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Cactrot posted:It is a reference to the movie Clue from 1985, pretty funny flick, worth a watch. Absolutely seconding this recommendation. Check it out if you've never seen it before, it's delightful.
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 Judge! I assume the second half of this card only works with artifacts that can go into the graveyard, correct? Treasures and the like meet the requirement of the first half but not the second.
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Jan 17, 2024 17:54
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Sickening posted:
Tokens still go to the graveyard, they just cease to exist afterward as an SBA, right? Creature tokens still set off "whenever a creature dies" triggers.
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Jan 17, 2024 17:56
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Tokens still go to the graveyard, they just cease to exist afterward as an SBA, right? Creature tokens still set off "whenever a creature dies" triggers. A token creature dying is still dying, put into a graveyard seems very specific and different.
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Jan 17, 2024 17:58
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Tokens still go to the graveyard, they just cease to exist afterward as an SBA, right? Creature tokens still set off "whenever a creature dies" triggers. After a quick look, you are correct. Exuberant Fuseling has the same issues and it works as you describe.
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Jan 17, 2024 18:00
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Treasures go to the graveyard and then stop existing. This Krenko completely works with treasures.
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Sickening posted:A token creature dying is still dying, put into a graveyard seems very specific and different. "Dies" is literally "is put into a graveyard from the battlefield".
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Jan 17, 2024 18:08
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Am I correct in thinking I could tap and sac a treasure to make R, Krenko's triggered ability goes off, and I can pay the R to make the creature token? Or does the "goes to the graveyard" part of saccing happen before the R is created?
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Jan 17, 2024 18:09
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Probably included in the prerelease kit as a bonus. They did that with MoM. Good way to not strangle prerelease attendance with the sizable price hike. Oh wow, I like this card, it's a slightly better Talrand for 1 mana more, but you don't have to play mono blue in commander and make everyone hate you!
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Jan 17, 2024 18:12
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Judgy Fucker posted:Am I correct in thinking I could tap and sac a treasure to make R, Krenko's triggered ability goes off, and I can pay the R to make the creature token? Or does the "goes to the graveyard" part of saccing happen before the R is created? The goes to the graveyard part happens at the same time with treasures because mana abilities don't use the stack. Even if that wasn't the case and you got the mana as a triggered ability from the artifact entering the graveyard (through, say, Crime Novelist, almost like it was designed that way!) you get to choose the order that triggered abilities go on the stack if they both trigger before a player would next receive priority
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Jan 17, 2024 18:14
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As someone who's built multiple EDH decks with Soulfire as my commander (cause comon'), delighted to see that effect with a decent toughness and in BR.
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Jan 17, 2024 18:25
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The disguise/conceal mechanics seem pretty bad, paying a lot to flip a creature. In limited I figure it can be something but for standard they all seem like no gos.
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Jan 17, 2024 18:34
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Stagger_Lee posted:Treasures go to the graveyard and then stop existing. This Krenko completely works with treasures. Wrong, they made the card wrong and the most obvious exploitable and fun interaction fails to work for unintuitive and pedantic reasons based on verbiage not on any of the relevant game pieces that requires cross-referencing the comprehensive rules. ...That would have to be the case for Krenko to not work with treasures.
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Jan 17, 2024 18:37
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Khanstant posted:The disguise/conceal mechanics seem pretty bad, paying a lot to flip a creature. In limited I figure it can be something but for standard they all seem like no gos. I think it's too early to say. obviously not all of them would be worth it, but having ward 2 makes them much more viable to just play out than regular morphs (especially if you flip them after the opponents pay for ward) & there could easily be worthwhile effects on reveal among the cards with the mechanic
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Jan 17, 2024 18:41
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Morph & friends were bad in khans block besides the obviously pushed rare megamorph guys in dtk. Pyrotechnic Performer shows that it's probably going to be that way again.
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Jan 17, 2024 18:43
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Sickening posted:A token creature dying is still dying, put into a graveyard seems very specific and different. The difference is that for templating reasons they don't like to say "dies" for non-creatures even though dies applies to any object: 700.4. The term dies means “is put into a graveyard from the battlefield.”
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Jan 17, 2024 18:50
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can anything truly die if it was never alive in the first place
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Ripper of Bloodlines 3BBB Mythic Vampire Assassin Flying Ward- Sacrifice a Creature Whenever a creature dies target player loses 2 life, you gain 2 life 6/5
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Jan 17, 2024 19:06
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When they want an effect like that to ignore tokens, they say "artifact/creature/permanent/etc. card" (Descend from Ixalan is like this) or just "non-token" depending on the context it's being used.
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flatluigi posted:I think it's too early to say. obviously not all of them would be worth it, but having ward 2 makes them much more viable to just play out than regular morphs (especially if you flip them after the opponents pay for ward) & there could easily be worthwhile effects on reveal among the cards with the mechanic Oh you could respond to removal by flipping the creature and that would dodge the removal? Or only if it were a damage based spell that they survive upon flipping?
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Jan 17, 2024 19:11
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sonce they came up with ward they've really gone all in on that eh?
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Ripper of Bloodlines This seems basic but that ward cost is pretty close to Hexproof against some decks. Wish it had more Toughness so it didn’t die to Lightning Axe.
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flatluigi posted:can anything truly die if it was never alive in the first place Diregraf Captain says: Yes!
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Khanstant posted:Oh you could respond to removal by flipping the creature and that would dodge the removal? Or only if it were a damage based spell that they survive upon flipping? Still the same game object, so either damage based or if it fails for another reason (eg you flip into a vampire after being targeted by victim of night)
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Khanstant posted:Oh you could respond to removal by flipping the creature and that would dodge the removal? Or only if it were a damage based spell that they survive upon flipping? Turning a face-down face-up isn't a flicker effect, it's still the same game object. unless it's a card that cares specifically about the facedown side. Think of it like tapping/untapping.
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Khanstant posted:Oh you could respond to removal by flipping the creature and that would dodge the removal? Or only if it were a damage based spell that they survive upon flipping? It doesn't dodge the removal, transformed cards are the same object. If you flip into a creature with more toughness that survives the damage that works
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If a relevant disguise card dodges Cut Down after flipping, that's definitely going to happen to somebody for a huge blowout at some point.
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Delney is kind of interesting in Tymna decks, but 3 CMC is so much.
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Very interesting if you combine it with ways to lower your own creatures' power though.
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Reverse Fact or Fiction is never as good as actual Fact or Fiction. It's basically a punisher card.
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Jabor posted:Reverse Fact or Fiction is never as good as actual Fact or Fiction. It's basically a punisher card. I don't know, an instant speed 4/4 flyer that cantrips is ok vs a 1/1 flyer that draws 4. Granted your opponent can see which 4 cards you'd be drawing so if its all lands then maybe your opponent doesn't mind letting you draw 4 but that just gets you through your flood faster. I think its harder for your opponent to know which mode is best for them, and the upsides are good either way. Like maybe your opponent is low and you flash that in on their end step to get an attacker to finish them. Is drawing a bunch of cards worse than getting a big flyer? Of course you're always going to want more cards, and if you flip something like a combo piece you're definitely not getting that pile, but then you can arrange it so that you get a decent creature instead.
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Every card draws four other cards these days. So cards that draw four are do-nothing.
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Stagger_Lee posted:Every card draws four other cards these days. So cards that draw four are do-nothing. If your opponent gets to choose the four cards that don't help you vs the 1 card that will, then it sort of does nothing
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 This card seems good. But then again its an enchantment and 2 power isn't nothing.
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That seems like it could take a slot in Death and Taxes
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Kellan's gonna slowly cycle through different color pairs every time we see him. Next time he's gonna be U/B.
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Sickening posted:
I've been going back and forth on it. Even in a deck with 20 lands, 4 of this, and 36 cards it hits it's only hitting ~60% of the time without additional library manipulation. That seems okay but unrealistic, so it really needs a bunch of <=2 power creatures that draw, scry, surveil, map etc. to be played in a deck with some interaction and/or other misses.
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 There's a lot of modes on this, all of which feel individually a bit underpowered but maybe it adds together into something playable somewhere.
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