Grondag 3 posted:

�maritime trade enjoyer� are you loving kidding me

can't even suck up their pride and wave the prc flag these days gotta be proud of their liberian flagged ship that never makes a stop in liberia for the ship's entire lifespan

# ? Jan 14, 2024 05:46

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

011324_3 posted:

that would require Leadership to know the difference between rich and poor

Just make everyone poor. It's easier.

Military service guarantees ~~citizenship~~ food. Probably.

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Trimson Grondag 3: Jul 1, 2007; Clapping Larry

Danann posted:

can't even suck up their pride and wave the prc flag these days gotta be proud of their liberian flagged ship that never makes a stop in liberia for the ship's entire lifespan

yeah it was just the name, sometimes i forget how stupid the future is and it surprises me.

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Trabisnikof: Dec 24, 2005

is there any "open source intelligence" estimate of the number of tomahawk cruise missiles expended in the last few years? or any other US missiles?

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