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Basic Poster
May 11, 2015

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Urethane posted:

Are you on the "ASIO" audio mode with it? As far as I can tell this is the only one that can get down to low enough latency not to notice.

Well, the “AISO” driver is the input driver selected in ableton and then whatever the latest installable firmware driver is from focusright.


E: not sure why I didn’t think of this but I could probably just call sweetwater tech support. Have spent a fair amount there and they always seem happy to help.

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Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

I had a similar latency issue with my positive grid spark amplifier in interface mode.

While I solved the problem, I ended up just using it to record into garage band on my iPad Pro instead because that's the only time I need to interface with a computer.

Kevin Bacon
Sep 22, 2010

been obsessed with sam wilke's playing in lous cole's "thinking" live sesh thing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMI1iU7VgyI)

so i decided to spend my entire night trying to cover it as close as i could get it. after spending literal hours scrutinizing and listening over and over, i THINK i have a pretty good idea of what he is doing. during the first 30 seconds. lol. dude plays so tight and close to the vocals it's super hard to tell sometimes.

here is my one decent take: https://voca.ro/1ko8J6MkPr0p

the original puts me to shame, but i guess i am not unhappy about how close i am - though it only now dawned on me i am playing the arpeggios in the fill way too hard. also general slop.

feel free to scrutinize and tell me im doing it wrong. feel like im getting some tunnel vision

for fucks sake
Jan 23, 2016

Kevin Bacon posted:

so i decided to spend my entire night trying to cover it as close as i could get it. after spending literal hours scrutinizing and listening over and over, i THINK i have a pretty good idea of what he is doing. during the first 30 seconds. lol. dude plays so tight and close to the vocals it's super hard to tell sometimes.

here is my one decent take: https://voca.ro/1ko8J6MkPr0p

the original puts me to shame, but i guess i am not unhappy about how close i am - though it only now dawned on me i am playing the arpeggios in the fill way too hard. also general slop.

feel free to scrutinize and tell me im doing it wrong. feel like im getting some tunnel vision

Sounds good to me! The timing sounds pretty tricky but I think you're very close. The one thing I'd say you could work on is the dynamics, while the notes are on time they don't all have the right velocity.

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine
Any thoughts in this thread on Ariane Cap's Music Theory for the Bass Player for a beginner supplement (I am just getting started through Studybass.com, recommended previously in this thread)?

I've been taking classical piano for a couple years and played wind instruments many years ago, but my theory has already been weak. I'm starting bass because 1) bass is cool and good and 2) I think it will really help me develop rhythm, improvisation, and take a narrower dive into theory (vs piano which is just an immediate fire hose of information).

Based on that, a bass-focused theory book seems appealing - but if it's no good or if Studybass.com will keep me covered on that front for a while, I'd like to know.

for fucks sake
Jan 23, 2016

I have a copy, it's a good book and Ariane is a great teacher.

Basic Poster
May 11, 2015

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Kevin Bacon posted:

been obsessed with sam wilke's playing


feel free to scrutinize and tell me im doing it wrong. feel like im getting some tunnel vision

I try to stay up on cole’s fun projects but I haven’t heard this one. If you didn’t tell me you tracked bass over the top I would not have guessed. Super jealous of your tone and to my ears that sounds like a mighty tight pocket. Great job.

Basic Poster
May 11, 2015

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Discussion Quorum posted:

Based on that, a bass-focused theory book seems appealing - but if it's no good or if Studybass.com will keep me covered on that front for a while, I'd like to know.

I don’t have it. But I think it was this or the theory thread that recommended years ago this:


https://www.howmusicreallyworks.com

You can get in on amazon too but this is author direct. Its not a “bass theory” book as such but theory also doesn’t need to be split into register focus. Production and arranging might but theory is theory is theory.

I think some folks take some issue with my recommendation because of some of the origin stuff he ascribes to human music development over the eons but after reading a lot of theory books, this one for me (and several other goons I am aware of) this one finally made it click. Its a bit of a paperweight but reads incredibly fast and full of useful things that are easy to reference back to.

The last maybe 20-30% of it is about how to transcribe and chart structure in a way thats a bit atypical but super useful to make sense of the workings of your favorite compositions.

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine
Yeah, I saw your review of that in the theory thread (from a forum search for "Ariane Cap", oddly enough I couldn't find the actual post I was searching for) and plan to check it out. First six chapters are free and I definitely plan to check it out.

I get that "theory" itself is universal, but what I'm looking for is something with targeted exercises. Like, I can look up the intervals of a phrygian scale or reason out the notes of a C diminished sharp 9 flat 11 triple axel with chocolate syrup. Where I need help is "how would I, a player of [instrument] make use of [this concept] when playing [style]" with some exercises to reinforce.

Maybe I'm overthinking it, but I'll give the free thing a shot first!

for fucks sake
Jan 23, 2016

Another thing you can do to help with theory is transcribe some James Jamerson, then think about what function each note plays. Is it a chord tone? A scalar approach note? A chromatic approach note?

The Wiggly Wizard
Aug 21, 2008


Discussion Quorum posted:

Yeah, I saw your review of that in the theory thread (from a forum search for "Ariane Cap", oddly enough I couldn't find the actual post I was searching for) and plan to check it out. First six chapters are free and I definitely plan to check it out.

I get that "theory" itself is universal, but what I'm looking for is something with targeted exercises. Like, I can look up the intervals of a phrygian scale or reason out the notes of a C diminished sharp 9 flat 11 triple axel with chocolate syrup. Where I need help is "how would I, a player of [instrument] make use of [this concept] when playing [style]" with some exercises to reinforce.

Maybe I'm overthinking it, but I'll give the free thing a shot first!

Agree you should transcribe a lot of stuff. Little riffs, entire songs, melodies, bass lines, it's all helpful. Especially anything you can find chords changes for. The answers to the "why" you're seeking will manifest over time.

Basic Poster
May 11, 2015

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If you can read music, and are just looking for a book of exercises and etudes, there are a billion out there by genre, they’re all fine. I prefer the ones that are generated by some text program as supposed to hand written (kinda tough on the eyes).

If you can’t or don’t want to, all the youtube bass guys have some version of “do this every day to master thing” thing being major scales or triads, w/e.

They all tend to do whatever thing is by a cycle of fourths progression starting at C which is useful and worthwhile for a bunch of reasons.

Also kind of a fun activity to do is to “make your own” muse score is free and workable. You can make sheet music for all twelve keys in major and the modes bast on major and the same for melodic and harmonic minor and stick it in a tablet or printed in a binder.

Its a churn and burn deal but will probably come bearing lots if surprise gifts. Basically forces you to work out by hand whats going on everywhere.

Past a certain point (some of the more advanced technique stuff not withstanding) you sort of have to develop your own curriculum based off of your needs and wants. At that point you just decide if you want to work on frets of fury or repertoire and in what amounts.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
Help I watched some videos of that hideous Jackson Rickenbacker copy and now I want one. It sounds good and the powder blue with matching headstock actually looks nice. I had been researching what kind of cheap parts bass I could assemble to get as Ric of a sound possible and stumbled on that

Kevin Bacon
Sep 22, 2010

for fucks sake posted:

Sounds good to me! The timing sounds pretty tricky but I think you're very close. The one thing I'd say you could work on is the dynamics, while the notes are on time they don't all have the right velocity.

yea thats a good shout on the dynamics. thanks for the feedback!

Basic Poster posted:

I try to stay up on cole’s fun projects but I haven’t heard this one. If you didn’t tell me you tracked bass over the top I would not have guessed. Super jealous of your tone and to my ears that sounds like a mighty tight pocket. Great job.

wow thanks so much! you humble me! tone-wise thats a squier cv 60s pbass (which has really impressed me lol, i cant put it down) with labella ltf through an aguilar tone hammer D with a bit of overdrive, with kinda heavy compression in my daw


speaking of tone though, how does sam wilkes get his insanely crisp and snappy tone? obviously technique, and he uses rounds, tone open i imagine. OD and a lot of compression? anything else?

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Kevin Bacon posted:

speaking of tone though, how does sam wilkes get his insanely crisp and snappy tone? obviously technique, and he uses rounds, tone open i imagine. OD and a lot of compression? anything else?

Generally speaking, you bury the low mids and slam the upper mids, I think?

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

Wowporn posted:

Help I watched some videos of that hideous Jackson Rickenbacker copy and now I want one. It sounds good and the powder blue with matching headstock actually looks nice. I had been researching what kind of cheap parts bass I could assemble to get as Ric of a sound possible and stumbled on that

they're just a rickenbacker-ish pick guard on a pretty standard P/J setup guitar?

Thats the only overlap with an actual 4001/3

Edit: I guess a single coil J pickup is technically the same as a single coil in a rickenbacker but there's nothing specific about it that's gonna make it sound like a rickenbacker.

Buy a couple of used pickups from an actual 4001/3 if you want the tone.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

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Laserface posted:

they're just a rickenbacker-ish pick guard on a pretty standard P/J setup guitar?

Thats the only overlap with an actual 4001/3

Edit: I guess a single coil J pickup is technically the same as a single coil in a rickenbacker but there's nothing specific about it that's gonna make it sound like a rickenbacker.

Buy a couple of used pickups from an actual 4001/3 if you want the tone.

According to weirdos on other forums an important factor is pickup location, the neck pickup on a Rick is noticeably further from the bridge relative to it's scale length than it is on most other basses with neck pickups, landing where the 24th fret would go if it had one. Case in point, this lunatic's 4 pickup jazz bass (he also added a bridge to where the 36th fret would be but that seemed less important)

https://modwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=188208

Makes me wanna try getting one of those Epiphone eb0 basses no one likes and replacing the comically square humbucker with a P pickup since it is jammed right up to the neck

Schwza
Apr 28, 2008
Pickup position is the most important part of "tone", imo. Especially if you are attempting to mimic the sound of an established design.

The Leck
Feb 27, 2001

Wowporn posted:

According to weirdos on other forums an important factor is pickup location, the neck pickup on a Rick is noticeably further from the bridge relative to it's scale length than it is on most other basses with neck pickups, landing where the 24th fret would go if it had one. Case in point, this lunatic's 4 pickup jazz bass (he also added a bridge to where the 36th fret would be but that seemed less important)

https://modwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=188208

Makes me wanna try getting one of those Epiphone eb0 basses no one likes and replacing the comically square humbucker with a P pickup since it is jammed right up to the neck
I feel like I must have gotten this video from this thread, but it's worth posting again - lots of pickup positions and combinations, compared! And the 24th fret position is where the strat and les paul neck pickups go, so I'm honestly a little surprised it's not a standard bass placement too, since it's a nice number at 1/4 of the scale length.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTc2vdkPM0w

Basic Poster
May 11, 2015

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Wowporn posted:

According to weirdos on other forums an important factor is pickup location, the neck pickup on a Rick is noticeably further from the bridge relative to it's scale length than it is on most other basses with neck pickups, landing where the 24th fret would go if it had one. Case in point, this lunatic's 4 pickup jazz bass (he also added a bridge to where the 36th fret would be but that seemed less important)

https://modwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=188208

Makes me wanna try getting one of those Epiphone eb0 basses no one likes and replacing the comically square humbucker with a P pickup since it is jammed right up to the neck

Lol glad to see that website was finally bullied into changing their horrible name


E: These guys make a guitar with a pickup you can rearrange at will.

https://versoinstruments.com/cosmo-guitar/

Dang It Bhabhi!
May 27, 2004



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Pickup most important factors:

Resonant peak, Q-factor and location of the pickup. That’s it.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

Educate. Agitate. Liberate.

Basic Poster posted:

Lol glad to see that website was finally bullied into changing their horrible name


E: These guys make a guitar with a pickup you can rearrange at will.

https://versoinstruments.com/cosmo-guitar/

Holy poo poo, adjustable pickups is a rad idea!

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

Wowporn posted:

According to weirdos on other forums an important factor is pickup location, the neck pickup on a Rick is noticeably further from the bridge relative to it's scale length than it is on most other basses with neck pickups, landing where the 24th fret would go if it had one. Case in point, this lunatic's 4 pickup jazz bass (he also added a bridge to where the 36th fret would be but that seemed less important)

https://modwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=188208

Makes me wanna try getting one of those Epiphone eb0 basses no one likes and replacing the comically square humbucker with a P pickup since it is jammed right up to the neck

interesting. my 4003s' pick ups are in the correct place (obviously), but I noticed my custom Thunderbirds neck pickup is also in the 24th fret position (although its a Bartolini Thunderbird humbucker). the bridge pickup is extremely close to the bridge too. looks about half the distance vs. my other basses. The pickup positions actually look similar to the more modern iterations of the Thunderbird (further apart), although my buddy and I built this 20 years ago with nothing more than a trace outline from some dudes epiphone so maybe Gibson is taking notes.

my Dillion rickenbacker copy has one of those big Mudbucker square pickups at the 24th fret too, and a regular humbucker at the bridge. it sounds pretty different to the 4003, plays super different too since the neck is skinnier than a Jazz.

my Aerodyne jazz is just P/J but in the usual P/J spots so it sounds like, you guessed it, a P or J (or both!)

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph

Basic Poster posted:

Lol glad to see that website was finally bullied into changing their horrible name


E: These guys make a guitar with a pickup you can rearrange at will.

https://versoinstruments.com/cosmo-guitar/

Those are cool as poo poo, will never in this life justify shelling out that much for one but I am glad headless multiscale are not the only futuristic guitars happening

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
Probly gonna end up getting a cheap jazz or P/J bass and just migrating the neck pickup up to the "correct" spot

Basic Poster
May 11, 2015

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Im gonna get suitably high tonight and teach myself a new song. Ive got stuck in the spot where I realized Ive been playing the same 60 songs for repertoire practice for like a year and a half and its time to stretch myself.

I am going to commit to spending the weekend (since its -11 outside) to learning this song that has always felt beyond my personal reach, videoing the results and posting in the thread by monday.

Please consider this a friendly invitation to do the same.

https://youtu.be/3q3PsoWbW9I?si=PPfRq3YYs5tLEsA-

Kevin Bacon
Sep 22, 2010

hell yea! that song is sick. good choice

stoked to see the results! have fun!

id join you but i refuse to teach myself how to slap lol (nothing against slapping when its called for)

DrChu
May 14, 2002

Wowporn posted:

Probly gonna end up getting a cheap jazz or P/J bass and just migrating the neck pickup up to the "correct" spot
You'd have to move the J pickup as well, since the bridge pickup in a PJ will be way closer to the bridge than the bridge pickup in a Ric. I just checked mine, and the pole pieces in the Ric correspond to the bottom edge of the treble side of the split P pickup on a standard Precision bass. I used the harmonic directly above the bridge pickup in the Ric as the reference and found the corresponding location on the Precision, since Rics have a slightly shorter scale length.

edit: you'd be better off getting a regular Precision bass, a Jazz pickup, and a blank pickguard, and then have at it with a router.

DrChu fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Jan 14, 2024

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
I am forseeing some pieces of wood off ebay and a handful of electronic stuff from guitar fetish in my future

Or, while chasing this stupid white whale I ran across this...
https://reverb.com/item/28546490-sx-ursa-4-mn-pj-alder-pbu-bass-guitar

It's a cheap SX jaguar bass (made by Rondo?) with a p/j setup, but the pickup placement is way different from any Fender style PJ i've seen. The neck P starts around where the 24th fret would be and the bridge J pickup isn't perfect but it's way further from the bridge than it is on the Fender p/j jaguar. I am not super familiar with SX but from what I understand Rondo stuff is usually regarded as being okay quality for a beginner instrument? I would not be upset if I ended up wanting to change the pickups, pots and maybe tuners but if the neck sucked rear end that would give me pause. It looks cheap but I love some fuckin surf green offset w/torte guard. Does not help there is zero video on the internet of this bass being played.

Basic Poster
May 11, 2015

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Have you looked into Harley Benton? I think they’re pretty broadly considered the best at that price point and a good entry if you plan to tinker on it.

Id definitely avoid ebay though. There is a lot of fake things there and scam storefronts with less and less moderation all the time. Reverb is much better. Musicians friend also has used items if you can tolerate their website.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Just got my first Classic Vibes 70s P bass. Feels like the bass I always should have been playing. So bright, yet has such a great bass sound. It's loving lovely.

java
May 7, 2005

Shageletic posted:

Just got my first Classic Vibes 70s P bass. Feels like the bass I always should have been playing. So bright, yet has such a great bass sound. It's loving lovely.

I bought one of these about six months ago and I absolutely love it.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
Did you get the walnut finish or the wrong one

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Lol the wrong one?



Looks punk as gently caress tho

E: the strap is temporary

Dang It Bhabhi!
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Was going to get the walnut 70s CV to match my walnut 70s CV Strat but got the white 60s CV and it is awesome and I am happy.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

Educate. Agitate. Liberate.

Dang It Bhabhi! posted:

Was going to get the walnut 70s CV to match my walnut 70s CV Strat but got the white 60s CV and it is awesome and I am happy.

Yeah I got the white CV 60s P Bass, it's great. I put flats on it for all my Motown needs.

But my CV 70s Jazz is still my workhorse.

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gently caress I need a Jazz Bass, don’t I? My gf mentioned getting one in a pink burst and I actually had a hard time finding one for sale, let alone for less than a bazillion dollars.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
Jazz Bass, P-Bass, 5 string, fretless.

Pick two, only the fretless and jazz can overlap so you can cheat there.

The Leck
Feb 27, 2001

I got the gold on black squier 40th anniversary p bass to complement my J Mascis Jazzmaster, and it it wonderful.

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Captain Splendid
Jan 7, 2009

Qu'en pense Caffarelli?

Bottom Liner posted:

Jazz Bass, P-Bass, 5 string, fretless.

Pick two, only the fretless and jazz can overlap so you can cheat there.

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