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cr0y posted:Lmao trump is not cool or smart enough to be involved in mob business He definitely has had involvement with the mob (both US and Russian) over the years, but I think as far as anyone can tell it was mostly just some light money laundering and new york union stuff and what not. Which yeah he was sort of a real estate guy with no ethic, makes sense. dr_rat fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Jan 14, 2024 |
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I bet you could rattle off names from The Sopranos and Trump would have to think twice before denying he ever did business with any of them.
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Lammasu posted:From what I'm reading in the news a large percentage of voters don't think Trump will actually be on the Presidential ballot. I also do not think Donald Trump will be in the ballot.
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bird food bathtub posted:Eeeeeh, New York real estate for decades? Dude's done business with the mob. From what I understand, the Mafia is the only group he didn't try and cheat. When his Atlantic City casinos went belly up he used his personal wealth to make sure the mob connected businesses got paid.
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Lammasu posted:From what I understand, the Mafia is the only group he didn't try and cheat. When his Atlantic City casinos went belly up he used his personal wealth to make sure the mob connected businesses got paid. Coward
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Jan 14, 2024 05:04
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I'm sure they had 'arrangements' and if he knew what was good for him he wouldn't screw them over.
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cr0y posted:Lmao trump is not cool or smart enough to be involved in mob business mobs and cartels absofuckinglutely love the "too dumb to" category of human and will succor them in the minute they figure out their ego buttons and vices
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Jan 14, 2024 05:08
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Trump has always had a fascination with organized crime guys and loves hanging around with them (above and beyond what was needed to do business in the NY real estate). It's part of his overall enthusiasm for Tough Guys (cops, generals, dictators, gangsters, etc).
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gregday posted:That's my feeling as well. So why the emphasis on getting a trial before the election? It's not like a conviction is going to sway the votes of any of his hog brained followers. I think your premise is faulty, in the assumption that we won't be getting to the end of trials/into sentencing by that point. They may not be able to actually pull it off but everyone other than the Trump team seems pretty drat set on running their trials in a timely manner, and if the SCOTUS doesn't put the kibosh on the whole thing then it's entirely reasonable to think we get to see what happens with a guilty verdict and possibly sentencing before election day in at least one of the cases.
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Jan 14, 2024 10:27
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Cimber posted:Yeah, there is no way a real estate/building construction guy in 1980s New York City didn't have some sort of Mafia involvement. You wanted poo poo built? You paid. You get involved in AC casinos? You loving PAID the NYC crews and the Phily crews or you got wacked. Can anyone honestly tell me that Trump wasn't corrupt enough to be involved in the Mafia? C'mon. We know he was involved in Russian organized Crime as early as 1988. Friendly reminder that Trump was denied a casino license in Australia in 1986 due to his obvious connections to the mafia: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/16/trumps-bid-for-sydney-casino-30-years-ago-rejected-due-to-mafia-connections E: Quote from the report (note the lack of words like "alleged" or "rumored): “Atlantic City would be a dubious model for Sydney and in our judgment,” police noted, according to a summary contained in government minutes. “The Trump Mafia connections should exclude the Kern/Trump consortium.” Freudian slippers fucked around with this message at 10:42 on Jan 14, 2024 |
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I expect we’re going to find out that a lot of Trump Orgs business just so happens to be laundering money through some scheme of (fake) room rentals, condo fees, dining and resort dues and the subcontracts to mob businesses for services to support that.
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Murgos posted:I expect we’re going to find out that a lot of Trump Orgs business just so happens to be laundering money through some scheme of (fake) room rentals, condo fees, dining and resort dues and the subcontracts to mob businesses for services to support that. You mean when the special master appointed by the NY courts to dissolve the Trump businesses gets his hands on the records?
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Staluigi posted:mobs and cartels absofuckinglutely love the "too dumb to" category of human and will succor them in the minute they figure out their ego buttons and vices I mean they'll definitely sucker them in but I don't think they'll provide any succor
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Just read an interesting point someone brought up elsewhere. Trump is about to get with a 200-400M fine in the NY case. (Remember, the case wasn't about establishing guilt, it was about establishing damages). To appeal in NY you must put up a bond equal to the value of the judgement or some significant fraction thereof. If Trump wants to appeal this NY case he might have to shell out 300Million just to start the appeals process. Where's he going to get that much cash? We might very well see him declare bankruptcy right before Super Tuesday.
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Could he try to get a loan against up coming campaign donations? Is that even a thing you can do? Would any bank be stupid enough to do that?
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Jan 14, 2024 15:54
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Cimber posted:Just read an interesting point someone brought up elsewhere. Trump is about to get with a 200-400M fine in the NY case. (Remember, the case wasn't about establishing guilt, it was about establishing damages). He's going to put up the deed for one of the properties he'll lose in the judgment. The tax records may show it to valued at much less, but his accountant disagrees.
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I wouldn’t be surprised if the fine was quite a bit lower than the ask. It’s supposed to be actual gains from the crime so Engoron could just decide some parts differently.
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dr_rat posted:Could he try to get a loan against up coming campaign donations? Is that even a thing you can do? Would any bank be stupid enough to do that? No, the campaign donations are for another entity, not his personal slush fund. There are laws against that sort of thing you know!
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Cimber posted:Where's he going to get that much cash? New line of NFT trading cards announced!
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Cimber posted:No, the campaign donations are for another entity, not his personal slush fund. There are laws against that sort of thing you know! Ok fine, NOW it's time to follow laws. Gonna get right on that.
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Even if he gets the money for the NYT case appeal, he’s gonna need to do the same thing for the fraud trial and the other E. Jean Carrol trial, no? That’s gonna add up real fast in the next month or two.
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BiggerBoat posted:New line of NFT trading cards announced! Money laundering has never been so easy!
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At the rate he's going, he'll perperually be in defamation trials with Caroll since he can't go a week without saying the same stuff that triggered first two trials.
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He has no money of his own. His only source for loans was Deutsche Bank, and there's waaaay too much light shining on TRump & the banks at the moment. He was persona non grata to US banks in the 80s and 90s, and my (entirely unsubstantiated) hypothesis is that it was only the rise of the oligarchs in Russia that saved his rear end and got him cash flow since real estate transactions (especially New York City) are a relatively low-risk way to launder large sums of money, and whatever else, Trump knew enough (smart people & shady lawyers) to make that happen. Deutsche Bank was up to their eyebrows in these schemes. I think there are still bombshells in there to yet be revealed.
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Hitting his pocketbook directly is nice but it's just an appetizer for the main course, which is if he and the Trump Organization gets barred from doing business in New York state. That'd be a wrecking ball right through his whole business empire.
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it's pretty clear at this point he's not gonna get convicted of any of this before the election, so when he wins and the supreme court let's him appeal it all away, then what?
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Tatsuta Age posted:it's pretty clear at this point he's not gonna get convicted of any of this before the election, so when he wins and the supreme court let's him appeal it all away, then what? https://youtu.be/aDyQxtg0V2w?si=KbAvlBtRMy03stWi
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Tatsuta Age posted:you expect me to believe California and Texas form an alliance? cmon hey Blue Texas is within reach like 1 in 4 Texans is a Californian at this point
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Tatsuta Age posted:it's pretty clear at this point he's not gonna get convicted of any of this before the election, so when he wins and the supreme court let's him appeal it all away, then what? Strong disagree that he’s 100% going to not be convicted. It doesn’t look great now, but it’s January and a lot can happen (or not) in those 9+ months. Then there’s the 14th Amendment argument which is still up in the air. Even if the SC lets him stay on the ballot, whatever they decide could still have major ramifications for the election or any of the cases ; there isn’t a stance vis a vis insurrection they can take that won’t change something in pretty major ways. But leaving all that aside, all of the cases are sufficiently delayed AND the SC somehow does a super neutral ruling on ballot access, then there’s still the election itself. Trump is doing good in the polls now as a non-Biden phantom, but actually being nominated and campaigning is going to change that a lot, probably not to his benefit. Then yeah, if he loses he’ll probably try some half-cocked Jan 6 2 : the Ides of January but it’s unclear what he can do besides a bunch of semi-stochastic terrorism. A second OKC bombing or whatever would be terrible, but it can’t really make him President.
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Murgos posted:I expect we’re going to find out that a lot of Trump Orgs business just so happens to be laundering money through some scheme of (fake) room rentals, condo fees, dining and resort dues and the subcontracts to mob businesses for services to support that. I was part of an investigation to reveal just this among all the high rises in sunny isles Florida before somebody had it shut down.
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What happened to that Qanon kid that shot the mob boss? He had a lovely lawyer that was actually trying to get him out of jail so they could run him through a meat grinder.
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Trump borrowed the money he needed for the Trump University judgement. I can’t remember how much it was (like several mil?. That’s a fricken loan and I guess it’s actually one of the lines in the NY AG’s case as he used his over-appraised properties as collateral to get it lol. He’s out of money. He took a bunch of money out of Trump org despite a court order saying not to. He will be bankrupt soon. His bet right now is surely to keep salaciously quietly moving money out of his businesses and gutting his properties so when they actually all go up for sale/receivership there’s nothing left and he still has cash to run for president. He’s hurting very, very badly.
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poo poo, I forgot about the NYT and Caroll cases that he also has to appeal. So yeah, he would need to put up bonds for all three of those cases just to appeal that, which means cash on hand. No one is going to lend him the money to do this. I would not be surprised if either he puts up the deeds for various buildings he owns as collateral or is forced to declare bankruptcy.
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Doing a bit of poking around on google, it seems that A: He has six months from the time he announces his intent to appeal to actually file the paperwork and I'm assuming issue the bond: quote:Six-Month (Abandonment) Rule. 22 NYCRR 1250.9 (a) and 1250.10 (a) provide that, except where the Court has directed that an appeal be perfected by a particular time, a civil appeal must be perfected within six months from the date of the notice of appeal or the appeal is deemed abandoned and dismissed. https://www.nycourts.gov/courts/ad4/Clerk/perfecting/ If he does not do all this within six months he will not be able to appeal any further B: The amount of the bond is 120% of the judgement: quote:The requested bond is generally an amount greater than the judgment sum—CPLR 5519 requires that post-judgment interest and cost are included in the amount. New York State has a 9% statutory interest running on any judgment entered. In New York State, we set the bond amount at 120% of the judgment. https://courtbondnow.com/bonding-procedures/appeal-bonds-101/ 120% is a hell of a lot of extra tacked on. That's going to loving SUCK for him. Him being President won't handwave all this away.
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PainterofCrap posted:He has no money of his own. His only source for loans was Deutsche Bank, and there's waaaay too much light shining on TRump & the banks at the moment. Deutsche Bank has always been dirty as poo poo, but what indication do we have that their laundry will ever come to air? I still want to know what Trump told Tony Kennedy that shocked him so much, as they walked away from the dais.
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Cimber posted:120% is a hell of a lot of extra tacked on. That's going to loving SUCK for him. Him being President won't handwave all this away. That 9% interest isn’t so great either if you end up losing the appeal.
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Trump is running for president to ensure he has a house to live in for 4 more years
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Lammasu posted:What happened to that Qanon kid that shot the mob boss? He had a lovely lawyer that was actually trying to get him out of jail so they could run him through a meat grinder. In 2020, he was declared incompetent to stand trial. Apparently, as of March 2022, the status of the case was "unclear," because the court records were sealed following the finding of incompetence and neither defense nor prosecution were allowed to discuss it: https://www.silive.com/crime-safety...ons-remain.html
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