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A Sneaker Broker posted:Not going to lie, I have not been impressed with Allar. We'll see how he does next year. Yurcich did everything in his power to make things miserable for him in games of any difficulty. Coupled with a horrible WR room and he didn't look good most of the season. Kotelnicki has a lot of work ahead of him and his schemes aren't usually as tailored to QBs like Allar's prototype. I sure as poo poo wouldn't be projecting him anywhere near the first round this early though.
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Jan 17, 2024 03:57
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Ross why are so many drafts mocking TE Bowers to the chargers instead of WR Nabers? Does California have a moratorium on wr with speed???
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Jan 17, 2024 06:09
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Ross why are so many drafts mocking TE Bowers to the chargers instead of WR Nabers? The Chargers have had a major need at TE since Gates retired. No one knows what the Chargers will do because they have no GM or anything, so who knows. I wouldn't be mad with Nabers or Bowers
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Jan 17, 2024 06:11
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Well the chargers will have their pick of the litter because the first four picks are going to be the three QBs and MHJ. Chargers are on the clock…
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Jan 17, 2024 06:16
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Any good running backs this year?
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Jan 17, 2024 12:57
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Bowers is also a great prospect though I think he might be a bit overrated and the WRs this year are unbelievable
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Jan 17, 2024 13:22
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Corzaa posted:Any good running backs this year? Trey Benson. Jonathon Brooks would’ve been RB1 but he tore his ACL 
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Jan 17, 2024 14:56
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I said it with Pitts, I'll say it with Bowers, never draft a TE in the top 10. If you're picking that high you have WAY bigger issues to deal with.
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Jan 17, 2024 15:00
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A Sneaker Broker posted:Trey Benson. Jonathon Brooks would’ve been RB1 but he tore his ACL Have you seen Trey Benson's injury history? I love Trey but I'd be concerned taking him too high.
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Jan 17, 2024 15:01
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wandler20 posted:Have you seen Trey Benson's injury history? I love Trey but I'd be concerned taking him too high. I have. I think teams are gonna ignore it considering he has the best vision in the class. The only other best option is Blake The Great Corum, but he has so much goddamn tread, it’s insane.
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Jan 17, 2024 15:02
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I've seen Coleman go to the Bills in a few mock drafts, but the criticism of him seems to be he is a WR who can't create separation and I think the team has had enough of those recently.
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Jan 17, 2024 15:25
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wandler20 posted:I said it with Pitts, I'll say it with Bowers, never draft a TE in the top 10. If you're picking that high you have WAY bigger issues to deal with. The Chargers had a sort of unique problem that they racked up a bunch of losses once Herbert went down. They also had a lot of really close losses. Before Herbert went down, they had one loss by 2 and four losses by 3. This is a playoff team with a tiny bit of improvement, and of course an uninjured QB. Their way bigger issue was probably a lovely coach. E: That is to say I don't know if drafting a TE is the right move, I suck at draft analysis. I just think the Chargers are in a much better position than most teams drafting 5th. Bird in a Blender fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Jan 17, 2024 |
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Jan 17, 2024 15:50
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Where does Tua's brother fall now that he declared? Seems like a team could take him day 2 or 3 as a reach?
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Jan 17, 2024 16:00
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THIS_IS_FINE posted:Where does Tua's brother fall now that he declared? Seems like a team could take him day 2 or 3 as a reach? Day 3 Steeler
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Jan 17, 2024 16:27
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I think Im in the same boat regarding a TE at 5 here... Probably worth it if youre getting a Gronk/Mandrews/Graham caliber player for your passing attack but dont they have some aging players with Allen there at 31? They already have Herbert if I was the GM I'm doing whatever I can to trade up for MHJ or taking Oduze instead I guess. Feel like they need to worry about restocking for their #1 WR position and grab a TE later if needed imo.
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Jan 17, 2024 17:33
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Has drafting a TE in the top 10 literally ever worked out? Vernon Davis maybe? The last two (Hock and Pitts) are good but not worth the spot imo Gonzales was pick #13, that's as far back as I looked
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Jan 17, 2024 17:52
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Nosre posted:Has drafting a TE in the top 10 literally ever worked out? Vernon Davis maybe? The last two (Hock and Pitts) are good but not worth the spot imo Nope. Bowers is an insane prospect who will only get better, but the learning curve for TEs from college to the pros is massive.
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Jan 17, 2024 17:58
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A Sneaker Broker posted:Nope. Bowers is an insane prospect who will only get better, but the learning curve for TEs from college to the pros is massive. Everyone always says this, but I don't understand why. Is the role of a TE in the pros just vastly more complex than it is in college?
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Jan 17, 2024 18:05
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Black Lighter posted:Everyone always says this, but I don't understand why. Is the role of a TE in the pros just vastly more complex than it is in college? More blocking assignments, more run techniques, and checks you'll have to learn. You also have to learn more about defenses to settle on your routes. Essentially, you have to become the 6th offensive lineman and be an insane slot receiver to get more playing time.
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Jan 17, 2024 18:12
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Nosre posted:Has drafting a TE in the top 10 literally ever worked out? Vernon Davis maybe? The last two (Hock and Pitts) are good but not worth the spot imo The best TE drafted in the top 10 in the 21st century is probably Vernon Davis, yeah. He made second-team All Pro once. Even if you expand it to the entire first round, there's a shockingly low correlation between "TEs drafted highly" and "TEs who turn out to be elite in the NFL." Of the 25 first-round TEs since 2000, they've got a grand total of seven All Pro appearances (two first tam, five second team). 5/7 of those appearances are from guys who were drafted 24th or later. Meanwhile the true superstars at the position have basically exclusively been picked in the second round or later. That's why I'd have a really hard time pulling the trigger on Bowers in the top 10, even though I really like him as a prospect. It's just super clear that there is a systemic inability to properly assess how TEs will transfer from the NCAA to the NFL, and I don't know how you could have the hubris to look at that data and say "OK, but this time we're going to be right" xbilkis fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Jan 17, 2024 |
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Jan 17, 2024 18:31
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25 first round tightends is such a small sample it shouldn't matter
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Jan 17, 2024 18:33
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When you're 0/25 on getting the kind of elite talent you envision out of a top 10 pick at TE, I think it's a pretty decent sample size
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Jan 17, 2024 18:34
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Chargers with Malik Nabers, however..
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Jan 17, 2024 18:37
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Where would Gronk have gone if he didn't have half a dozen injury red flags coming out of college
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Jan 17, 2024 18:39
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I think the chargers should draft Brock bowers so he is off the board when the titans pick because I’ll jump off a cliff into a gorge if the titans piss away their pick on him.
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Jan 17, 2024 18:42
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Kincaid went at 25 and is having a good year but has ended up being overshadowed by Laporta who is technically a second rounder (3rd pick in the 2nd) . And Kincaid managed to put up some good numbers despite Josh already having a good TE relationship with Dawson Knox. Nobody is critical of the pick or that Beane had to trade up despite already not being flush on draft capital.
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Jan 17, 2024 18:46
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Pablo Bluth posted:Kincaid went at 25 and is having a good year but has ended up being overshadowed by Laporta who is technically a second rounder (3rd pick in the 2nd) . And Kincaid managed to put up some good numbers despite Josh already having a good TE relationship with Dawson Knox. Nobody is critical of the pick or that Beane had to trade up despite already not being flush on draft capital. LaPorta Musgrave Kraft Mayer Lotta good tight ends last year.
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Jan 17, 2024 18:48
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Kincaid actually ended up fourth on the all time receptions by a rookie TE, and joint second in touchdowns, but Laporta's ridiculous year totally stole his thunder. Edit: the record for playoff TDs is 2 (David Sloan, DET, '95). Laporta, Kincaid and Musgrave all picked upone this weekend, so the race for that record is on. Pablo Bluth fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Jan 17, 2024 |
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Jan 17, 2024 18:52
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This is going to be such a fun draft, can’t wait 
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Jan 17, 2024 18:53
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Ornery and Hornery posted:This is going to be such a fun draft, can’t wait When the Packers find an All-Pro tackle in the 4th or 5th round, I can't wait for the tears.
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Jan 17, 2024 18:57
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Re: 2025 QBs, I uh don’t know that I really like anyone right now. Ewers is the Charizard to prospect Herbert’s charmeleon. 2-4 generational throws a game, 2-4 backbreakingly terrible ones. Weird misses that look like no one knew the play. Fisher Price offense. Doesn’t really have any feel in the pocket or consistency to his feet even with the improvement this year. Just one of the most ludicrous arms we’ve had on a minute, ball just instantly comes on a line. Beck is very talented and has a lot of responsibility in his offense but doesn’t really do anything that impresses me in terms of throwing guys open or maximizing his receiving talent. Big numbers but leaves a lot on the table downfield and outside the numbers in favor of making the throws that won’t get him yelled at. If they unleash him a bit and open up to make up for their TE deficiencies this coming year, he could put enough on tape to be QB1 because he has the physical tools right now. Shedeur doesn’t have anything resembling pocket feel or timing, and their insistence on going air raid with him will hurt when the league asks him to run quick game or make a tough throw in favor of holding the ball forever. He kind of does a mediocre Burrow impression right now but without the pinpoint accuracy getting dropped by receivers on Burrow’s junior tape. Average arm, not really sure why he gets the love he does. Allar sucks. They Hackenberged him and failed to design an offense that teaches him timing. Maybe the new coordinator helps but I can’t imagine adding option wrinkles cleans up his lovely feet. Good arm though. Riley Leonard might rise if he stays healthy. He hit some windows at Duke that were NFL margins off of his receivers limitations, and he has pretty good pocket feel, but someone needs to rein his feet in a little bit because he’s very scramble happy and tries to do Mahomes poo poo they he’s not built for. Dillon Gabriel is an RPO merchant Smurf. Great Value Tua Van Dyke will regress as all Longo QBs do. Milroe ha the tools and no midrange game in an offense where that will be the ask. I don’t know how that’s going to work but if he fixes it, round 1 for sure (he wont). I saw Weigman on a board? He has some Jimbo timing throws over the middle and nice feet but they haven’t let him push boundaries or vertically enough for me to feel super comfortable mocking him on this sample. Could rise a lot on tools but who knows.
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Jan 17, 2024 19:58
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TheGreyGhost posted:Re: 2025 QBs, I uh don’t know that I really like anyone right now. I don't even to know what to think about this class being honest. If you want a QB, this is the year.
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Jan 17, 2024 20:01
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TheGreyGhost posted:not really sure why he gets the love he does. i can think of one reason!
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Jan 17, 2024 20:39
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A Sneaker Broker posted:I don't even to know what to think about this class being honest. If you want a QB, this is the year. If the hawks need to trade three first to get Jayden Daniels then by gosh darn the torpedos!!!
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Jan 17, 2024 21:01
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What are the chances career Fun College Guys like Jalon Daniels and KJ Jefferson rise above like the fifth round? The former obviously has horrid medicals.
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Jan 17, 2024 21:38
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Henchman of Santa posted:What are the chances career Fun College Guys like Jalon Daniels and KJ Jefferson rise above like the fifth round? The former obviously has horrid medicals. They need to ball the hell out this year. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Jan 17, 2024 21:44
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xbilkis posted:The best TE drafted in the top 10 in the 21st century is probably Vernon Davis, yeah. He made second-team All Pro once. All positions bust at a high rate, draft good players high wandler20 posted:I said it with Pitts, I'll say it with Bowers, never draft a TE in the top 10. If you're picking that high you have WAY bigger issues to deal with. They took Pitts while still having Matt Ryan and he put up a 1k yard season. It's not Pitts' fault the Falcons sacrificed the best QB in their franchise history chasing after Deshaun Watson. Nodoze posted:Where would Gronk have gone if he didn't have half a dozen injury red flags coming out of college He was generally considered a future first round pick after his sophomore year. He lost an entire year to back injuries and dropped behind Jermaine Gresham's monster season. I think if he played his junior year he probably would have been a top 25 pick. TEs are incredibly valuable and have been proven to be big contribute to Super Bowl wins between Gronk's huge games against Seattle and KC in his Super Bowls and Travis Kelce's big games in all of his Super Bowls.
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Jan 17, 2024 23:42
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Doltos posted:All positions bust at a high rate, draft good players high I forgot that the Falcons are in QB hell because they chased Watson. LOL
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A Sneaker Broker posted:I forgot that the Falcons are in QB hell because they chased Watson. LOL It was absolutely the dumbest move and unconscionable that we didn’t go for Lamar instead. HOWEVER! Matt Ryan was already fuckin dusted. Look at his season in Indy and now he’s out of the league.
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