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YOLOsubmarine posted:What’s the point of this hypothetical? He’s having probably the best rookie QB season ever, it’s safe to say he’s probably pretty good irrespective of his coaching. I'm just thinking of rebuttals as my family of Panther fans are in my ear non-stop for preaching about Stroud early. He's a drat good player.
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A Sneaker Broker posted:Does Stroud even put up the same numbers if he were a Panther? Because I would argue Bobby Slowik is helping Stroud out more than anything. He really was lucky to go to the second worst NFL team.
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whos that broooown posted:He really was lucky to go to the second worst NFL team. Lovie Smith is forever in the hearts of Texans fans for deciding to win that worthless game.
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A Sneaker Broker posted:Lovie Smith is forever in the hearts of Texans fans for deciding to win that worthless game. From what I've seen it sounds like Houston still would have taken Stroud
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IcePhoenix posted:From what I've seen it sounds like Houston still would have taken Stroud It's just wild to me that the entire Panthers brass (at the time) was deadset on Stroud, and their impatient bastard of an owner decided, "Nah. I want the Bama boy."
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A Sneaker Broker posted:It's just wild to me that the entire Panthers brass (at the time) was deadset on Stroud, and their impatient bastard of an owner's wife decided, "Nah. I want the Bama boy."
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A Sneaker Broker posted:I'm just thinking of rebuttals as my family of Panther fans are in my ear non-stop for preaching about Stroud early. He's a drat good player. The coaching is good, but it’s not why he’s got the most insane touch on balls thrown with an incredibly quick windup. Like Stroud on any team this year might not have had this level of success but those two parts would’ve had people stoked about him regardless
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Relentlessboredomm posted:The coaching is good, but it’s not why he’s got the most insane touch on balls thrown with an incredibly quick windup. Like Stroud on any team this year might not have had this level of success but those two parts would’ve had people stoked about him regardless Yeah, even if Carolina had ended up with the same record with Stroud at the helm but he was showing half of what he's showing now, the conversation about the future of the Panthers is entirely different than the current "this team is turbofucked" discourse we're been engaged in for weeks now
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After just one year I can think of several young, highly touted QB prospects I'd trade for Stroud right now. Ignoring the most obvious ones (Wilson, Young, Murray, Tua, etc.), do you trade Trevor Lawrence, Justin Herbert, Jalen Hurts or even Josh Allen to Houston if you're the GM and the Texans would do it? I think he's already better than Trevor and Hurts.
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I'd think the answer to every single one is yes in theory; if only to reset the clock on a rookie QB deal to spend elsewhere to try and push over the top
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Herbert and Allen are the only names I hesitated on, and it'd take a significant sophomore slump next year to make those questionable
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Canopus250 posted:I'd think the answer to every single one is yes in theory; if only to reset the clock on a rookie QB deal to spend elsewhere to try and push over the top So any other QB or just the ones I listed? Ignoring age, contracts and poo poo and just straight up trades based on what we know right now, how long is the hypothetical list? Lawrence, Burrow, Herbert, Prescott, Hurts, Jackson..?
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Of those you listed. I don't think the Bills/Chargers ever would, but its hard to overstate how good being on a rookie QB contract is right now edit: read what you said more closely and I'd think it's 20 teams easily: NYJ, NYG, NE, CLE, PIT, Jags, Colts, Titans, Denver, LV, WSH, MIN, CHI, all of the NFC South, and the NFC West minus the Niners probably From there I'd also think Eagles and Miami might consider it, but I don't know how much those teams would rather stick with their guys they already know Canopus250 fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Jan 14, 2024 |
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Canopus250 posted:Of those you listed. I don't think the Bills/Chargers ever would, but its hard to overstate how good being on a rookie QB contract is right now Yeah, I tried to leave out the obvious ones (Jets, Giants, Vikings, etc.). I think SF trades Purdy straight up?
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I got a qb I’d trade for CJ stroud.
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FizFashizzle posted:I got a qb I’d trade for CJ stroud. Why don't you believe in Andey?
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FizFashizzle posted:I got a qb I’d trade for CJ stroud. it's a little early for April Fools, sir, now stop pointing at that kicker and show me this QB
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BiggerBoat posted:After just one year I can think of several young, highly touted QB prospects I'd trade for Stroud right now. Herbert and Allen are top 5 guys they don't belong lumped in with any of those other guys. I like Stroud but I wouldn't go from Herbert or Allen to him
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Nodoze posted:Herbert and Allen are top 5 guys they don't belong lumped in with any of those other guys. Yeah that’s two different questions. Is CJ better than Hurts and Lawrence? Yeah probably. Is he good enough and the cap space important eno if not trade him for two guys that are the best in the league and have proven it across multiple seasons, one of which who has done it with questionable coaching at best. yeah nah
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The players I would trade Stroud for at this time: Josh Allen Joe Burrow Lamar Jackson Patrick Mahomes Justin Herbert That's it. For a rookie, that's insane.
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Stroud has a won a playoff game, I'll take him over Herbert
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If you treated the NFL like a Madden simulation, Stroud would be the single most valuable player. The Bills would probably be better with Stroud and Tee Higgins and tons of money over the next three years than they will be with Allen and his contract.
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Kirios posted:The players I would trade Stroud for at this time: And you can make a real argument that not to trade Stroud for these guys based on ookie contract value and the unknowns of moving to a new team. Texans are in a real good spot.
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Yeah there are absolutely a bunch of QBs I'd take over Stroud if I needed to play a game tomorrow. But if I just became the General Manager of a team this second, Stroud is, without question, the most valuable asset you can have. An elite level QB entering the 2nd year of his rookie contract. Thats unfathomable.
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Not that it should matter at all but I understand how someone like tepper could have been put off by speaking with CJ stroud. Conversely I can see how Bryce’s insincere corporate bullshit would have gone straight to his heart.
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FizFashizzle posted:Not that it should matter at all but I understand how someone like tepper could have been put off by speaking with CJ stroud. It’s an evil world we live in. I hope some day all Panther’s fans are freed from the shackles of David Tepper. But yeah, I’ll say Stroud is a Top 5 QB in the league right now.
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I'm still in awe of how insane the Texans turnaround has been this year, even outside of Stroud they got a bunch of talent and DeMeco is a legit good coach. Happy for Texans fans and honestly happy for the rest of us as NFL fans bc holy poo poo Stroud is so much fun to watch. I hope they somehow win the next round too just to make this an even more insane year
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I hope they win the Super Bowl and right after thanking his lord and savior Jesus Christ he looks right at the camera and calls David Tepper a stupid, old bitch.
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It’s genuinely impressive what the Texans have done, and how quickly they prove yet again that if your QB is that dude you’re going to do well. It’s why I’m still iffy on a qb a lot of folks call elite - he just seems to crumble at the end - but seeing a guy like Stroud come in immediately and dominate… it’s fun and annoying. As a fan of a team hitched to mediocrity from a bama Qb I honestly feel panthers fans pain
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We've never even had a young QB who could consistently deliver mediocrity. It's rough. I see what the Texans and Bengals and Bills and Chiefs and Chargers got and I'm jealous. Baker's cool and all but he's a 2-3 season stopgap at most
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Amy Pole Her posted:It’s genuinely impressive what the Texans have done, and how quickly they prove yet again that if your QB is that dude you’re going to do well. Who, Herbie? Or Trevor?
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FizFashizzle posted:I hope they win the Super Bowl and right after thanking his lord and savior Jesus Christ he looks right at the camera and calls David Tepper a stupid, old bitch. 
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I hope Tepper buys the Hornets and announces his new partner George Shinn and a thousand years of darkness falls upon Charlotte.
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AndrewP posted:Who, Herbie? Or Trevor? Lol i was going to say Burrow but now you’ve got me thinking
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Amy Pole Her posted:Lol i was going to say Burrow but now you’ve got me thinking What….?
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Amy Pole Her posted:Lol i was going to say Burrow but now you’ve got me thinking wait what
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I think Herbie is better than Burrow. Is that really that controversial? I genuinely didn’t realize. For some reason the shine came off burrow in my mind. I think he’s got a much better system, too. Maybe 2024 proves me wrong?
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C. Everett Koop posted:I hope Tepper buys the Hornets and announces his new partner George Shinn and a thousand years of darkness falls upon Charlotte. The Hornets are bad enough already, they don't need the extra help
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Amy Pole Her posted:I think Herbie is better than Burrow. Is that really that controversial? I genuinely didn’t realize. For some reason the shine came off burrow in my mind. I think he’s got a much better system, too. Maybe 2024 proves me wrong? I’m confused at the idea that Burrow crumbles in the end? He‘s had some pretty good performances in big games. Unless you mean his body, which is constantly crumbling, I don’t think that’s a particularly good description.
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I consider Joe Burrow the best QB in the NFL so yeah I think that’s not a great take, even if Herbert is Top 5.
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