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The Puppy Bowl posted:Having 4 pass catchers going to QB needy teams instead of Jayden Daniels is some suspect valuation. Also, Bowers is going to get way overdrafted. Undersized TE that is going to end up a glorified slot receiver. I dunno, I personally like the mock that has a LT falling to 7. Also, the Rams actually have a first round pick this year!?
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Jan 16, 2024 19:08
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Mega64 posted:Also, the Rams actually have a first round pick this year!? For now.
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Jan 16, 2024 19:09
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A Sneaker Broker posted:What if Herbert got traded? What if Eli Manning unretired and said I want to play for the Chargers now please
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Jan 16, 2024 19:09
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Junior Seau rising from the grave to terrorize the NFL forever as Zombie Seau is more likely to happen than MHJ dropping to #5 overall
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Jan 16, 2024 19:22
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I just want a WR who can separate or box dudes out and the meanest interior lineman in the draft available after
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Jan 16, 2024 22:24
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BlindSite posted:I just want a WR who can separate or box dudes out and the meanest interior lineman in the draft available after Brian Thomas Jr.
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Jan 16, 2024 22:25
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I really like Coleman I just don't see him lasting til 33.
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Jan 16, 2024 22:29
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BlindSite posted:I really like Coleman I just don't see him lasting til 33. He has a separation problem.
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Jan 16, 2024 22:46
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Kalli posted:I'd much rather the Patriots draft Marvin Harrison Jr. Their offensive roster is barren, sticking the 3rd QB on that roster is just a recipe for ruining them. I'd much rather they sign a vet, build the offense and see if they can develop a day 2 QB pick into a guy that can take the job. NFL is rad because, given the correct decision making and commitment, no team is ever more than a couple offseasons away from being in a good place. Generally any team that is an ideal landing spot for a rookie qb is going to be picking too high to get a blue chip qb prospect. You gotta grab a franchise QB prospect when the opportunity presents itself. Imo it’s more likely and more valuable that Jayden Daniels + 2nd round wr is better than MHJ + 2nd round QB.
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Jan 16, 2024 23:09
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Ornery and Hornery posted:NFL is rad because, given the correct decision making and commitment, no team is ever more than a couple offseasons away from being in a good place. Generally any team that is an ideal landing spot for a rookie qb is going to be picking too high to get a blue chip qb prospect. I'd disagree, when it comes to successful team building, heck look at the 8 teams in the divisional round Texans drafted a guy high, hit what looks like a grand slam. Buccaneers took a scrap heap guy and plopped him onto a moderately built team. Lions took a scrap heap salary dump and built around him. A true Christmas miracle. 49ers, Ravens and Packers drafted a guy basically after everyone else could and plopped them onto built / building teams. Bills and Chiefs traded up to get their prospect from further down in the 1st round and plopped 'em onto mostly built teams. One team grabbed a franchise QB prospect when they were in position to, everyone else fell / climbed to it. Heck, add in the WC teams you add the Cowboys, Eagles for the later drafter crowd, Rams traded for one in the other half of the Christmas miracle, Dolphins did the franchise prospect dealie and the Browns and Steelers don't have QB's 
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Jan 16, 2024 23:18
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Kalli posted:I'd disagree, when it comes to successful team building, heck look at the 8 teams in the divisional round I really wonder what the conversations were in 2020 between Gutey and LaFleur about Love? It has been said multiple times that LaFleur was infatuated with his arm talent and confidence.
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Jan 16, 2024 23:39
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Kalli posted:I'd disagree, when it comes to successful team building, heck look at the 8 teams in the divisional round Your post seems at odds with your preferred approach, to this humble poster. For most of your list, it’s still first round dudes on the team that drafted them: Texans, Ravens, Packers, Bills, Chiefs. Buccaneers - they aren’t a contending team. They did okay because they are in the NFC South and because the Eagles have exploded. Lions okay I’ll give you that. Niners - I don’t think there’s much value in trying to replicate what the niners did or do. Shanahan is too powerful. The playoff teams are split into two groups. One group has QBs that significantly help the team. The second group has QBs which are basically neutral and the team wins despite the qb (that’s not to say their QBs are bad per se, being neutral is fine and a big upgrade over the some QBs). The first group are contenders and are the teams that drafted qbs in the first (and the niners). The second group is everyone else. It seems pretty compelling that drafting a blue chip qb early when given the opportunity is the correct move.
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Jan 16, 2024 23:42
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But heck Kalli, I hope your pats do whatever you want if it means Jayden falls closer to Seattle…
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Jan 16, 2024 23:43
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Your post seems at odds with your preferred approach, to this humble poster. For most of your list, it’s still first round dudes on the team that drafted them: Texans, Ravens, Packers, Bills, Chiefs. There's a pretty big difference between drafting a QB in the top 10 (or 5) and drafting that QB at the back end of the first round. Teams picking early generally *need* QBs, teams picking late mostly don't. If that QB makes it through all the QB-needy teams then that speaks to either a misevaluation or a red flag. Love was #26, Lamar was #32. That's the majority-to-entire league passing on them.
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Jan 16, 2024 23:46
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SKULL.GIF posted:There's a pretty big difference between drafting a QB in the top 10 (or 5) and drafting that QB at the back end of the first round. Teams picking early generally *need* QBs, teams picking late mostly don't. If that QB makes it through all the QB-needy teams then that speaks to either a misevaluation or a red flag. Most teams who take a QB late in the first have a plan for them tho.
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Jan 16, 2024 23:47
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Ornery and Hornery posted:NFL is rad because, given the correct decision making and commitment, no team is ever more than a couple offseasons away from being in a good place. Generally any team that is an ideal landing spot for a rookie qb is going to be picking too high to get a blue chip qb prospect. And then there’s “Da Bears”
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Jan 16, 2024 23:53
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Lamar should have been the #1 pick and I called it (don't look at my other QB evals)
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Jan 16, 2024 23:54
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I would love to see Daniels in New England, but they do not have the players to help a QB grow.
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Jan 16, 2024 23:57
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SKULL.GIF posted:There's a pretty big difference between drafting a QB in the top 10 (or 5) and drafting that QB at the back end of the first round. Teams picking early generally *need* QBs, teams picking late mostly don't. If that QB makes it through all the QB-needy teams then that speaks to either a misevaluation or a red flag. And more importantly, you don't need to do anything to pick a guy in that situation. Chiefs and Bills were able to move up a little bit from the middle of the 1st when they saw a guy that fit. This is about when a team bottoms out and has a top pick in hand. The Patriots have no offensive talent right now. We know what that looks like, the top of the 1st round is littered with dudes ruined in bad situations. Unless you think the 3rd QB is also a Luck / Lawrence generational franchise caliber QB , better to add blue chip talent at tackle or WR, and get by for a year with a middling vet you can upgrade from, and draft a guy day 2 if you want to see if you can develop a guy that way.
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Kalli posted:And more importantly, you don't need to do anything to pick a guy in that situation. Chiefs and Bills were able to move up a little bit from the middle of the 1st when they saw a guy that fit. This is about when a team bottoms out and has a top pick in hand. Next years QB class is kinda rear end.
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Jan 17, 2024 00:02
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A Sneaker Broker posted:Next years QB class is kinda rear end. lol we're already calling this before the season is even played?
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Jan 17, 2024 00:57
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wandler20 posted:lol we're already calling this before the season is even played? Things can change over the course of the season and some preseason look aheads are silly in retrospect, but generally it’s decent to ballpark the relative strength of qb classes.
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Jan 17, 2024 01:04
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wandler20 posted:lol we're already calling this before the season is even played? https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/positions/QB/1/2025 This is not good.
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Jan 17, 2024 01:08
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Anyone want to do an effort post on edge talent? I keep seeing a bunch of names as the top guy and that may be who the bears are taking at 9. Dallas Turner didn't impress me at Bama,but neither did Will Anderson last year so what do I know
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Jan 17, 2024 01:14
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wandler20 posted:lol we're already calling this before the season is even played? people have been scouting some of these kids since middle school probably, the top of the class isn't going to change much by one more season
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Jan 17, 2024 01:14
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A Sneaker Broker posted:https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/positions/QB/1/2025 ehh there's less guaranteed top end talent but looks like 3-4 could be first rounders if they have a good year.
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Jan 17, 2024 01:17
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trevorreznik posted:Anyone want to do an effort post on edge talent? I keep seeing a bunch of names as the top guy and that may be who the bears are taking at 9. Bralen Trice or Laiatu Latu. I'll make a thick post about Edge talent.
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Jan 17, 2024 01:18
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nfldraftbuzz is alright they usually set their ratings early and don't change them which can be good or bad depending on how you look at it
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Relentlessboredomm posted:ehh there's less guaranteed top end talent but looks like 3-4 could be first rounders if they have a good year. The only QBs I see being first-round talent next year are Shedeur and Ewers. That is garbage.
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Jan 17, 2024 01:21
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A Sneaker Broker posted:The only QBs I see being first-round talent next year are Shedeur and Ewers. That is garbage. there's like 4 dudes who had decentish years this year but have prototypical size, and most of them are getting new OCs so who knows. That's Leonard, Allar, Weigman, and Beck(altho maybe not him)
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Jan 17, 2024 01:28
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Not going to lie, I have not been impressed with Allar.
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Jan 17, 2024 01:30
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I think Beck is maybe the most sneaky intriguing 2025 guy. Easy to lump him with every other Good Enough QB on a loaded natty contender but he was making a few impressive throws every Georgia game I saw. Him and McConkey both are "No I swear they're really NFL good" types
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Jan 17, 2024 01:34
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Daniels, Penix, and Nix were all not expected to be 1st or 2nd round guys who all greatly improved their stock during the season. It happens. Sam Howell was once a sure fire 1st rounder and look how that ended. Dumb to project anything at this point about something over a year away.
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Jan 17, 2024 01:37
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A Sneaker Broker posted:Not going to lie, I have not been impressed with Allar. Same but he does have the size and a good arm and he's about to get a new OC. I still expect James Franklin to ruin him though
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Jan 17, 2024 01:45
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I think Penix and Bo were both chatted about as dudes who could go in the late first, second and third. And I think that’s probably still accurate due to Bo sucking rear end and Penix’s age+injury history. Importantly, even if they both are a bit higher or lower or whatever than where the conversation was a year ago, it’s not like either of them skyrocketed to an elite prospect top-5 status. This time last year people thought Caleb was going #1 and that Maye wouldn’t be far behind and so far that seems to have held up. There’s obviously some error and with hindsight sometimes qb prospects end up at a way different draft spot than initially estimated. But overall the draft scouts are pretty drat correct. The real mystery is that Jayden had a better drat year than the historic Burrow year and somehow didn’t get nearly the love.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:The real mystery is that Jayden had a better drat year than the historic Burrow year and somehow didn’t get nearly the love. That's because Tua and Herbert weren't as highly regarded as Caleb and Maye going into the year. e: also Burrow is from Ohio which makes for a really easy story when the hometown kid can come home with the #1 overall pick IcePhoenix fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Jan 17, 2024 |
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Jan 17, 2024 01:53
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Burrow also won a natty QBing the best team ever as opposed to dragging them to 9-3, and he had the narrative of going from utter mediocrity to the greatest passing season in college football history. That latter part is also probably more appealing to scouts even though Daniels' dual threat nature is obviously huge.
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Doltos posted:Lamar should have been the #1 pick and I called it (don't look at my other QB evals) Who are your biggest "I told you so" players since you've been doing this also who were your biggest embarassments
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Febreeze posted:Who are your biggest "I told you so" players since you've been doing this I got some push back on Justin Herbert, D.K. Metcalf, and Lamar all being really good. Also Andrew Thomas over Mekhi Becton, Johnny Manziel busting because he abandoned plays too early, Kevin White being overrated, Clyde Edwards-Helaire being a terrible pick, and Jerry Jeudy being just okay. Biggest misses were definitely Brad Kaaya, Josh Rosen, and Josh Allen. 2017 was such a terrible QB draft that I had him and Kizer as my two best. Same thing happened in 2022 when I thought Malik Willis was a first rounder just because everyone looked so bad in comparison, although I guess I did get something back calling Matt Corral a bust whose style couldn't fit in the NFL. Outside of that I missed pretty hard on Robert Nkemdiche, Laquon Treadwell, C.J. Henderson, Jalen Reagor, Solomon Thomas, and Sam Darnold. I also thought Chris Olave was overrated. It's a little too early to tell for last year but I'm glad I got most of my rankings right so far with a few good calls in Tuli Tuipolotu and Kobie Turner.
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