|
LegendaryFrog posted:Surprising nobody, Vivek Ramaswamy just dropped out of the race and endorsed Trump. Vivek, Vivek, rhymes with “pull up stakes”
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 05:29
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 23, 2024 20:18 |
|
|
LegendaryFrog posted:Surprising nobody, Vivek Ramaswamy just dropped out of the race and endorsed Trump. Well, it's a surprise to somebody...  I mean, he could be right, everyone was expecting Vivek to get nothing. Also, good riddance. I hated seeing this guy's rat face everywhere when everyone knew he'd be gone early in the primary.
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 05:29
|
|
|
Kalit posted:It was with regards to what "modern right-wing candidate" meant in this point: Thanks for the added context. Also, I swear I’m not trying to pick on you, but Elon Musk isn’t eligible to be president.
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 05:34
|
|
|
Five Year Plan posted:Thanks for the added context. Also, I swear I’m not trying to pick on you, but Elon Musk isn’t eligible to be president. Oh, right, fair enough. I was just trying to come up with names off the top of my head and forgot he wasn't a natural born citizen.
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 05:35
|
|
|
LegendaryFrog posted:Surprising nobody, Vivek Ramaswamy just dropped out of the race and endorsed Trump. The Nerevarine always gets his. Pity we didn't get another game on the level of Morrowind out of it.
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 05:41
|
|
|
LegendaryFrog posted:Surprising nobody, Vivek Ramaswamy just dropped out of the race and endorsed Trump. He blew $17 million of his own money on this. Not gonna bankrupt him, unfortunately, but that's a few less mansions or yachts he can buy.
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 06:09
|
|
|
Vivek got exactly what he wanted: a permanent invitation to the right wing griftosphere.
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 06:10
|
|
|
Young Freud posted:
I'm predicting he won't really come back either. I think he'll try but end up like Andrew Yang, just another rich dipshit nerd who thought being rich makes up for being a dipshit nerd. Also I'm glad, he's a real POS in a way that Yang definitely isn't and I hate him.
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 06:10
|
|
|
Kalit posted:I guess I meant in terms of elected presidents, as that's what was being discussed. There has only been 2 republican ones in between Reagan and Trump. I mean in the context of the discussion that's a completely useless measure. The nature of politics means that many things can change drastically within a single president's term. Like say a once in a 100 year pandemic, or a terrorist attack that causes an entire country to lose its loving mind.
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 06:20
|
|
|
FLIPADELPHIA posted:I'm predicting he won't really come back either. I think he'll try but end up like Andrew Yang, just another rich dipshit nerd who thought being rich makes up for being a dipshit nerd. Also I'm glad, he's a real POS in a way that Yang definitely isn't and I hate him. But he’ll hang around in the Alex Jones weird-loser grifter space. Not relevant but hauntingly revolting. Like the ghost of a fart.
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 06:41
|
|
|
Main Paineframe posted:Flamed out spectacularly? DeSantis has never lost an election. Sure, he's likely to lose the presidential primary against Trump, but it's not really shocking that the guy running against Trump doesn't capture Trump voters quite as well as Trump himself does. That's a problem a lot of the far-right presidential aspirants have - stealing away the MAGA vote from the guy who literally invented MAGA is a tough task. I apologize, I did mean in the "will this person fondle the nuclear football" sense. Ron, as far as I can see, bet his hand on this round of the POTUS race, and particularly on being the Trumpier Trump that ever curb-stomped a Disney star, and that didn't go well. "If Trump just up and died" seems like the major campaign strategy for a lot the Chris Christies this turn around, but he hasn't so far. There is another year to go at it, admittedly.
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 07:14
|
|
|
They all hoped trump would be in jail by now so they could run on pardoning him
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 07:20
|
|
|
Rappaport posted:I apologize, I did mean in the "will this person fondle the nuclear football" sense. Ron, as far as I can see, bet his hand on this round of the POTUS race, and particularly on being the Trumpier Trump that ever curb-stomped a Disney star, and that didn't go well. I think DeSantis has potential as a Trump successor. But there's no way a Trump successor can win against Trump himself. The best DeSantis can possibly hope for is inheriting Trump's base after Trump himself dies or becomes incapable of running. This is a guy who aired campaign ads of himself reading "Art of the Deal" to his kids. He can follow Trump, but he can't surpass Trump. But when Trump is gone, his base won't vanish.
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 07:27
|
|
|
Main Paineframe posted:I think DeSantis has potential as a Trump successor. But there's no way a Trump successor can win against Trump himself. The best DeSantis can possibly hope for is inheriting Trump's base after Trump himself dies or becomes incapable of running. This is a guy who aired campaign ads of himself reading "Art of the Deal" to his kids. He can follow Trump, but he can't surpass Trump. Right, but that was the Joke (trademark) for Ron this cycle. Trump was meant to vanish, but he didn't, or hasn't so far, and Ron's cruelty ended up being the single point. And him snubbing the pubbie apparatus along his way didn't help, either. If you think I am arguing for some kind of Trump-Sonderweg, I'm not, he's just still there, right now, winning a primary. What the US voting populace does once he is gone is anyone's guess, but it seems like the Haileys and Santises guessed four years too early, right now.
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 07:36
|
|
|
A lot of people stopped even thinking about how trump isn't even participating in the debates, like they've already mentally normalized the thing where he doesn't even show his face and lets these suckups gently caress around with each other because it doesn't matter and the heart of conservatism here is simply owned by trump full stop
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 08:49
|
|
|
it's just another season of The Apprentice, everyone's sitting around waiting to see who trump makes his VP
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 09:12
|
|
|
Main Paineframe posted:I think DeSantis has potential as a Trump successor. But there's no way a Trump successor can win against Trump himself. The best DeSantis can possibly hope for is inheriting Trump's base after Trump himself dies or becomes incapable of running. This is a guy who aired campaign ads of himself reading "Art of the Deal" to his kids. He can follow Trump, but he can't surpass Trump. Had potential, maybe. He lost it when he betrayed the big Don. You just need to read the Freep thread to see how long they nurse grudges over things like this. Remember when it was Ted Cruz? Exactly.
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 09:19
|
|
|
 Pepperidge farms remembers.
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 09:25
|
|
|
TheDisreputableDog posted:The “basket of deplorables” strategy backfired in 2016, why would it be more effective this time? Because Biden is more popular and people are taking trump seriously this time. This isn’t 2016 lol. Calling trump voters that support homophobia, racism, anti trans laws, and anti abortion laws ‘deplorables’ was correct then and 100 times more correct now.
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 10:40
|
|
|
Dpulex posted:Because Biden is more popular and people are taking trump seriously this time. This isn’t 2016 lol. More popular? Biden has the lowest approval ratings of any president in fifteen years, lower than Trump ever managed: quote:Among all adults, Biden's approval rating is just 33% in this poll, worse than Trump's low as president (36%) and the lowest since George W. Bush from 2006-2008. Fifty-eight percent disapprove of Biden's work. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-tops-opponents-biden-hits-new-low-approval/story?id=106335244 I don’t think insulting the supporters of one’s political opponent is an effective way to win elections, as evidenced by Hillary’s loss to Donald Trump, but hey maybe this time will be different
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 13:13
|
|
|
Main Paineframe posted:I think DeSantis has potential as a Trump successor. But there's no way a Trump successor can win against Trump himself. The best DeSantis can possibly hope for is inheriting Trump's base after Trump himself dies or becomes incapable of running. This is a guy who aired campaign ads of himself reading "Art of the Deal" to his kids. He can follow Trump, but he can't surpass Trump. If Trump loses in November, it will probably erode his base pretty significantly. It's hard to justify backing a two time loser whose whole schtick is winning.
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 13:22
|
|
|
Shooting Blanks posted:If Trump loses in November, it will probably erode his base pretty significantly. It's hard to justify backing a two time loser whose whole schtick is winning. Nah a lot of these folks will vote for him as long as he's alive (and possibly after he isn't). They'll just say it was stolen again.
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 13:28
|
|
|
Bellmaker posted:Nah a lot of these folks will vote for him as long as he's alive (and possibly after he isn't). They'll just say it was stolen again. Yeah but when their golden god becomes a serial loser and shits the bed for them for 4 whole years, they feel like losers too and a lot of their mob zealot poo poo just sputters out like waste heat. Demoralization works in so many ways against vote cohesion
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 14:14
|
|
|
I don't think that's true but I guess neither of us will find out since he's going to sail into victory.
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 14:29
|
|
|
Staluigi posted:Yeah but when their golden god becomes a serial loser and shits the bed for them for 4 whole years, they feel like losers too and a lot of their mob zealot poo poo just sputters out like waste heat. Demoralization works in so many ways against vote cohesion He's been objectively making GBS threads the bed for decades now. If someone hasn't seen it by now they never will. As long as the right people are hurt by his policy.
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 14:35
|
|
|
Being a 1 term president due to losing a reelection is already a pretty notable failure as far as presidents go nowadays.
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 14:42
|
|
|
koolkal posted:Being a 1 term president due to losing a reelection is already a pretty notable failure as far as presidents go nowadays. It happened to LBJ, Carter and HW Bush so not that crazy really - 3 of the last 10 presidents E: sorry forgot Ford like everyone does, so 4 of the last 11 Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Jan 16, 2024 |
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 14:44
|
|
|
koolkal posted:Being a 1 term president due to losing a reelection is already a pretty notable failure as far as presidents go nowadays. Now you're just being obsequious. Do I have to point to the Air Bud poster on the wall of DnD?
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 14:47
|
|
|
The Top G posted:More popular? Biden has the lowest approval ratings of any president in fifteen years, lower than Trump ever managed: Of course, there have also been worse polls for Biden's approval than 33%, certain online polls that are at least respectable enough for G. Elliott Morris to include in the 538 poll average have had him in the 28-30% range. So, let's just big picture it for a second.(Green line is Biden, black line is Trump.)  He's basically as popular as Trump, and his popularity has not changed very much at any point since January of The only time when his approval ratings rose significantly was in the summer and fall of 2022, when his average went up from around the 38-39% it is now and topped 43%. So we can infer campaigns are good for Democrats (/bad for Republicans), and be glad that there is going to be one and that it hasn't really started yet. Like, there's a zillion polls, so as long as Biden's popularity is roughly constant, there will, via normal statistical variation, always be one where he just set a new personal low mark. I mean, as long as we're cherry picking why not cite the Rasmussen likely voter poll that has has him at 45%, and had him as high as 49% at points in 2023? ...I would also like to reiterate my complete bafflement that people who claim to be leftists appear so gleeful that Joe Biden is unpopular, when the reasons people cite are "crime [blacks] and immigration [hispanics]," and not "lack of communism," and when the people who disapprove of him and demand his replacement are overwhelmingly right wing, and the chief alternative is a fascist. It's almost literally unbelievable that somebody on the left would react to Biden struggling this way. Of course, nobody has outwardly expressed glee in this thread in recent discussions, and I don't want to strawman anybody. But honestly... it does not seem very subtle sometimes, to me. Of course, if anybody would like to "own" being gleeful and defend it as a reaction, that's a discussion we can have. The Top G posted:I don’t think insulting the supporters of one’s political opponent is an effective way to win elections, as evidenced by Hillary’s loss to Donald Trump, but hey maybe this time will be different 
Misunderstood fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Jan 16, 2024 |
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 15:36
|
|
|
Of course Trump insulted libs, but that’s allowed. That’s the deal with America. You can insult libs/progressives/yankees as much as you want, and they’ll take it, they will coddle a reactionary force like no other. It took a lib getting beaten into brain damage on the floor of the house before they realized these southerners might be loving serious. Americans are cradle-to-grave raised and conditioned to defer to insane oligarchs and we have no natural defenses when one goes for the jugular. It’s a natural consequence of our political economy and it’s wild to see it play out again and again in our history. So many rich dudes just needed any kind of meaningful resistance and America, again and again, tried nothing and were all out of ideas. We’re doing it again, right now with Elon Musk. Bill Ackman is another example, a little less obvious, but at any given time you can find a rich guy in America being allowed to go absolutely hog wild and nobody with any power to do anything about it. edit: Harlan Crow: proved you can just outright buy a Supreme Court justice, got himself a little Hitler museum together. What’s gonna come of it? Him and Clarence Thomas deciding when they will retire, on their own terms. selec fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Jan 16, 2024 |
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 15:44
|
|
|
IIRC LBJ didn't run for reelection?
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 16:42
|
|
|
Raenir Salazar posted:IIRC LBJ didn't run for reelection? Perhaps true, but Caro will never finish writing that last volume so we may never know. (Yeah, I goofed that one. You'd think I would have remembered that with the convention riots and whatnot)
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 16:47
|
|
|
Biden is absolutely more popular than Trump even if people say that they "disapprove" of Biden. Lots of people disapprove of Biden including on these forums but given the choice between Biden and Trump, it's a no-brainer. I keep saying this: approval polls don't measure the loathsomeness of Trump and how people really feel about him vs. any other candidate.
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 16:57
|
|
|
Ron Wyden announced that they have a bipartisan tax deal agreed to and want to schedule a vote for it next week to make sure the benefits can be applied to tax filings for this year. The deal expands the child tax credit and business tax breaks passed during the Trump administration. The child tax credit details of the deal: - Expands the child tax credit The expansion is not as much as the expansion in the 2021 Biden stimulus bill. The total expansion is roughly 1/3 of the amount in the stimulus bill or about $600 per child for low-income households. However, it is a permanent expansion unlike the stimulus bill. - The child tax credit is currently only partially refundable. This will expand the refundability of the credit to make sure low-income families who pay little or no tax can claim the full benefit. - Indexes the child tax credit to inflation. - Allows filers to use their income from the prior year, if it would result in them getting a larger benefit. The business tax cut details: - Allows businesses to deduct a greater amount of R&D spending. - Allows for more deductions for interest costs/payments. - Doubles the amount of depreciation businesses can deduct. - Expands credits for small business business expenses. https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1747262178082836880 quote:Congress announces major tax deal to expand child tax credit and revive breaks for businesses Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Jan 16, 2024 |
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 17:02
|
|
|
Per Wyden (via David Dayen at the prospect), it also raises the 1099 threshold for independent contractors to $1,000 (and adjusts for inflation moving forward) up from $600 https://twitter.com/ddayen/status/1747270851953926579
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 17:06
|
|
|
small butter posted:Biden is absolutely more popular than Trump even if people say that they "disapprove" of Biden. Lots of people disapprove of Biden including on these forums but given the choice between Biden and Trump, it's a no-brainer. I keep saying this: approval polls don't measure the loathsomeness of Trump and how people really feel about him vs. any other candidate. Your feelings are not supported by polling. Biden's favorable rating is currently lower than Trump's (Biden - 38.9%; Trump 42.3%), and Biden's unfavorable rating is higher than Trump's (Biden - 55.4%; Trump - 52%).   People don't really like Biden or Trump, but for whatever reason people seem to like Biden even less than Trump.
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 17:09
|
|
|
small butter posted:Biden is absolutely more popular than Trump even if people say that they "disapprove" of Biden. Lots of people disapprove of Biden including on these forums but given the choice between Biden and Trump, it's a no-brainer. I keep saying this: approval polls don't measure the loathsomeness of Trump and how people really feel about him vs. any other candidate. Trump walked away with the Iowa Caucus but 51% has got to make him nervous that it wasn't 85-90%. More importantly, it's the lowest turnout in 30 years and 1/3rd less than the 2016 turnout. Maybe it was the cold and and outlier but if the low participation and the low support of those who do participate continues then maybe there is some reason to be optimistic that Mom and Pop republican are coming out of their trance.
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 17:22
|
|
|
At this point I'm not rooting for Biden over Trump as much as I am hoping for a resounding repudiation of the howling racist morons that comprise his base.
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 17:23
|
|
|
Murgos posted:Trump walked away with the Iowa Caucus but 51% has got to make him nervous that it wasn't 85-90%. More importantly, it's the lowest turnout in 30 years and 1/3rd less than the 2016 turnout. Low or high primary participation doesn't really translate to general election results. 2016 had historically high primary participation and historically low general election participation. There has always been a ~25% bloc of Republicans who don't like Trump, but the vast majority of them are going to vote for Trump anyway. Same thing with Biden. Part of Biden's low favorability is because he only has ~70% approval among Democrats. Most of those 30% who disapprove will end up voting for him anyway. There's no indication that Trump or Biden are actually going to lose ~25% of their base, even if they may be unhappy about them for various reasons. Similarly, I really doubt that the ~30% of Republicans who say they will vote for Trump now, but would not vote for him if he was convicted of a felony, actually holds up and many/most of those people claiming that will end up voting for him.
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 17:28
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 23, 2024 20:18 |
|
|
B B posted:Your feelings are not supported by polling. Biden's favorable rating is currently lower than Trump's (Biden - 38.9%; Trump 42.3%), and Biden's unfavorable rating is higher than Trump's (Biden - 55.4%; Trump - 52%). Favorability does not measure loathing. Many people may not have a favorable view of Biden, but people absolutely, absolutely detest Trump. There is probably no more loathed person in American politics than Trump, which is different than saying he's unpopular or that people have unfavorable views of him. This is an important distinction because this hatred will drive the polls in 2024 in a way that will affect Biden much less.
|
|
#
?
Jan 16, 2024 17:29
|
|