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I have just gotten caught back up after Christmas, I was a little down on the Camp Utopia episode but the last two episodes pulled me right back in, the whole cast is great but Jennifer Jason Leigh, John Hamm and Juno Temple are all killing it. "No daughter of mine..." 
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ChesterJT posted:Yeah that's where I'm at. I'm just sick of anything to do with Trump. The people who hate him and can't stop mentioning him daily are just as obnoxious as the people out protesting on his behalf saying he's the second coming. I'd rather just not hear his name or anything about him and Hawley is using a show I really like to take dumb jabs at him to score lowest common denominator points I guess because I don't find the inclusion useful to the story or meaningful in any way. I don't expect everyone to feel the same though and everything is so good it's more of a minor annoyance than anything. I can see your point to a degree. But it's a pretty light swipe and this is absolutely the type of person that would get enamored with Trump. A constitutionalist who's distrustful of the government and believes the fed has limited power over them gravitates towards a president who sows distrust in federal agencies and much of the power structure. They could have avoided the Trump stuff altogether.....but in the end.....they were minor "jokes" and weren't shoehorned in every other scene. Anyways.....this season is rivaling the first......which I didn't expect. It's pretty fantastic.
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Jan 15, 2024 16:34
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Yeah really surprised to see the other guy say 1 was his last favorite. Madness!
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Jan 15, 2024 18:43
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My only observation with S1 is that it does play the most similar to the movie, plot wise. S2 feels more wholly like it's own thing, which is why I put it on a pedestal. But S1 is enough of it's own thing that it very, very much is not just a remake.
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Jan 15, 2024 19:06
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Season 1 has a lot of soul in some of the asides, B plots, and vignettes. The ones that jump out immediately are The Man Who Gave Everything and Bob Odenkirk's foster son, but I think every episode has something that sticks with you and makes you think.
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Jan 15, 2024 19:12
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From what I remember S1 seems like it might be doing a Breaking Bad rip-off "this suburban guy is DONE getting poo poo on!" at first that feels kind of lame before you realize the show is absolutely not going to be sympathetic to Martin Freeman.
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Jan 15, 2024 20:35
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Tender Bender posted:From what I remember S1 seems like it might be doing a Breaking Bad rip-off "this suburban guy is DONE getting poo poo on!" at first that feels kind of lame before you realize the show is absolutely not going to be sympathetic to Martin Freeman. BB wasn't sympathetic to Walter White either
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Jan 15, 2024 22:51
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Wafflecopper posted:BB wasn't sympathetic to Walter White either Right, I meant to say that it felt like it was trying to cash on on the popularity among people who didn't get it and thought it was just badass
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Jan 15, 2024 23:04
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I've always felt like Cohen Bros work (I haven't seen all of it, mind you) is about average shlubs getting in over their head. If we focus this in on the Fargo series, you've got Martin Freeman, Jesse Plemons, Ewan McGregor, and Jason Schwartzman as the primary schlubs with a few secondary shlubs sharing the spotlight here and there. I'd even entertain argument that other characters were supposed to be the primary shlub of their respective season; the diverse ensemble casts make it easy to do so. Season 5, however, is completely spinning out of this pattern because Dot is supposed to be the shlub when she is, instead, the tiger. I remember thinking during episode 1 that maybe Wayne is supposed to be this season's shlub and I wondered how he would get involved. If anything, Witt Farr and Indira are kinda supposed to get in over their heads but they don't really, not nearly as much as Dot does. So despite the season being a return to form for a series that aired one of the greatest seasons of television ever, it has done so while spinning the structure it's typically molded to. I don't really have a point to any of this, just a thought I wanted to put out there. Edge & Christian posted:<big post>
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If you needed to pick one, Tillman is kind of a schlub who's gotten over his head. Gator definitely is one. Big thru lines we do still have: - A smaller crime (kidnapping) leads to a bunch of chaos and dead bodies - A local cop correctly identifies what's going on but can't convince people in power until the end of the season - The cops in a position of power are inept and are un-estimating the threat - Supernaturally skilled bad guy
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Jan 16, 2024 14:53
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I don't know if one should have to root for something specific in a finale, but I am hoping we see a Trumpy Bear doll in the last episode.
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Jan 16, 2024 22:54
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CatstropheWaitress posted:un-estimating Wouldn’t that be accurately measuring the threat?
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Jan 17, 2024 00:08
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Roy is an absolute monster but on balance Lorraine probably causes way more suffering than he does. It's just abstracted and at a remove like she hasn't murdered or beaten or sexually abused anyone but she pounces on people when they're down and extracts what little wealth they have without pity. and she does this at scale.
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Jan 17, 2024 01:06
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Coen movies, along with their cousins A Simple Plan (their then friend doing a similar movie) and Pain and Gain (Coens filtered through Bay excess) are slightly more about heists/greed gone wrong than idiots over their head, but it's a huge crossover. Nobody was really dumb in No Country or True Grit, while everyone is dumb in Ladykillers and Burn After Reading.
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Jan 17, 2024 01:53
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What a loving masterpiece. Juno Temple absolutely amazing
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Jan 17, 2024 02:52
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what a finale Minnesota nice
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Jan 17, 2024 03:44
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Having not seen the end yet, I'm hoping for slow, painful, and degrading for Roy.
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Jan 17, 2024 03:58
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holy poo poo, this sequence with munch
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Jan 17, 2024 04:11
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fancy stats posted:holy poo poo, this sequence with munch Yeah, it loving owned.
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Jan 17, 2024 04:12
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i loving love this  he needs better dinner party stories though
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Jan 17, 2024 04:18
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Wasn't nearly as explosive as a finale as I was expecting, instead much more about the denouement. But it was more than worth it to have Munch stay for chili and biscuits.
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Jan 17, 2024 04:32
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A really happy ending for Fargo. Two good, but expendable characters died, and the supernatural immortal warrior learns love through biscuits. Not sure how I feel about Lorraine's story. In 2024 it may be cathartic to have the Trumpy sheriff get got by the more financially powerful arm of the Republican party, but I expect it's not going to age well. Particularly the stuff about paying off prisoners to partake in prison beatings and rape, that's already in poor taste. Great season.
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Jan 17, 2024 04:41
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Jan 17, 2024 05:03
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Great season of television.
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Jan 17, 2024 05:04
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So wait, you're telling me that when Carla Jean ran into Chigurh at the end of No Country, that she could have just played coy with his coin toss and just offered him some food and all would have gone well?
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Jan 17, 2024 05:05
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Absolutely nailed the landing. Loved it, so, so much. Fargo treats violence better than almost any other show. I loved that we saw basically none of the fire fight. All the wannabe warriors are robbed their glorious last stand. And then Munch being defeated by learning to eat a biscut made with love and 'Minnesota Nice' hospitality. It's such a wonderful, wonderful juxtaposition. Will have to sit with it awhile, but easily my favorite season the show's done since 2. I think I liked it better than 1. Noah Hawley you beautiful bastard you.
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Jan 17, 2024 05:08
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who knew the true hero of fargo s5 would be ole munch
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Jan 17, 2024 05:21
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yeah that last ep made this season
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Jan 17, 2024 05:23
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i liked how the minnesota hospitality fits in with him symbolically and literally cast out of his society and covered in filth and denied domesticity and here they kinda reverse that, offer him a drink, clean his hands, share alcohol with him, and feed him out of their hands. all in all great season, great finale, lessened only by the tired prison rape bullshit. come on it's 2024
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Jan 17, 2024 05:26
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Farr should've dropped Tillman's knife for him, but that wouldn't have allowed for the reveal of the eventual capture so  .Also, I'm only 22 minutes in? 
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Shitenshi posted:So wait, you're telling me that when Carla Jean ran into Chigurh at the end of No Country, that she could have just played coy with his coin toss and just offered him some food and all would have gone well? Munch and Chigurh are fundamentally different creatures
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Jan 17, 2024 05:40
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Weird talking weird hair man. Same same.
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Jan 17, 2024 05:42
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Munch did ice a gas station teen armed with nothing but an air horn. But I can buy there was enough of a game sees game thing going on that Dot was able to buy time enough to talk to him. And that he clearly thought he was going to intimidate her into cooperating with a mono-a-mono dual but was repeatedly interrupted by hospitality and biscuit making.
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fez_machine posted:Munch and Chigurh are fundamentally different creatures Who would win in a fight?
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thehoodie posted:Who would win in a fight? Chigurh, I reckon. CatstropheWaitress posted:Munch did ice a gas station teen armed with nothing but an air horn. Munch is motivated by a biblical morality (and a thousand years old Viking warrior) not simply a sociopath so when given the chance at redemption or some kind of peace, however suspicious he might be initially, he accepts it
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If only that teen had reached for a bible instead of an airhorn
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I really liked that season. She was such a badass and it was really fun to watch.
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Jan 17, 2024 11:10
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After talking about how eating sin cursed him with eternal life, I was half expecting Munch to shrivel up like that nazi at the end of Indiana Jones when he ate the biscuit
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God what a beautiful ending. I love that you can equally see the offer of bread as simple humanity finally reaching Munch, as well as it being a rather literal communion that offers redemption as a counter to the hosed up "morality" of the initial sin-eating to allow a rich person to go to heaven despite being a terrible person. I really dug that the only other time he suggests being happy or at peace came during the brief time that he was in a place where the Church hadn't really reached yet. In regards to Lorraine, I'm of two minds in that apart from coming to a better place of understanding with her daughter-in-law she's still a monstrous, horrible predator preying on the poor and helpless... but on the other hand there is a savage satisfaction to be had from her as a woman and a powerful person forcing Roy to suffer in the same way that he made Linda and Nadine (and yes, his last wife too) suffer. It goes back to the final sequence with Munch and Dot pretty well, you have a choice whether to make people pay for their sins or to move on, and it makes sense that Lorraine would go one way and Dot (and, as a result, Munch) another. What a great season, a true return to form and up there with Season 1 (Season 2 remains the gold standard) as just an excellent season of television. So great to see Jon Hamm getting his teeth into a great character/performance again. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Jan 17, 2024 |
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what the gently caress that ending was so lovely oh my god great season
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