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Eregos posted:I was trying to think, what did George Santos do that was worse than Trump's equivalent behavior? My only answer so far is Trump didn't categorically make up his background. A surprising % of Republicans condemn Santos but not Trump, so I think this is a good discussion topic because it can encourage people to think. I'm wondering if anyone has an intellectually honest answer, though I haven't searched for discussion on it much. I'm reminded of the old quote about Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers ("'Sure he was great, but dont forget that Ginger Rogers did everything he did…backwards and in high heels’") but the real difference is that Santos had less power and is brown.
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socialsecurity posted:If Trump was just a house member in an not super contested district they probably would give him the same poo poo they gave Santos. To be clear, kicking out Santos is quite possibly going to lose the republicans a house seat. The seat has not been contested in the past, as it was a safely D. The reason Santos won was that the liked incumbent left the seat for a gubernatorial run, and the guy the party found to replace him was really unlikable and just a bad candidate in so many ways. The old democrat incumbent has announced he's running to replace Santos. Against him, the republicans are running a registered democrat (?).
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Eregos posted:I was trying to think, what did George Santos do that was worse than Trump's equivalent behavior? My only answer so far is Trump didn't categorically make up his background. A surprising % of Republicans condemn Santos but not Trump, so I think this is a good discussion topic because it can encourage people to think. I'm wondering if anyone has an intellectually honest answer, though I haven't searched for discussion on it much. Santos tricked some dipshits from Long Island into believing him, while Trump tricked a whole nation of dipshits. And people don't like to admit to even themselves that they got scammed. Plus Santos got exposed as a liar within 6 months of them being aware of his existence. Trump had decades to really sink the lies in before anyone ever got around to pointing out he was a fraud. That's a long time for your brain to come to terms with being tricked for.
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Xand_Man posted:Teabag Dome Scandal Can this be the new thread title even though it's not technically related to Trump
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Eregos posted:I was trying to think, what did George Santos do that was worse than Trump's equivalent behavior? My only answer so far is Trump didn't categorically make up his background. A surprising % of Republicans condemn Santos but not Trump, so I think this is a good discussion topic because it can encourage people to think. I'm wondering if anyone has an intellectually honest answer, though I haven't searched for discussion on it much. It's not about what Santos has done, it's about what he hasn't done. Specifically, he hasn't demonstrated overwhelming popularity with Republican voters to the point of beating several of the GOP's major national contenders. Remember, most of the GOP leadership hated Trump in the 2016 primaries. But after he beat their favored candidates, they had to fall in line, and not only did he do better than any of them expected, but he became the face of the GOP and the leader of a major political movement of his own. They can't really oppose him anymore.
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Main Paineframe posted:It's not about what Santos has done, it's about what he hasn't done. Specifically, he hasn't demonstrated overwhelming popularity with Republican voters to the point of beating several of the GOP's major national contenders.
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I thought the 'line too far' for Santos was directly stealing from and perpetrating identity fraud on donors. https://apnews.com/article/george-santos-credit-card-fraud-f723e69a777b02a2e6b87595f45c21ce
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Eregos posted:I was trying to think, what did George Santos do that was worse than Trump's equivalent behavior? My only answer so far is Trump didn't categorically make up his background. A surprising % of Republicans condemn Santos but not Trump, so I think this is a good discussion topic because it can encourage people to think. I'm wondering if anyone has an intellectually honest answer, though I haven't searched for discussion on it much. George Santos didn't have a Press Secretary that came out and said how Trump was the best thing ever created, which was wall to wall shown every day on Fox News. Remember daily Sean Spicer, Sarah Huckabee, and Kayleigh McAnemy, would come out, all news channels would cut over to hear the words of wisdom from the white house. And they would take some very very soft ball questions like "Why is the President's dick so massive and permanent hard?" from Peter Ducey. And then walk off ignore any probing questions from anyone else.
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AvesPKS posted:I thought the 'line too far' for Santos was directly stealing from and perpetrating identity fraud on donors. Trump also did that. Only from small donors though.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Trump also did that. Only from small donors though. Yeah, it slipped under the radar when Trumps PAC was required to give back a fuckload of money because they were charging people’s credit cards without authorization. I expect that Trump still steals from his donors even with getting caught.
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The Islamic Shock posted:Donald Trump being alive is proof that God will not grant prayers made by the entirety of the US Congress. Trump is proof there is a hell and they're in here with us.
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Eregos posted:I was trying to think, what did George Santos do that was worse than Trump's equivalent behavior? My only answer so far is Trump didn't categorically make up his background. A surprising % of Republicans condemn Santos but not Trump, so I think this is a good discussion topic because it can encourage people to think. I'm wondering if anyone has an intellectually honest answer, though I haven't searched for discussion on it much. it was super embarrassing when he tried to "but they do it too" with a completely different crime that is de facto leagal: why didn't you just do that stuff george??? jesus gently caress ytrungo has to be the luckiest motherfucker in history. just a lifetime of being handed what he needs
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Trump was the President, a national office that gets elected by people from all across the country. Santos meanwhile was only elected by the great dipshits NY’s third district. Nobody else. Any congressperson going after Trump is going to have a bunch of people back home get pissed at them for it, because they voted for Trump. But the people of Podunk Falls, WY do not give a poo poo about George Santos ; NY 3rd district are probably a bunch of [slurs] anyway, why would Joe Glockenload care about them. Santos faced repercussions because it was easier and had fewer negative consequences. This isn’t some moral threshold thing, it’s because it’s easier to backstab someone at the same level in the hierarchy than it is to stab up.
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Also Trump defeated Hillary Clinton, the Republican Party's greatest nightmare boogeyman figure.
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Main Paineframe posted:If the judge meant to ban him from tweeting about the trial or publicly speaking about the trial, she would have specifically said so. That's assuming they'd actually fine him anything of substance. How many times did he violate a gag order or some other order from the judge in his current trial? And how much has he been charged in fines? And how much has been paid?
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Trump also did that. Only from small donors though. I can't find any evidence that Trump transferred donor money to his personal bank account.
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AvesPKS posted:I can't find any evidence that Trump transferred donor money to his personal bank account. He didn't from his political campaign. That is explicitly illegal and there is no evidence he did that. What he did do was set up his "election integrity fund" right after the 2020 election that was supposed to be used to investigate voter fraud and return him to office. That fund spent less than 6% of the money on anything related to voter fraud and the rest went into Trump's legal fees for other trials and funding public events. That isn't quite illegal, but his donors were basically fleeced into believing that donating to this fund would put Trump back in the White House and prevent Biden from taking office.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:That's assuming they'd actually fine him anything of substance. I think there were a couple receipts floating about that Habba has paid....something out of the trust. Maybe it was fines accrued in last year's legal woes? Not very much, in any case, compared to what he may someday "owe".
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mdemone posted:I think there were a couple receipts floating about that Habba has paid....something out of the trust. Maybe it was fines accrued in last year's legal woes? There was something about the special master not being notified about certain disbursements from the trust that were related to judgements or legal fees, IIRC. I think they were acceptable disbursements under the terms things are being handled, but it resulted in a change to some of the reporting to the special master to make sure stuff like that was included.
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Trump having a normal one in court today: https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/trump-defamation-trial/?id=106403966#106450941quote:"Mr. Trump has the right to be present here. That right can be forfeited and it can be forfeited if he is disruptive, which is what has been reported to me," the judge said. "Mr. Trump, I hope I don't have to consider excluding you from the trial."
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mdemone posted:I think there were a couple receipts floating about that Habba has paid....something out of the trust. Maybe it was fines accrued in last year's legal woes? It's part of a lawyers duty to keep their client out of jail. Failure to pay a court sanction would put the client into jail, so the lawyer typically deducts the sanction fee from their retainer and sends it to the court. Once the retainer escrow balance gets low, from both these fees and normal billing that the lawyer does for working on the case the lawyer then calls up the client and says "hey, you need to deposit another ten grand into the retainer."
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Cimber posted:It's part of a lawyers duty to keep their client out of jail. Failure to pay a court sanction would put the client into jail, so the lawyer typically deducts the sanction fee from their retainer and sends it to the court. "NO! Keep me out of jail, this is a witch hunt!!! " I can see how this puts his lawyers into a sticky position because they have a lunatic for a client.
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Kaplan is taking no poo poo in the Carroll trial. https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/trump-defamation-trial/?id=106403966#106450941 'You can't control yourself,' judge admonishes Trump At the lunch break, Judge Lewis Kaplan threatened to boot former President Trump from the courtroom if he continues to make side comments within earshot of the jury. The warning came after E. Jean Carroll's attorney Shawn Crowley complained for a second time about Trump's comments. "The defendant has been making statements that we can hear at counsel table," she said, quoting Trump as saying, "It is a witch hunt" and "It really is a con job." When a video of Trump disparaging E. Jean Carroll was played for the court, Crowley said Trump remarked, "It's true." Judge Kaplan, in response, addressed the defense from the bench. "Mr. Trump has the right to be present here. That right can be forfeited and it can be forfeited if he is disruptive, which is what has been reported to me," the judge said. "Mr. Trump, I hope I don't have to consider excluding you from the trial." "I understand you are probably very eager for me to do that," the judge added, to which Trump threw his up his arms and said, "I would love it, I would love it." "I know you would, because you can't control yourself in this circumstance," Kaplan replied. "You just can't." Rust Martialis fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Jan 17, 2024 |
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I wonder how Trump would like an all expenses paid vacation to the Islands for 48 hours? Island of Rikers.
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Trump got what he wanted out of attacking Engoron’s clerk. Lots and lots of national media coverage. He’s running the same playbook here. He wants to be gagged. He wants to be expelled. He wants to go on RWM with a new list of grievances. His old ones have gotten tired and worn and he’s losing peoples attention.
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Trump is not a fox playing 5-D chess from the Defense table. He's just mentally and physically incapable of refraining from throwing tantrums and striking back at anyone or anything that doesn't praise him as great. He doesn't care if his grievances are old hat or played out, he's still going to harp on them. We just live in a hosed up world where this narcissistic piece of poo poo somehow stumbled into media relevance while leading his own cult.
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No it's Habba engaging in the 5D chess https://twitter.com/innercitypress/status/1747703803468537972 https://twitter.com/innercitypress/status/1747720793629364454 zoux fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Jan 17, 2024 |
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What the gently caress are they even going over in that trial? He was convicted of doing the thing, convicted of liable, walked outside and on tape said the exact same illegal thing. How does any tweet at all come into play for the defense here?
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zoux posted:No it's Habba engaging in the 5D chess "That would be a good idea" 
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Judge Schnoopy posted:What the gently caress are they even going over in that trial? https://twitter.com/innercitypress/status/1747700715139502550
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Yeah, I've been following that thread and... uh... so was Habba's master plan to go "Ah hah! You deleted threats to your life and lied to your friends about feeling threatened!" and have the case thrown out of court?
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Randalor posted:Yeah, I've been following that thread and... uh... so was Habba's master plan to go "Ah hah! You deleted threats to your life and lied to your friends about feeling threatened!" and have the case thrown out of court? I think she wanted to prove Carroll was a liar because she said Montana was "Great" and "Not Boring". Both highly questionable statements.
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cr0y posted:Omg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx32b5igLwA But it is nice to know the train of bad lawyers defending Trump continues to roll, or rather wreck
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Reading that thread is like reading some weird nega-Matlock parody skit. I'm just a simple big city lawyer. Trump Legal Troubles: Trying To Read Out Loud A Document Not Yet In Evidence
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Gyges posted:Reading that thread is like reading some weird nega-Matlock parody skit. I'm just a simple big city lawyer. I know basically Jack and poo poo about the court process and even I know You Do Not Do This
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